OmegaRockman wrote: The pronunciation issue isn't present when performing the attack, but talking about it in conversation. He says it the way Funimation used to, pronouncing it like the Hawaiian king's name. Again, not an issue when he's actually performing the attack, and I'm pretty sure it's a directorial issue on top of that.
Ah, I guess I missed him talking about it in conversation.
I thought everyone was referring to the big ol' Kamehame-Ha in the fight there. I derped, sorry!
ProjectAlpha22 wrote:The only thing are those yells, the pain yells are fantastic but the Bruce Lee noises make me feel like I started watching Kung Pow: Enter The Fist! Which isn't necessarily a BAD thing, but for Dragon Ball Super it doesn't work.
I dunno, I think you might be wrong about this. I get that the yells could probably use a bit of refinement at times but It feels like you're basically asking him to sound more conventional (or normal) and Goku is anything but that. To be honest, those Kenshiro/Bruce Lee-esque kiai are one of the few unique traits about his Goku, and I honestly didn't like the "ha!-hu-ha!" fighting noises he did early on as they sounded a little too tame, generic and unimpressive in comparison.
Maybe it's just me being a Kelamis fan but I enjoy the less conventional yells coming from Goku. Again, maybe Lang can refine his over time rather than getting rid of them completely.
ProjectAlpha22 wrote:The only thing are those yells, the pain yells are fantastic but the Bruce Lee noises make me feel like I started watching Kung Pow: Enter The Fist! Which isn't necessarily a BAD thing, but for Dragon Ball Super it doesn't work.
I dunno, I think you're wrong about this. I get that the yells could probably use a bit of refinement at times but It feels like you're basically asking him to sound more conventional (or normal) and Goku is anything but that. To be honest, those Kenshiro/Bruce Lee-esque kiai are one of the few unique traits about his Goku, and I honestly didn't like the "ha!-hu-ha!" fighting noises he did early on as they sounded a little too tame, generic and unimpressive in comparison.
Maybe it's just me being a Kelamis fan but I enjoy the less conventional yells coming from Goku. Again, maybe Lang can refine his over time rather than getting rid of them completely.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and if you enjoy it that's fantastic! I just feel that his Bruce Lee style yelling makes it harder to tell how much effort goes into the scream. It seems quite comical, especially when compared to the other yells in the series. Could it be refined and used? Eventually! But, I do think if they do stick around they are way too overused. Again, it's opinion. I would like to say to put it out there, generic isn't always bad. If it's common, chances are that there is a reason it sticks around.
ProjectAlpha22 wrote:I would like to say to put it out there, generic isn't always bad. If it's common, chances are that there is a reason it sticks around.
I get what you're saying but it's important to be mindful of one's own cultural bias. Western heroes obviously don't sound like that but Goku clearly isn't a western hero, he's a martial artist based heavily in East Asian culture. From that perspective, it makes sense for him to incorporate over the top battle cries as real life martial artists often did so for various practical reasons. It isn't just a movie thing and as you mentioned, there's a reason these things stick around.
Also, this dub isn't even intended for western audiences so there's really no reason for them to conform to western standards.
OmegaRockman wrote:The pronunciation issue isn't present when performing the attack, but talking about it in conversation. He says it the way Funimation used to, pronouncing it like the Hawaiian king's name. Again, not an issue when he's actually performing the attack, and I'm pretty sure it's a directorial issue on top of that.
Funimation doesn't even make that mistake anymore, do they? I thought they stopped that past 2003 or 2005 or something.
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OmegaRockman wrote:The pronunciation issue isn't present when performing the attack, but talking about it in conversation. He says it the way Funimation used to, pronouncing it like the Hawaiian king's name. Again, not an issue when he's actually performing the attack, and I'm pretty sure it's a directorial issue on top of that.
Funimation doesn't even make that mistake anymore, do they? I thought they stopped that past 2003 or 2005 or something.
I think it was Kai when they corrected it, but there may have been some video games that pronounced it right from before Kai that I don't know about.
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Definitely Lex's best performance as Goku yet, I am beginning to have hope it was a higher pitched voice than it has been and appropriate. Hopefully this improvement continues, as we could end up with two fantastic English Dubs if so
This dub has been improving a lot. Lex Lang is really getting the hang of Goku, although his screams need a lot of work. I would have preferred a Richard Ian Cox but overall his performance in the last 2 episodes has been fairly serviceable. Kaiji Tang and Ray Chase are also doing superb jobs as Vegeta and Piccolo respectively, although I still think Sabat does a better job. Beerus is still good, but not great, that said Jason Douglas is a tough casting to top.
Now if they continue to improve it will be nice to have two fantastic English dubs.
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Guys this episode had some serious sound issues, We were blaming lex for his yells but it seems like they are deliberately reducing volume (i don't know how else to put this but you guys get what i mean i guess) of sequences where they yell for example in today's episode you can clearly notice that beerus goku and mr.satan's normal speaking voice was much louder than the parts where they had to yell and also there was awkward echo effects (it almost sounds like they are screaming in empty room) !!! It's either fault from bang zoom's mixing department or its problem of the guy who is recording it, may be his equipment is not able to record certain audio correctly... I don't know who's fault it is exactly but if this is bang zoom's mixing error it really needs to be fixed soon...
hulkedoutdude wrote:Guys this episode had some serious sound issues, We were blaming lex for his yells but it seems like they are deliberately reducing volume (i don't know how else to put this but you guys get what i mean i guess) of sequences where they yell for example in today's episode you can clearly notice that beerus goku and mr.satan's normal speaking voice was much louder than the parts where they had to yell and also there was awkward echo effects (it almost sounds like they are screaming in empty room) !!! It's either fault from bang zoom's mixing department or its problem of the guy who is recording it, may be his equipment is not able to record certain audio correctly... I don't know who's fault it is exactly but if this is bang zoom's mixing error it really needs to be fixed soon...
