The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:48 am

apex_pretador wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:Future Trunks (without Genki Dama) from Dragon Ball Super runs a gauntlet.
1. SSJR Goku Black
2. Present Zamasu
3. Hit (filler arc)
4. SSJB KK Goku
5. SSJB Vegeta
6. Golden Freeza
7. SSJG from BOG arc
8. Beerus
9. SSJ Satan
10. Arale
Loses against every single one of them, except present Zamasu.
SSRage Trunks should easily beat Golden Freeza and SSGod Goku.
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MAX Power Mutenroshi runs the gauntlet (not survival):

- 22nd TB Krillin
- 22nd TB Goku
- Tambourine
- 22nd TB Tenshinhan
- 23rd TB Yamcha
- Drum
- Old Piccolo Daimao
Roshi clears with his moonbusting
Pre-Super Max Power Roshi has no speed feats, most of them can easily blitz him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ssbgoku » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:05 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:All fighters from the left are from current DBS episode.

Piccolo vs Cell [Super Perfect form].
Gohan [No Super Saiyan or Ultimate forms] vs Mister Boo.
Roshi [Full power form] vs Goku [BoZ].
Kuririn vs Freeza [1st form].
Piccolo
Can go either way
Don't know
Freeza one-shots
Well if we want to believe that Current SS gohan is any close to Ultimate Form from buu arc, then he has to be at the worst 3 times weaker then post rosat ss gotenks in base state, as even if he is as strong as post rosat base gotenks then Ultimate form self buu arc is 800 times stronger then that gotenks...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:30 pm

ssbgoku wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:All fighters from the left are from current DBS episode.

Piccolo vs Cell [Super Perfect form].
Gohan [No Super Saiyan or Ultimate forms] vs Mister Boo.
Roshi [Full power form] vs Goku [BoZ].
Kuririn vs Freeza [1st form].
Piccolo
Can go either way
Don't know
Freeza one-shots
Well if we want to believe that Current SS gohan is any close to Ultimate Form from buu arc, then he has to be at the worst 3 times weaker then post rosat ss gotenks in base state, as even if he is as strong as post rosat base gotenks then Ultimate form self buu arc is 800 times stronger then that gotenks...
No it isn't, he was getting destroyed by Buutenks who is only 2x stronger than Gotenks.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:18 pm

Freeza9000 wrote:Future Trunks (without Genki Dama) from Dragon Ball Super runs a gauntlet.
1. SSJR Goku Black
2. Present Zamasu
3. Hit (filler arc)
4. SSJB KK Goku
5. SSJB Vegeta
6. Golden Freeza
7. SSJG from BOG arc
8. Beerus
9. SSJ Satan
10. Arale
I suppose you mean Ssj Rage Trunks. If so:

1. SsjR Black Gokku (schythe) was stated to be the strongest character of the arc, Beerus and fusions aside. So, he wins.
2. Trunks stomps.
3. Hit kills him.
4. Close fight... I give this to Goku after a tough fight.
5. SsjB Vegeta (post training in the RoSaT) wins.
6. Trunks stomps.
7. Trunks stomps.
8. ...
9. :lol:
10. :lol:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ssbgoku » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:47 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
ssbgoku wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
Piccolo
Can go either way
Don't know
Freeza one-shots
Well if we want to believe that Current SS gohan is any close to Ultimate Form from buu arc, then he has to be at the worst 3 times weaker then post rosat ss gotenks in base state, as even if he is as strong as post rosat base gotenks then Ultimate form self buu arc is 800 times stronger then that gotenks...
No it isn't, he was getting destroyed by Buutenks who is only 2x stronger than Gotenks.
Yeah 1.5 or 2 times stronger then buu arc ss3 gotenks who is 8 times times ss gotenks. And ss3 goku is 2 times weaker post rosat ss gotenks in best case.

Please calculate it just simple math. Clarify me if i have it wrong

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:58 am

Present Piccolo vs ROF saga piccolo
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Post by Zamasu55 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:31 am

Ki Breaker wrote:Present Piccolo vs ROF saga piccolo
Present Piccolo? :shock:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:47 am

Zamasu55 wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Present Piccolo vs ROF saga piccolo
Present Piccolo? :shock:
How can we be sure?
How do we know he powered up significantly after that fight..
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
Freeza9000 wrote:Future Trunks (without Genki Dama) from Dragon Ball Super runs a gauntlet.
1. SSJR Goku Black
2. Present Zamasu
3. Hit (filler arc)
4. SSJB KK Goku
5. SSJB Vegeta
6. Golden Freeza
7. SSJG from BOG arc
8. Beerus
9. SSJ Satan
10. Arale
Loses against every single one of them, except present Zamasu.
SSRage Trunks should easily beat Golden Freeza and SSGod Goku.
Noah wrote:New matches:

