Daizenshuu Question, Possibly Tough One

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:19 pm

In favor of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Shin Gohan in the anime:

Something else we have to take into consideration is the fact that the Northern Kaioshin was stronger than Kid Buu, but weaker than SSJ Gohan prior to receiving Rou Kaioshin's power up. I say this because the Northern Kaioshin was absorbed for being stronger than Kid Boo in the anime, but there weren't any Kaioshin capable of removing the Z-Blade (indicating that SSJ Gohan is stronger than the Northern Kaioshin). Because of this filler mistake, as well as the anime statement in which Goku claims Kid Buu is the strongest, we no longer have a basis of contrast between SSJ3 Goku and anybody else for the anime.

Meanwhile in the manga, Kid Buu just absorbed the Northern Kaioshin simply because he was strong, not stronger.

EDIT: And movie 13 doesn't prove squat. In movie 13 SSJ3 Goku can go full power, something he can't do in the manga and anime. Also, the DBs can only grant one wish in movie 13, showing it's not the same continuity as the anime or manga.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:30 pm

Dayspring wrote:In favor of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Shin Gohan in the anime: .

Wait.......Your not saying Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku is stronger than "Final Warrior" Gohan?

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:32 pm

Phenomenol wrote:
Dayspring wrote:In favor of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Shin Gohan in the anime: .
Wait.......Your not saying Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku is stronger than "Final Warrior" Gohan?

In the anime, yes. In the manga, hell no. They're portrayed differently in the two mediums.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:28 pm

No, I have the Dragonball Z original Japanese Audio DVD's and it does not say that Kid Buu is the strongest.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:57 pm

Dayspring wrote:Something else we have to take into consideration is the fact that the Northern Kaioshin was stronger than Kid Buu
...

Meanwhile in the manga, Kid Buu just absorbed the Northern Kaioshin simply because he was strong, not stronger.

Southern Kaio-shin.

Kaio-shin: "Two were killed quickly...The gods of the north and west...Then the strongest, the burly god of the south... ...was the next to go..."

Rou Kaio-shin: "...And Boo turned into that muscle man we just saw?"

Kaio-shin: "...Yes..."

Metrite · Post by **Metrite** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:19 pm

Phenomenol wrote:No, I have the Dragonball Z original Japanese Audio DVD's and it does not say that Kid Buu is the strongest.

In the scene after Goku and Vegeta crush the potaras what does Kaioshin say? What does Goku say just before turning ssj3?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:55 pm

Dayspring wrote:In movie 13 SSJ3 Goku can go full power, something he can't do in the manga and anime.

Well, he could've in the battle with Buu if he'd not wasted precious energy at the start so Vegeta could have a turn, this happening in the anime I believe.

Dayspring wrote:Also, the DBs can only grant one wish in movie 13, showing it's not the same continuity as the anime or manga.

Eh, I just assume they only get one wish because the events of the movie occur 6 months-to-a-year since the wish used to erase Buu from the memories of the regular Earthlings. With that logic, the Z senshi would then get only one wish because the power of the balls haven't gone through the full year process for both wishes to become available. Same thing happens with the wish to erase Buu's memories from the civilian Earthlings, the gang didn't feel like waiting the full year, so they did it prematurely to get at least one wish. When you take this into consideration, it isn't a plot-hole.

SaiyamanMS · Post by **SaiyamanMS** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:10 pm

Duo wrote:Aw, you make me feel special. I'd actually forgotten that I spell Boo/Buu different from most people. We could compromise and make it "Bou" or "Buo".

Kinda off topic... But: http://www.geocities.com/sato992/bou.jpg

And now, to actually add to the topic...

I feel that Kid Buu IS the strongest Buu, not in raw strength, but in his absolutely relentless nature. The other Buus actually put some thought into what they're doing, while Kid Buu is a mindless killing machine, and that's what sets him apart.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:13 am

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
Phenomenol wrote:
Dayspring wrote:In favor of SSJ3 Goku being stronger than Shin Gohan in the anime: .
Wait.......Your not saying Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku is stronger than "Final Warrior" Gohan?
In the anime, yes. In the manga, hell no. They're portrayed differently in the two mediums.

