"Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters" FUNimation English Dub Official Announcement and Discussion Thread

[Footlong Shoe]

I think it's obvious they aren't actually trying to convince people they never recorded for that scene, the video of the scene is undeniable evidence, but there's definitely a reason they can't talk about it, and they won't.

[thaman91]

Well if they signed a NDA, then it's understandable that they won't talk about it. Still, the fact remains that the episode with their recordings was officially & legally released on demand. It's a thing now whether FUNi will acknowledge it or not. Ultimately, Toei's misguided restrictions failed and were not quick enough. It'll be strange though to not have anyone talk about it when it was actually released (not even leaked).

[jelleline89]

So... the TFS guys are denying that they were ever supposed to be in that scene, which is obviously bullshit for a couple of reasons, and I don't know them to be liars. If it's important enough that they're being hushed about this, I wouldn't expect to hear them on the Blu-ray release.

It's obviously NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) mixed with Sabat telling them not to exacerbate the situation by confirming or denying things. That's all I can think of. We all know how Kaiser reacts to people mentioning Attack On Titan Abridged, right? So, who knows...

Concerning AoTA, Clifford Chapin flat out confirmed at a convention last month that FUNi had to shut that down immediately. It seems like if FUNi did nothing, it would jeopardize the relationship with Production I.G. or something which wasn't ideal. There was also the notion that unlike DBZ which was old and nostalgic, TFS was only abridging AoT because it was new and popular.

[jelleline89]

Well if they signed a NDA, then it's understandable that they won't talk about it. Still, the fact remains that the episode with their recordings was officially & legally released on demand. It's a thing now whether FUNi will acknowledge it or not. Ultimately, Toei's misguided restrictions failed and were not quick enough. It'll be strange though to not have anyone talk about it when it was actually released (not even leaked).

Not exactly. Same thing could be said for the Yamamoto score, which was originally public but now swept under the metaphorical rug. Even though it's on demand, it won't be seen by nearly as many people that were watching it on Toonami. Even if it's on YouTube, unless it becomes viral and word of it spreads fast, I don't see it getting as viewed as much as it would have been on TV or DVD.

I'm sure Sabat will try to appeal this before the DVD release, but if he can't get it by then, I don't see any official recognition for this being made. It's clear Toei doesn't want this, and FUNi ultimately has to respect what they want. Shrugs

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So... the TFS guys are denying that they were ever supposed to be in that scene, which is obviously bullshit for a couple of reasons, and I don't know them to be liars. If it's important enough that they're being hushed about this, I wouldn't expect to hear them on the Blu-ray release.

It's obviously NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) mixed with Sabat telling them not to exacerbate the situation by confirming or denying things. That's all I can think of. We all know how Kaiser reacts to people mentioning Attack On Titan Abridged, right? So, who knows...

Yeah this is very similar to the Douglas situation except Sabat can't try and cover this one up hence why he is quite too.

[matt0044]

So... the scene doesn't have any direct TFS references aside from the voice actors being highly recognized and the dialogue reference old Z dub dialogue mainly. Why did Toei get butthurt about using amateur VAs again? Do they despise TFS so much that hearing their voices make them break out in hives or something?

[Fionordequester]

So... the scene doesn't have any direct TFS references aside from the voice actors being highly recognized and the dialogue reference old Z dub dialogue mainly. Why did Toei get butthurt about using amateur VAs again? Do they despise TFS so much that hearing their voices make them break out in hives or something?

Well, they ARE illegally using their product, and presumably making at least some kind of money off of their videos. Would YOU like it if someone used your stuff without your permission? Like, if I owned a video game that was just sitting on a shelf somewhere, and suddenly, one of my little cousins stole it without asking my permission...I'd be a little miffed too. I don't care if it's getting more use with him than it ever got with me, that's still MY stuff, and he's still not respecting my property rights!

[mecha3000]

Does anyone think Funimation would be willing to redub the reenactment scene using the TFS script for the scene that never aired (except Xfiniti or whatever)? I think it'd at least be nice to reference TFS and their style of comedy but with the Funimation voice talent. Perhaps, they can even try to get the actors to imitate the TFS cast. (Don't know if Toei would allow Funimation to even use the TFS script, which is why I think it'd be best to stick as closely to the TFS scene as possible with some changes)

Or imagine if they were somehow able to get the ORIGINAL cast from the actual "HFIL"/"Next Dimension"/"Over 9000" days? Imagine Brian Drummond's famous OVER 9000 scene making it into the new Kai reenactment of Cell Games dub. It'd be an awesome replacement for the TFS dialogue and we'd still get the TFS script! I would hope this would happen because it'd be a nice nod to TFS and original classic dub fans, but I don't know if Funimation/Toei would ever be willing to get the old cast back OR even redub the scene in the first place. Still, like others have said - If you're not going to use the TFS version, at least REDUB THE SCENE ITSELF ON YOUR OWN, FUNIMATION!!! Not blaming Funimation though, this is most likely a Toei thing.

[Scsigs]

Well, they ARE illegally using their product, and presumably making at least some kind of money off of their videos. Would YOU like it if someone used your stuff without your permission?