MAX Power Mutenroshi runs the gauntlet (not survival):

- 22nd TB Krillin
- 22nd TB Goku
- Tambourine
- 22nd TB Tenshinhan
- 23rd TB Yamcha
- Drum
- Old Piccolo Daimao
Roshi clears with his moonbusting
Pre-Super Max Power Roshi has no speed feats, most of them can easily blitz him.
There is not a single reason to believe Trunks surpassed golden freeza. Maybe he could beat godku, maybe.

Roshi was able to observe fight of cell vs goku, which means he can observe all of them.
ssbgoku wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:All fighters from the left are from current DBS episode.

Piccolo vs Cell [Super Perfect form].
Gohan [No Super Saiyan or Ultimate forms] vs Mister Boo.
Roshi [Full power form] vs Goku [BoZ].
Kuririn vs Freeza [1st form].
Piccolo
Can go either way
Don't know
Freeza one-shots
Well if we want to believe that Current SS gohan is any close to Ultimate Form from buu arc, then he has to be at the worst 3 times weaker then post rosat ss gotenks in base state, as even if he is as strong as post rosat base gotenks then Ultimate form self buu arc is 800 times stronger then that gotenks...
You also said this on power levels thread. Could you tell me what you mean in simple words so I can understand?
Ki Breaker wrote:Present Piccolo vs ROF saga piccolo
Current piccolo stomps
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ssbgoku » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:48 am

apex_pretador wrote:
ssbgoku wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
Piccolo
Can go either way
Don't know
Freeza one-shots
Well if we want to believe that Current SS gohan is any close to Ultimate Form from buu arc, then he has to be at the worst 3 times weaker then post rosat ss gotenks in base state, as even if he is as strong as post rosat base gotenks then Ultimate form self buu arc is 800 times stronger then that gotenks...
You also said this on power levels thread. Could you tell me what you mean in simple words so I can understand?
That mean base gohan has al least be buu arc ss3 goku to be equal to ultimate gohan buu arc self as ss3 goku is at the best 48 times weaker then buu arc ultimate gohan.

Lets see first if base gohan is stronger then good buu. Also if rof piccolo was perfect cell(i cant see it) then rof ss gohan is at best buu arc gotenks level

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Post by apex_pretador » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:13 pm

ssbgoku wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
ssbgoku wrote:
Well if we want to believe that Current SS gohan is any close to Ultimate Form from buu arc, then he has to be at the worst 3 times weaker then post rosat ss gotenks in base state, as even if he is as strong as post rosat base gotenks then Ultimate form self buu arc is 800 times stronger then that gotenks...
You also said this on power levels thread. Could you tell me what you mean in simple words so I can understand?
That mean base gohan has al least be buu arc ss3 goku to be equal to ultimate gohan buu arc self as ss3 goku is at the best 48 times weaker then buu arc ultimate gohan.

Lets see first if base gohan is stronger then good buu. Also if rof piccolo was perfect cell(i cant see it) then rof ss gohan is at best buu arc gotenks level
What? By my numbers, even mystic gohan is less than 3x SS3 goku from buu arc.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ssbgoku » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:46 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
ssbgoku wrote:
apex_pretador wrote: You also said this on power levels thread. Could you tell me what you mean in simple words so I can understand?
That mean base gohan has al least be buu arc ss3 goku to be equal to ultimate gohan buu arc self as ss3 goku is at the best 48 times weaker then buu arc ultimate gohan.

Lets see first if base gohan is stronger then good buu. Also if rof piccolo was perfect cell(i cant see it) then rof ss gohan is at best buu arc gotenks level
What? By my numbers, even mystic gohan is less than 3x SS3 goku from buu arc.
Really ? Please show me your number I am really curious how you can get to such conclusion, based on what ?