You two mind reading my post before accusing me of saying something I didn't?

Thanks.

As I said, plotholes in the anime make it so we have no basis of comparison between Shin Gohan and SSJ3 Goku, not that Goku was stronger.

Thanks to Tyro for pointing out my mistake; I'm always mixing up where he came from.

SaiyamanMS: And that's what we have confirmed by Kaioshin.

Conan: No he can't. It goes against the very nature of SSJ3. It's strongly hinted at by what we see both in SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku, only to be confirmed in the daizenshuu. Notice SSJ3 kills fusions and drops everyone into an exhausted state of non-SSJ anything.

As for the DBs, they reactivate with 3 wishes each time. You merely subtract 4 months waiting time for them to reactivate for each whish not used the previous time.

chibitrunks1987 · Post by **chibitrunks1987** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:05 pm

Goku is the strongest because after super buu absorbed gotenks he smothered gohan and if you remember when kid buu powered up goku said,"If he keeps going like this he'll be more powerful than before." Therefore since goku was even with kid buu that makes him stronger than mystic gohan and any form of gotenks

SaiyamanMS · Post by **SaiyamanMS** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:59 pm

Dayspring wrote:SaiyamanMS: And that's what we have confirmed by Kaioshin.

To tell the truth, the only reason I even bothered adding that to my post was to try and make the post half-relevant after I added the Bou thing. XD;;

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:51 pm

Dayspring wrote:As I said, plotholes in the anime make it so we have no basis of comparison between Shin Gohan and SSJ3 Goku, not that Goku was stronger.

There is no plotholes in the Anime.

"Final Warrior" Gohan fought Super Buu, Goku claimed Super Buu would destroy him.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:14 pm

Well, yes, those are in tact and prove the point. But the anime tends to add stuff to make Goku do more hero things for the Goku fanboys (which is apparently the majority of Japan at the time). And it's that additional crap that confuses people.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:32 pm

Anyone that gets confused is really watching the Dub version! Not the actual DBZ Anime.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:05 pm

Phenomenol wrote:Anyone that gets confused is really watching the Dub version! Not the actual DBZ Anime.

What? And the dub suddenly isn't anime? I'm no dubbie myself but I find that to be a rather ignorant assumption.

Let's go ahead and agree that we cannot compare them in the anime, but in the manga Gohan is clearly stronger than Goku.

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:18 pm

What?

Your completely contradicting the DBZ anime then if your saying that you don't know who is stronger than who.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:57 pm

In the Japanese anime, Goku says "Kid" Boo is stronger than any of the others. And in the anime, Goku fought "Super" Boo with Gotenks absorbed, as well as with Gohan absorbed. Therefore, in the anime, Kid Boo is the strongest. Ergo, Goku is stronger than Gohan (again, in the anime).

Phenomenol · Post by **Phenomenol** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:09 pm

In the anime Goku didn't say Kid Buu was the strongest, matter of fact I don't even see him commnting on Kid Buu's powers (only calling Kid Buu a moron).

Goku fought Gotenks Buu and utterly got his @#$ kicked. Goku did that to only STALL for time.

SaiyamanMS · Post by **SaiyamanMS** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:20 am

Phenomenol wrote:There is no plotholes in the Anime.

Yes, because we ALL know that Doctor Flappe created the Androids, Piccolo destroyed the ship Goku came to Earth in and Gohan can still turn Super Saiyan after Buu is defeated... >_>

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:40 am

Uh, even I will say that Goku outright said Chibi Boo was the strongest in the anime. The Narrator reiterates this in an opening as well. I watched the DVD just yesterday...and it's there. The Anime contradicts itself on that point. Old news? Not really. It's the reason so many believe Chibi Boo is supreme.

Kanzenshuu

Daizenshuu Question, Possibly Tough One

mystic gohan vs. ssj3 gotenks vs. ssj3 goku

Who is online