It's been in since the start, it's either a really unfortunately bad effects chain or it's mixed in 5.1 and they play the echoed audio through every channel at a lower volume to keep it consistent, but somewhere in between mastering and the end capture it's only mixing down the front left and right channels. It's hard to imagine it being intentional, but strange things happen under tight schedules.
hulkedoutdude wrote:Guys this episode had some serious sound issues, We were blaming lex for his yells but it seems like they are deliberately reducing volume (i don't know how else to put this but you guys get what i mean i guess) of sequences where they yell for example in today's episode you can clearly notice that beerus goku and mr.satan's normal speaking voice was much louder than the parts where they had to yell and also there was awkward echo effects (it almost sounds like they are screaming in empty room) !!! It's either fault from bang zoom's mixing department or its problem of the guy who is recording it, may be his equipment is not able to record certain audio correctly... I don't know who's fault it is exactly but if this is bang zoom's mixing error it really needs to be fixed soon...
It's been in since the start, it's either a really unfortunately bad effects chain or it's mixed in 5.1 and they play the echoed audio through every channel at a lower volume to keep it consistent, but somewhere in between mastering and the end capture it's only mixing down the front left and right channels. It's hard to imagine it being intentional, but strange things happen under tight schedules.
Yeah there was but since this episode had more yells it was far too noticeable!!
Episode 12 was pretty relentless with the screaming. Overall I thought they did pretty well, it wasn't spectacular by any means (especially with the way the screams are mixed and muted a little bit) but I realize both actors had to pace themselves and treat it more like a marathon rather than a sprint so it's sort of understandable.
I'm starting to wonder if the odd mixing might be enforced by Toonami Asia in some way. Perhaps they don't want to risk scaring children with loud screaming so they tell them to lower the volume on purpose? Just a theory.
Interesting how they still kept the name "Satan City" despite the character being called Hercule. I imagine that would confuse new viewers.
NitroEX wrote:Episode 12 was pretty relentless with the screaming. Overall I thought they did pretty well, it wasn't spectacular by any means (especially with the way the screams are mixed and muted a little bit) but I realize both actors had to pace themselves and treat it more like a marathon rather than a sprint so it's sort of understandable.
I'm starting to wonder if the odd mixing might be enforced by Toonami Asia in some way. Perhaps they don't want to risk scaring children with loud screaming so they tell them to lower the volume on purpose? Just a theory.
Interesting how they still kept the name "Satan City" despite the character being called Hercule. I imagine that would confuse new viewers.
That was pretty funny, yeah, you think they would change that.
ProjectAlpha22 wrote:The only thing are those yells, the pain yells are fantastic but the Bruce Lee noises make me feel like I started watching Kung Pow: Enter The Fist! Which isn't necessarily a BAD thing, but for Dragon Ball Super it doesn't work.
I dunno, I think you might be wrong about this. I get that the yells could probably use a bit of refinement at times but It feels like you're basically asking him to sound more conventional (or normal) and Goku is anything but that. To be honest, those Kenshiro/Bruce Lee-esque kiai are one of the few unique traits about his Goku, and I honestly didn't like the "ha!-hu-ha!" fighting noises he did early on as they sounded a little too tame, generic and unimpressive in comparison.
Maybe it's just me being a Kelamis fan but I enjoy the less conventional yells coming from Goku. Again, maybe Lang can refine his over time rather than getting rid of them completely.
Again, it's all a matter of perspective! I enjoy this civil debate, though! Thank you for having it with me!
Fyi guys next Sunday they are starting back at episode 1, so looks like it could be a while until the Freeza arc. I have dropped the dub but am curious about Freeza so this kind of sucks.
I assume the dub is on a break because they haven't recorded much further, which would make sense (didn't Lex Lang say here they had done as far as episode 10? And onviously a little time has passed since then for them to record the next 3).
I hope Bang Zoom take their time with Freeza. I'm not expecting Chris Ayres to be topped, but having another solid English dub actor (if we'll never hear Lee Tockar) for the character would be nice.
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Fyi guys next Sunday they are starting back at episode 1, so looks like it could be a while until the Freeza arc. I have dropped the dub but am curious about Freeza so this kind of sucks.
For what's it worth the dub has gotten better. So it's still worth checking out.
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Fyi guys next Sunday they are starting back at episode 1, so looks like it could be a while until the Freeza arc. I have dropped the dub but am curious about Freeza so this kind of sucks.
For what's it worth the dub has gotten better. So it's still worth checking out.
Eh I don't really fancy rewatching the retellings for a third time tbh and by the sounds of it the script is still holding the dub back. I will almost definitely skip the Freeza retelling too, though I am really curious what they do with Freeza, they concurrently air Z so do they go for a Linda Young copy cat? And also wondering how the script for his lines will be too.