I mean, undeniable fact is that piccolo was in awe and feel comfortable when he was post rosat base gotenks turnning ss, and even if against fat buu ss3 goku was heavily holding back even to only 10% of his power, then base gotenks post rosat was mentioned to have a small chance against super buu while piccolo wasn't certain about pre rosat ss gotenks having chance, even if back them pre rosat ss gotenks was massively holding back. Assuming goku got stronger through buu saga until kid buu, at the most I can see:

post rosat ss gotenks ~ buu saga full power ss3 goku
ss3 gotenks = 8 x buu saga full power ss3 goku
ultimate gohan = 8 *1.5 x buu saga full power ss3 goku

See ?, even although I was being really nice and pushing it for goku, as most argue with post rosat base gotenks being close to ss3 goku from buu arc.
Sure in bog goku would get even stronger while gohan and gotenks most likely got weaker too,so he suprassed them somehow.

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:51 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
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apex_pretador wrote: Loses against every single one of them, except present Zamasu.
SSRage Trunks should easily beat Golden Freeza and SSGod Goku.

Roshi clears with his moonbusting
Pre-Super Max Power Roshi has no speed feats, most of them can easily blitz him.
There is not a single reason to believe Trunks surpassed golden freeza. Maybe he could beat godku, maybe.

Roshi was able to observe fight of cell vs goku, which means he can observe all of them.
SSRage Trunks surpassed rage boosted SSBlue Goku who could oneshot Golden Freeza by this point.

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Post by apex_pretador » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:34 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: SSRage Trunks should easily beat Golden Freeza and SSGod Goku.


Pre-Super Max Power Roshi has no speed feats, most of them can easily blitz him.
There is not a single reason to believe Trunks surpassed golden freeza. Maybe he could beat godku, maybe.

Roshi was able to observe fight of cell vs goku, which means he can observe all of them.
SSRage Trunks surpassed rage boosted SSBlue Goku who could oneshot Golden Freeza by this point.
Show me one single reason to believe why should SSB Goku one shot Golden freeza by that point, or even easily defeat him, other than "but he trained"
And SSB Goku was more powerful than trunks. Trunks and Vegeta combined did what Goku did alone against fused Zamasu.
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:42 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote: There is not a single reason to believe Trunks surpassed golden freeza. Maybe he could beat godku, maybe.

Roshi was able to observe fight of cell vs goku, which means he can observe all of them.
SSRage Trunks surpassed rage boosted SSBlue Goku who could oneshot Golden Freeza by this point.
Show me one single reason to believe why should SSB Goku one shot Golden freeza by that point, or even easily defeat him, other than "but he trained"
And SSB Goku was more powerful than trunks. Trunks and Vegeta combined did what Goku did alone against fused Zamasu.
The gap between Golden Freeza and Goku wasn't huge, Goku wasn't being totally outclassed, it's probably around the same gap as Kaioken x2 Goku vs Vegeta or 100% Freeza vs SSJ Goku (Serious).

And Goku got a boost when he did that, earlier he got destroyed by Scimitar Black who was being completely outclassed by Post-RoSAT Vegeta and was having a bit of a hard time with SSRage Trunks.

Also, Goku is now at least 10x stronger than he was at the U6 tournament since he is able to do to an even further improved, no longer holding back Hit what he was unable to do to a suppressed Hit with Kaioken.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:27 pm

Supreme Kai vs Cell Jr

Who wins that one? Give some reasons to. Not the usual "X" curbstomps.

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Bullza wrote:Supreme Kai vs Cell Jr

Who wins that one? Give some reasons to. Not the usual "X" curbstomps.
Supreme Kai wins, even without his magic powers. Supreme Kai should be below SSJ Cell Games Goku, who is around SSJ Buu Arc Gohan, but the gap wouldn't be as big as the gap between that same Goku and the Cell Jr. Also, Supreme Kai was stated to be far superior to Piccolo, both being on different dimentions, and I have Buu Arc Piccolo around Cell Games Trunks strenght (who is able to fight a Cell Jr).

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:44 pm

Bullza wrote:Supreme Kai vs Cell Jr

Who wins that one? Give some reasons to. Not the usual "X" curbstomps.
Supreme Kai curbstomps. He's far above Piccolo who should be close to the level of a Cell Jr. by this point, and he's inferior to SSJ Gohan but not by that much, Gohan could probably 2-3 shot a Cell Jr.

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Post by Bullza » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:00 pm

How do we know he isn't far off SSJ Gohan? He couldn't get out the Z Sword which SSJ Gohan did fairly easy.

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:10 pm

Bullza wrote:How do we know he isn't far off SSJ Gohan? He couldn't get out the Z Sword which SSJ Gohan did fairly easy.
He didn't die against Buu. Also, given that he's stated to be far above Piccolo he has to be close to Gohan, Cell Games Piccolo was already getting close to half, by this point Piccolo should be above 50% of SSJ Gohan.

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