Shoehorning GT after Super.

[Super Saiyan Ikari]

Having GT still be canon is completely impossible. If SSJ4 was canon and somehow stronger than SSGSS, then there's no explanation as to why Goku and Vegeta wouldn't have tried to go SSG or SSGSS after SSJ3 was too weak.

I may have heard this as fan theory but I've heard the idea that goku and vegeta eventually utilize all their power into their base forms (kinda like ultimate Gohan?). And a lot of people are speculating with the whole goku red aura thing in the new intro tieing into that idea (not saying that should be taking super serious, just a theory) .

so let's just say for arguments sake, they utilize their god ki in their base forms after this arc. Wouldn't be so weird to not see them trying to go blue later. I think it would work.

[successoroffate]

After the Universe Survival arc, some really bad shit happens as a result of the Tournament of Power, which is ultimately the result of Beerus and co. interacting with Goku and co.

Someone travels to the past, and makes sure Beerus doesn't wake up. Or, if he does wake up, he doesn't remember Super Saiyan God. Or, if he does remember, he doesn't pursue it. Regardless, Beerus never goes to Earth, no Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta never train with Whis, no Super Saiyan Blue, Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza, no tournament against Universe 6, no Zeno meeting Goku, no Zamasu wanting Goku's power, no Tournament of Power, no "really bad shit" resulting from it.

28th Tenkaichi Budokai eventually happens as usual, leading into GT.

Wait, If you remove the God ki and Bluper, There's no way Goku and Vegeta can defeat Golden Freeza on their own.

[Zephyr]

After the Universe Survival arc, some really bad shit happens as a result of the Tournament of Power, which is ultimately the result of Beerus and co. interacting with Goku and co.

Someone travels to the past, and makes sure Beerus doesn't wake up. Or, if he does wake up, he doesn't remember Super Saiyan God. Or, if he does remember, he doesn't pursue it. Regardless, Beerus never goes to Earth, no Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta never train with Whis, no Super Saiyan Blue, Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza, no tournament against Universe 6, no Zeno meeting Goku, no Zamasu wanting Goku's power, no Tournament of Power, no "really bad shit" resulting from it.

28th Tenkaichi Budokai eventually happens as usual, leading into GT.

Wait, If you remove the God ki and Bluper, There's no way Goku and Vegeta can defeat Golden Freeza on their own.

Nah, I accounted for Golden Freeza:

Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza

Freeza can't train and become Golden if Tagoma fails to summon Shenlong (via being killed by Goku or Vegeta), or if Freeza's revived chunks are vaporized again by Goku or Vegeta, before Tagoma can scoop em up and bounce. And hell, even if he manages that, they could always chase him down.

[TheUltimateNinja]

After the Universe Survival arc, some really bad shit happens as a result of the Tournament of Power, which is ultimately the result of Beerus and co. interacting with Goku and co.

Someone travels to the past, and makes sure Beerus doesn't wake up. Or, if he does wake up, he doesn't remember Super Saiyan God. Or, if he does remember, he doesn't pursue it. Regardless, Beerus never goes to Earth, no Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta never train with Whis, no Super Saiyan Blue, Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza, no tournament against Universe 6, no Zeno meeting Goku, no Zamasu wanting Goku's power, no Tournament of Power, no "really bad shit" resulting from it.

28th Tenkaichi Budokai eventually happens as usual, leading into GT.

Wait, If you remove the God ki and Bluper, There's no way Goku and Vegeta can defeat Golden Freeza on their own.

Nah, I accounted for Golden Freeza:

Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza

Freeza can't train and become Golden if Tagoma fails to summon Shenlong (via being killed by Goku or Vegeta), or if Freeza's revived chunks are vaporized again by Goku or Vegeta, before Tagoma can scoop em up and bounce. And hell, even if he manages that, they could always chase him down.

That's assuming Goku and Vegeta bother to go and find them instead of just ignoring it like everyone else.

[Zephyr]

It's definitely an assumption, but far from a problematic one.

[sintzu]

The GT we have and know won't be part of Super but I won't be surprised if they remake it when Toriyama's done to fit within Super's events.

[DragonBallLove]

Beerus, Whis and any other of the Gods die or they forbid Goku from contacting them.

This is perhaps the easiest one: BEERUS GOES TO SLEEP. AGAIN.

[UltimateHammerBro]

I think the easiest route would be pissing Zeno off. He/they decide that mortals aren't prepared to have the power of the Gods, then stripes Goku and Vegeta of their powers, and instructs Beerus and Whis to stay away from them. Beerus is incredibly tired after everything that's happened, then goes to sleep. I'm not sure of how Super fits chronologically, but I think we'd even have a couple of years to spare before EoZ.

Regarding Kaioshin and Kibito, it's just a matter of being creative: Zeno decides to punish them too, the de-fusion fails for some reason, it turns out the Potara fusion was too strong to be overcome forever... I don't know, you name it.

