Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:28 am

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FortuneSSJ wrote:Talking about the bad schedule, the Gods still helped us with 3/4 weeks off during FT Trunks arc run to help the production. Bless them. :lol:
Though I believe they helped the production of the mid-Black arc, I don't think they particularly mattered in the long run sadly.
Without those weeks off I doubt episode 66 would have turned out as good as it did and all the off bits of the latter portion of the arc probably would have looked worse.
Every week off helps.
I believe they helped the buffer of the middle of the Black arc, but I feel like by the end the schedule was starting to catch up with them.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:35 am

JazzMazz wrote: I believe they helped the buffer of the middle of the Black arc, but I feel like by the end the schedule was starting to catch up with them.
Every week off helps improve the production as a whole (and animators certainly aren't given the whole time on that, there's also writers and storyboarders that are likely given some of the time), I think more than anything what hurt them in the end was their inability to obtain staff. The worst of the latter portion was still better than most of Super's worst and without those weeks off we probably would have been looking at much worse looking episodes.
What I imagine happens every time we get a week off is that they push the deadlines for future episodes for the writers and storyboarders up a few days each and give the last 2 or 3 days to the animators, so a week off would be beneficial to the production as a whole, but a single week off isn't something that we the viewers would notice much of a difference from, but instead each week off would have a cumulative effect on the show.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:45 am

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JazzMazz wrote: I believe they helped the buffer of the middle of the Black arc, but I feel like by the end the schedule was starting to catch up with them.
Every week off helps improve the production as a whole (and animators certainly aren't given the whole time on that, there's also writers and storyboarders that are likely given some of the time), I think more than anything what hurt them in the end was their inability to obtain staff. The worst of the latter portion was still better than most of Super's worst and without those weeks off we probably would have been looking at much worse looking episodes.
What I imagine happens every time we get a week off is that they push the deadlines for future episodes for the writers and storyboarders up a few days each and give the last 2 or 3 days to the animators, so a week off would be beneficial to the production as a whole, but a single week off isn't something that we the viewers would notice much of a difference from, but instead each week off would have a cumulative effect on the show.
I agree that taking weeks off does pile up to help the show, but I believe the problem is that they don't take enough weeks in bulk for it to particularly matter. The staff is always trying to catch up with itself instead of trying to be ahead, namely due to lack of pre-production, so unless we get a full month off the show in bulk, I don't think there will be a particularly noticeable effect in the output of the staff. Again, this is just my interpretation of what I've heard, so you can probably disregard them it if you know better.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:50 am

JazzMazz wrote: I agree that taking weeks off does pile up to help the show, but I believe the problem is that they don't take enough weeks in bulk for it to particularly matter. The staff is always trying to catch up with itself instead of trying to be ahead, namely due to lack of pre-production, so unless we get a full month off the show in bulk, I don't think there will be a particularly noticeable effect in the output of the staff. Again, this is just my interpretation of what I've heard, so you can probably disregard them it if you know better.
Multiple weeks at once would have a bigger effect, sure, but every individual week still helps the production improve bit by bit. As I said, the quality of the lower end episodes of the Future Trunks arc were pretty night and day with the lower quality episodes of previous arcs, and I'm sure part of that is because of all those weeks off in that arc. Every week they take off piles up and combined with the improvements we see from arc to arc I honestly think it will eventually (maybe even within the next year or two) lead to some semblance of normality for the show, since obviously weekly Dragon Ball isn't going anywhere with how well it's doing.

It doesn't help that they are also restricted by when Toriyama finishes his outlines, though it honestly feels like Toei and the Dragon Ball Room are taking more and more control as time goes by so that might not be an issue in the future, hell even if they continue to be restricted to Toriyama's outlines if this arc is on the air for a long time that will help Toriyama get ahead.

I'm eager to see more of this arc, we still don't have any very good indication of what state the production is in now, and we might not know until the actual tournament which could be months away. I still feel pretty good about this arc's quality being a nice step above what's come before.

Now where's my episode 81 image!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:05 am

Episode 81 image leaked!!! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
Feel free to correct me if I say something wrong.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by IGhostUlt » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:35 am

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Episode 81 image leaked!!! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
:D :D :D you almost got me there lol

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:09 pm

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Episode 81 image leaked!!! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
:x :thumbdown:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

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Shreyas_Singh wrote:Episode 81 image leaked!!! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
Why.. ;-;
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by kinisking » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:34 pm

Speaking of which, shouldn't the actual leak be available right now.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:40 pm

kinisking wrote:Speaking of which, shouldn't the actual leak be available right now.
Sometimes they come a bit late, some weeks we don't even get an image.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:45 pm

Jokes aside, who will supervise the Bergamo v Goku episode? Any idea?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by neolux » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:48 pm

I believe that in March, the 12th (in Japan) there won't be a episode so that sure will alleviate the schedule somehow, at least a tiny bit.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:56 pm

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Jokes aside, who will supervise the Bergamo v Goku episode? Any idea?
Episode 81 is Shimanuki, nobody else is listed but I imagine someone is with him. Sounds like the fight might go into 82 as well.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:34 pm

neolux wrote:I believe that in March, the 12th (in Japan) there won't be a episode so that sure will alleviate the schedule somehow, at least a tiny bit.
Every little helps. Even if it's just a week, Super can use all the extra time it could get.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:38 pm

Shreyas_Singh wrote:Episode 81 image leaked!!! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]

You actually got me there for a second :lol:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Mazingerdestro » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:03 pm

So my speculations of a break in order to assist the manga in surpassing the anime were correct.
Let's hope that by April the manga will be in the tournament of might.

Also some slow episodes like 17's back story could do wonders to the schedule. I predict that 2017 will be the year that the anime will finally have a steady schedule.

Can't wait for thexample next arc getting scripts and ideas from the manga.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by ArchedThunder » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:09 pm

I don't think we're getting an image this week.
Mazingerdestro wrote:So my speculations of a break in order to assist the manga in surpassing the anime were correct.
Let's hope that by April the manga will be in the tournament of might.

Also some slow episodes like 17's back story could do wonders to the schedule. I predict that 2017 will be the year that the anime will finally have a steady schedule.

Can't wait for thexample next arc getting scripts and ideas from the manga.
They're not taking a break to help the manga catch up, they're taking a single week off because the Nagoya Women's Marathon is airing that day.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by JazzMazz » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:37 pm

Just out of curiousity, has Ohara Tai'ichirou's quality of output gotten worse after his work on Z based on other series' his worked on? If not, I would really like to for him to do some cool stuff like he did during the Freeza arc, I really enjoyed his sense of timing there.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by iAnimationLover_ » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:02 am

JazzMazz wrote:Just out of curiousity, has Ohara Tai'ichirou's quality of output gotten worse after his work on Z based on other series' his worked on? If not, I would really like to for him to do some cool stuff like he did during the Freeza arc, I really enjoyed his sense of timing there.
Can you show me a vid of his work?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 78

Post by Shreyas_Singh » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:47 am

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
JazzMazz wrote:Just out of curiousity, has Ohara Tai'ichirou's quality of output gotten worse after his work on Z based on other series' his worked on? If not, I would really like to for him to do some cool stuff like he did during the Freeza arc, I really enjoyed his sense of timing there.
Can you show me a vid of his work?
Here's his scene from the android saga
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