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[ekrolo2]

How are there two Future Trunks timelines in the Android arc? Cell's FT timeline creates the unseen timeline and main FTs time travel creates the main timeline... but why are there two FT timelines to begin with?

The second Future Trunks was "born" from Cell influencing another time split. Future Trunks' visit to the alternate past was "established history" in the era Cell landed in. The original Future Trunks traveled to an alternate main cast while Cell never used those coordinates. Our Future Trunks breaks the scripting in his alternate future through knowledge & strength gained from our main cast (presumably, history would repeat itself by falling to Cell without those elements).

So, Cell's FT went to the unseen timeline and came back with the detonator for the Androids then Cell killed him and invented a new timeline by arriving prior to Future Trunks' first visit to the past?

[ABED]

Don't try to make sense of time travel

[Nejishiki]

How are there two Future Trunks timelines in the Android arc? Cell's FT timeline creates the unseen timeline and main FTs time travel creates the main timeline... but why are there two FT timelines to begin with?

The second Future Trunks was "born" from Cell influencing another time split. Future Trunks' visit to the alternate past was "established history" in the era Cell landed in. The original Future Trunks traveled to an alternate main cast while Cell never used those coordinates. Our Future Trunks breaks the scripting in his alternate future through knowledge & strength gained from our main cast (presumably, history would repeat itself by falling to Cell without those elements).

So, Cell's FT went to the unseen timeline and came back with the detonator for the Androids then Cell killed him and invented a new timeline by arriving prior to Future Trunks' first visit to the past?

I'll try to follow you: The original Future Trunks defeated No. 17 & No. 18 and was later killed by Cell in AGE 788. The second Future Trunks accomplishes the same tasks, only differently, & defeats all of his Artificial Humans. While the details are varied, the consistent takeaway is, "Future Trunks warns others about his alternate future, he returns & discovers a method to defeat the Artificial Humans, & Cell encounters Future Trunks years later". The vital split featured is the original Future Trunks' plan to travel one year before his original trip (I have my own idea for the motive) & our Future Trunks wishing to make a standard trip. Cell is the factor which causes trouble for everything due to influencing & splitting the original alternate past (if that makes sense, I tried to articulate that).

[Gog]

So you know how Cell has his own concept designs.
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Does any other character have one as well? And where can I see them?

[Lord Beerus]

So you know how Cell has his own concept designs.
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Does any other character have one as well? And where can I see them?

Here is Majin Boo's concept design art:
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As well as King Kai's:
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...Mr Popo's:
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...Mr Satan's:
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...SSJ3 Goku and Teen Gohan's:
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It's not too hard to find this stuff.

[Noah]

...SSJ3 Goku and Teen Gohan's:
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It's not too hard to find this stuff.

This one is my favorite, so Toriyama intended to have the tail back in the SSJ3 form, I wonder how he would do it? I would love to Goku get his tail back after so many years. About Gohan earlier concept I think it would be better if he had a haircut similar to the one he had in the Cell Games only changing to what we used to when he became "Mystic".

[kinisking]

Interesting to see that Toriyama was already plotting glasses back then. He also thought of having him look more like teen Gohan, interesting.

[Doctor.]

So why was future Zamasu and Goku paired up as opponents? This happened in the anime and it's happening in the manga again. I mean, everyone had a grudge against Black, everyone had a good reason to kick his ass, but Zamasu was just there and yet they insisted on pairing him with Goku as if future Zamasu gave any damn about him or vice-versa.

[kinisking]

So why was future Zamasu and Goku paired up as opponents? This happened in the anime and it's happening in the manga again. I mean, everyone had a grudge against Black, everyone had a good reason to kick his ass, but Zamasu was just there and yet they insisted on pairing him with Goku as if future Zamasu gave any damn about him or vice-versa.

Future Zamasu is Blacks team mate. If he's getting hurt, he'll jump in for obvious reasons. And if he jumps in someone has to stop him.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

So why was future Zamasu and Goku paired up as opponents? This happened in the anime and it's happening in the manga again. I mean, everyone had a grudge against Black, everyone had a good reason to kick his ass, but Zamasu was just there and yet they insisted on pairing him with Goku as if future Zamasu gave any damn about him or vice-versa.

I have to assume Toriyama wanted it that way for someone. Maybe he had it in his head that Vegeta was supposed to project his rivalry with Goku onto Black, but neither the Toei writers nor Toyotaro have capitalized on that. There definitely seems to be hints of that sprinkled throughout, and that would naturally pair Goku and Zamasu as opponents.

[Bansho64]

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I really love everything here but I'm specifically drawn the most towards the one with the baggy long sleeve shirt and the long shorts. That design in particular is a pretty awesome successor to the look Gohan had as a kid at the Cell Games. It's such a 90s design.

[kinisking]

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I really love everything here but I'm specifically drawn the most towards the one with the baggy long sleeve shirt and the long shorts. That design in particular is a pretty awesome successor to the look Gohan had as a kid at the Cell Games. It's such a 90s design.

Yeah, they're all great. It's nice to see that Toriyama always wanted to have Gohan wear glasses, instead of just throwing them on once he became a scholar to say "hey look I'm a scholar now ". The biggest issue I had with the glasses is that it seemed like he was just making a stereotype out of Gohan, but if that isn't the case then I'm fine with them.

[Freeza9000]

I'm on the floor......

[TheUltimateNinja]

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I'm on the floor......

What's so funny about that picture?

[Noah]

What's so funny about that picture?

Everything.

[Gog]

She would absolutely have to inherit traits from Freeza as that's how basic biology works.

Basic biology does not work like that. Basic biology introduces dominant and recessive genes. If for example certain optical traits of Freeza are recessive and can be seen with his body it might be possible that she did just not inherit them. It is unlikely that with such a significant difference nothing can be seen but for a fictional character like Freeza those rules can very well be written like that.

(Needed too move the conversation too somewhere where it won't be off topic)

Your right, but here's the thing the gems on the chest, shoulders, arms, and legs are all traits that you can consider too be recessive. But the gem on the head, the lines going down the eyes and the tail, are absolutely not recessive as all Arcosians have them no exception.

Hell I don't even like the fact that she exists at all, as the hybrid between an Arcosian and a human is impossible, I don't like the fact that she literally has no traits similar too Freeza, something which is just plain unrealistic and her existence is technically bestiality, as Freeza and possibly the rest of his race consider everyone else to be lower life forms.

[Danfun64]

...there's not enough context there. What is gog talking about?

On another note, considering how bad the censorship of DBS on Toonami France/Boing is going, I have a question concerning Kai. Which broadcaster handled censorship better (for Kai 1.0), US Nicktoons, or Nickelodeon France? I have no idea if Kai 2.0 aired censored in France. It certainly didn't air censored in the US. The thing is, I heard that Nick France censored less than US Nicktoons did visually, but I'm curious if Nick France cut scenes like Toonami France/Boing is doing with DB Super; scenes which US Nicktoons retained (Not counting CW4Kids/Toonzai/Vortexx in this question).

[Gog]

...there's not enough context there. What is gog talking about?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37107 - This here should serve as the explanation for the context of the discussion.

[ABED]

as the hybrid between an Arcosian and a human is impossible

Arcosians was a term made up by the Ocean dub. Freeza's race has no name.

[Robo4900]

as the hybrid between an Arcosian and a human is impossible

Arcosians was a term made up by the Ocean dub. Freeza's race has no name.

Not only that, but "Arcosians" wasn't even the name of Freeza's race in the Ocean dub, it was some other race the Saiyans made a deal with at some point, possibly before they even met Freeza.