As for Pilaf & co. there's no issue at all: after seeing Goku isn't a God anymore, they think he's been totally depowered and decide to try to take over the world again. Then they gather the Dragon Balls, but they screw up the wording of their wish, and they become old again

Would it be entirely logical to shoehorn GT after that? Not really, but we've dealt with worse plotholes.

[Bryesque]

It definitely could be done, in any of the ways already outlined. It'd take a lot of forced retconning/reworking, but it could be done.

I can't really see it happening, though. Any way they could do it would diminish the events of Super, and Super as a series, for the sake of GT. And there's no reason for Toei to want to do that -- Super's already longer-running, is way more profitable, and is overall more liked and respected (or at least less controversial). Cutting the impact of their current series down for the sake of a maligned, shorter-running show from 20 years ago just makes no sense.

I can definitely see them reusing/remaking some elements from it, or at least continuing to use them for merchandise/games/etc, but as far as "canon" I think it's pretty much out for good.

[Ozotto]

- Wish from the Super Dragon Balls
- Zeno makes it happen /mind erase/ time rewrite
- Super is actually just a character dreaming, therefore never happened.

The possibilities exist.

[precita]

GT has no place in the main canon anymore. It's an alternate timeline/universe like the movies. Why can't people leave it at that?

[Gog]

After the Universe Survival arc, some really bad shit happens as a result of the Tournament of Power, which is ultimately the result of Beerus and co. interacting with Goku and co.

Someone travels to the past, and makes sure Beerus doesn't wake up. Or, if he does wake up, he doesn't remember Super Saiyan God. Or, if he does remember, he doesn't pursue it. Regardless, Beerus never goes to Earth, no Super Saiyan God, Goku and Vegeta never train with Whis, no Super Saiyan Blue, Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza, no tournament against Universe 6, no Zeno meeting Goku, no Zamasu wanting Goku's power, no Tournament of Power, no "really bad shit" resulting from it.

28th Tenkaichi Budokai eventually happens as usual, leading into GT.

Wait, If you remove the God ki and Bluper, There's no way Goku and Vegeta can defeat Golden Freeza on their own.

Nah, I accounted for Golden Freeza:

Freeza's resurrection is stopped immediately because Goku and Vegeta aren't gone, no Golden Freeza

Freeza can't train and become Golden if Tagoma fails to summon Shenlong (via being killed by Goku or Vegeta), or if Freeza's revived chunks are vaporized again by Goku or Vegeta, before Tagoma can scoop em up and bounce. And hell, even if he manages that, they could always chase him down.

But what says that they would do that? Piccolo was currently on Earth during that time and he didn't immediately teleport too where the dragon ball's where. And heck who's too say that they would have even bothered to check who was summoning Shenron, as what's even the chances of it being some alien entity trying to summon Freeza? And wouldn't Goku and Vegeta be training against each other as that's basically their whole lives now?

And even if Goku teleported too check on who the hell summoned the dragon why would he even bother killing the Freeza chunks? He doesn't pose even the slightest threat too him in any way. It's not like he can predict that Freeza has godlike training gains.

Super and GT just really cannot coexist together.

[spoiler]Also it's not my insane Freeza bias or anything for why I'm questioning you...[/spoiler]

[FoolsGil]

How are you going to make the Pilaf gang old again? If a proper explanation is provided, then yes, it's possible.

[UltimateHammerBro]

How are you going to make the Pilaf gang old again? If a proper explanation is provided, then yes, it's possible.

That's the easiest part. They decide to try to take over the world again, gather the Dragon Balls, summon Shenron, wish to become adults, screw up the wording of their wish et voilà

[Zephyr]

But what says that they would do that?

Nothing dictates that they would definitely do any of those things, that was me spitballing random ways that things could go differently by Goku and Vegeta being on Earth. Maybe Goku held onto the four star ball, because it reminds him of his grandpa? Maybe Sorbet decided not to bother, in light of that? Maybe he did, and Tagoma got killed? Maybe he was so desperate that he had the whole army attack just to get the Dragon Ball, and they failed miserably?

The sky's the limit. Introducing two new causal factors into the chain of events can alter history tremendously. That's the butterfly effect. That's why reconciling GT and Super this way is actually rather easy. It doesn't matter what specifically happened, it doesn't matter that a lot of stuff won't necessarily have happened. What matters is that a lot of things can now go very differently, and it takes a sliver of imagination to connect the dots and fill in the blanks.

Would it be really convenient for it to happen? Of course, but it's at home here. Something being improbable, implausible, or unlikely really shouldn't translate to it being "literally impossible". Especially in Dragon Ball.

[successoroffate]

How are you going to make the Pilaf gang old again? If a proper explanation is provided, then yes, it's possible.

Young Jiji (AF manga) has a viable explanation for that one: The wish granting them youth was: " Could you make us just a bit younger?" Because of the way Pilaf said "Just a bit" Pilaf and the gang were temporarily rejuvenated and in this way, they returned to their original forms..."