Technically, the use of it is only illegal in Japan. Here in the US, which these guy operate in for YouTube as well as their own site, the fair use act protects them with using it as long as they don't directly profit off of the series. As long as they don't monetize the videos themselves, they're fine. They mainly make their money off of merch, patreon, convention appearances, & their Gaming channel, plus their website running ads on the sides of the videos, though that's just to be able to pay that off. They don't profit off of the episodes or movies themselves, just side stuff, & they follow U.S. law. I guess Toei doesn't like that they're legal under another country's laws.

[matt0044]

I wasn't talking about how TFS uses DBZ for their parody series so much as why the voice actors themselves weren't allowed to be in the recent Kai episode. It's not like Kaiser and Lani weren't in other products like Resurrection F- Oh wait!

[Fionordequester]

I guess Toei doesn't like that they're legal under another country's laws.

Or they don't know; Japan is much more mono-cultural in it's make-up than the U.S. is (a large part of why their media isn't as sensitive about racial stereotypes as ours is), so Toei may've just assumed that things work the same in America as they do in Japan.

[xXInfinite026Xx]

Apparently this is how the Team Four Star scene was supposed to go. Here's to hoping it will be on the Home release in April!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-HiOzcjJg&t=0s

[Dbzfan94]

Apparently this is how the Team Four Star scene was supposed to go. Here's to hoping it will be on the Home release in April!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-HiOzcjJg&t=0s

Not to be rude but this has been known for a few pages already. Thanks for sharing it again though!

[matt0044]

Apparently this is how the Team Four Star scene was supposed to go. Here's to hoping it will be on the Home release in April!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-HiOzcjJg&t=0s

Or at least a redubbed version with the same dialogue and overall goofiness. Would be a good middle finger to the higher ups.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Now that I've seen TFS' version I'm actually happy they didn't use it, the overuse of references made it unfunny.

[Fionordequester]

Or at least a redubbed version with the same dialogue and overall goofiness. Would be a good middle finger to the higher ups.

...And why would they want to give them the middle finger? I mean, they're not perfect, but they and FUNI still have a pretty good arrangement, what with Toei taking the time to look over and approve every change made to the FUNI scripts (and even celebrating the English dub of Battle of Gods! And having their VA's go to cons WITH the FUNI actors!). In other words...they've got themselves a pretty good relationship. FUNI would be foolish to jeopardize that, no matter HOW anal Toei is being.

EDIT: Besides, FUNI has also made some uh..."questionable" decisions regarding the franchise in the past. They're hardly in any position to criticize Toei; and I say that as someone who was literally inspired to learn composition by the Team Faulconer OST. They're my favorite anime soundtrack!

[Dbzfan94]

Now that I've seen TFS' version I'm actually happy they didn't use it, the overuse of references made it unfunny.

That's what I'm saying

[jelleline89]

Or at least a redubbed version with the same dialogue and overall goofiness. Would be a good middle finger to the higher ups.

...And why would they want to give them the middle finger? I mean, they're not perfect, but they and FUNI still have a pretty good arrangement, what with Toei taking the time to look over and approve every change made to the FUNI scripts (and even celebrating the English dub of Battle of Gods! And having their VA's go to cons WITH the FUNI actors!). In other words...they've got themselves a pretty good relationship. FUNI would be foolish to jeopardize that, no matter HOW anal Toei is being.

EDIT: Besides, FUNI has also made some uh..."questionable" decisions regarding the franchise in the past. They're hardly in any position to criticize Toei; and I say that as someone who was literally inspired to learn composition by the Team Faulconer OST. They're my favorite anime soundtrack!

Agreed. While they might get along with TFS, at the end if the day, it's Toei that's allowing them to make a business with DBZ, not TFS. FUNi would be shooting itself in the foot if it made a point to not alter the dialogue now that Toei has clued in on what it was trying to do.

I'm pretty sure after this, FUNi won't make such an obvious attempt to mix DBZA into their dubs again. While it might be cool of them to do, this is Toei's product and they obviously don't want a parody to be recognized officially by any means.

[Fionordequester]

Now that I've seen TFS' version I'm actually happy they didn't use it, the overuse of references made it unfunny.

Now uh...my spiel aside, I DO actually wish we could've gotten the TFS version. They DID overuse the memes, sure...but then, that's part of what made it brilliant. If you ARE a TFS fan, you're probably going to be ROFLing your butt off. But if you AREN'T a TFS fan, you're going to be cringing just as much as the characters in the show were...

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AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT BRILLIANT! It works on two levels! The video is SUPPOSED to be somewhat cringeworthy to the charactes, so if we're feeling their pain, that only enhances the scene! And besides that, I feel like they made better use of the animation than even the original version did (*cough* *cough* ACK! Uh, I'm alright! Keep rolling !)

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EDIT: If it seems like I'm going back and forth, it's because I'm looking at this as both a TFS fan, and someone who...at least attempts to understand how business works. I love TFS, but that doesn't mean Toei or FUNI are entirely in the wrong for not including them.

[AzuraRacon]

If they can't use it for the home release I at least hope they can squeeze in a redub

Maybe act it like a Power Rangers scene, where every thing is a little too over the top as apposed to everything being under acted

I'll take anything over recycling a 15 year old audio clip