the 4 universes who dont participate are just an excuse for toei being lazy

[gohan_black]

if they just promised to not be erased this still dosent mean they cant participate for the ''sport''. however. them being invited in the first place does mean something. toei created a bait for the fans. make us think were getting the most epic grandiose arc ever with hundred new characters. seems like we dont. toei is just lazy to make a lot of new characters. this is straight bullshit. I'm sorry. but it is

[TheMathemagician]

if they just promised to not be erased this still dosent mean they cant participate for the ''sport''. however. them being invited in the first place does mean something. toei created a bait for the fans. make us think were getting the most epic grandiose arc ever with hundred new characters. seems like we dont. toei is just lazy to make a lot of new characters. this is straight bullshit. I'm sorry. but it is

It seems more like you're using lazy simply because you don't like the way the story is going. Did you realistically think we were actually getting 120 new characters + Gods and their Angels and Kais? Most of those characters would probably have been throwaway no-named fodders that wouldn't get much screen time at all. This really isn't an excuse for being lazy.

[Pantheon]

1: it's Toriyama not Toei
2. 12 doesn't divide into a universe v universe tournament so it wasn't really possible to have 12 in a tradtional format anyway
3: This sets up plot threads that can be picked up on later and create story arcs that can let Super last a long time

I'm actually really happy with this development it makes the tournament seem like less of a finale and puts less of a burden on Toei when it comes to animating it.

[Boo Machine]

"To lazy to make a lot of characters"? It's still 8 whole universe worth of fighters, gods, and Kaioshins. That's not a lot to you? I dont know why some fans throw the lazy card out there just because they don't get what they want.

Did anyone actually expect to get 120+ new characters? Because that's just ridiculous on so many levels.

It's not lazy, it's a smart way to get rid of some fighters because, even if we did get all the universes, there is no way we would see every fighter, all their fights, and have our characters interact with them. That's a silly mess, and some universes would get eliminated off screen anyway. Which is something that will still most likely happen.

So are we really going to be missing anything if the furball universe doesn't participate?

It's so odd that we still get the possibility of 80 fighters alone and people would still cry out "NOT ENOUGH!"

[precita]

Also it's rather obvious the 4 best universes are also being saved for future story arcs. I don't know why anyone expected them to "blow their load" all at once. It was rather obvious some universes would be kept aside for more story material.

I don't get the logic of this thread.

[gohan_black]

"To lazy to make a lot of characters"? It's still 8 whole universe worth of fighters, gods, and Kaioshins. That's not a lot to you? I dont know why some fans throw the lazy card out there just because they don't get what they want.

Did anyone actually expect to get 120+ new characters? Because that's just ridiculous on so many levels.

It's not lazy, it's a smart way to get rid of some fighters because, even if we did get all the universes, there is no way we would see every fighter, all their fights, and have our characters interact with them. That's a silly mess, and some universes would get eliminated off screen anyway. Which is something that will still most likely happen.

So are we really going to be missing anything if the furball universe doesn't participate?

It's so odd that we still get the possibility of 80 fighters alone and people would still cry out "NOT ENOUGH!"

but the fact remains. toei promised 12 universe tournament. in all the promotional news and everywhere else. so they did created a bait. if they stated its a 8 universes tournament before. but they dident.

the promotional stuff was all about showing the biggest warriors that exist in the dragon ball multiverse. so now they telling us that the strongest universes with the strongest warriors wont be participating. I'm sorry but if you ask me. to make a 7 members team with weaklings VS making a 4 per team with the absolute strongest. you guys dont get it. its not about 4 universes less. its about the fact that those universes are the strongest.

it also seems like toei are so in mad love with goku and vegeta that they dont wanna makes any stronger fighters then them

Also it's rather obvious the 4 best universes are also being saved for future story arcs. I don't know why anyone expected them to "blow their load" all at once. It was rather obvious some universes would be kept aside for more story material.

I don't get the logic of this thread.

how do you know for sure that those universes would appear in the future? those are the strongest fighters that left out. this is the logic

[Boo Machine]

"To lazy to make a lot of characters"? It's still 8 whole universe worth of fighters, gods, and Kaioshins. That's not a lot to you? I dont know why some fans throw the lazy card out there just because they don't get what they want.

Did anyone actually expect to get 120+ new characters? Because that's just ridiculous on so many levels.

It's not lazy, it's a smart way to get rid of some fighters because, even if we did get all the universes, there is no way we would see every fighter, all their fights, and have our characters interact with them. That's a silly mess, and some universes would get eliminated off screen anyway. Which is something that will still most likely happen.

So are we really going to be missing anything if the furball universe doesn't participate?

It's so odd that we still get the possibility of 80 fighters alone and people would still cry out "NOT ENOUGH!"

but the fact remains. toei promised 12 universe tournament. in all the promotional news and everywhere elsive. so they did created a bait. if they stated its a 8 universes tournament before. but they dident.

It's not exactly a promise that makes or breaks the arc though. Especially since I'm still pretty sure that most of the universes would get eleminated off screen. Then we would be complaining about that.

If you want to be optimistic there is always the possibility that Zeno will involve them anyways to make things more exciting. Since anything he says goes and what not.

And no one said those 4 universe were strongest. They just said they had the highest quality of life, whatever that means. it's the powerlevel nuts who automatically took it to mean powerlevels and strength.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I think its great because it leaved four universe for possible villains without us wondering where the hell they were this arc.

[Pantheon]

it also seems like toei are so in mad love with goku and vegeta that they dont wanna makes any stronger fighters then them

We know that literally the opposite of this is true considering that Hit is stronger than Goku and Vegeta in the anime.
If anyone was going to do that it would be Toyotaro but Toei? no

[MrBlackFox]

I'm pretty sure that good universes will play a role anyway

What's the point of giving them names etc., only to get rid of them immediately?

Maybe not their fighters, but non-participating universes' gods are definitely going to do something
Maybe they'll decide to enter the tournament only for enjoy some good fights

Also, it's really really stupid to say Toei lied about 12 universes: do you seriously think they'd spoil this sort of detail from the starting?

[precita]

Calling Toei "lazy" when you have no idea how the story will play out is absurd. I'm sure every universe will have a role in the story at some point.

[MozillaVulpix]

I can't imagine how people ever expected them to show fights between 120 characters. Even if they were prepared to go that far...imagine how boring that would be! You'd be watching fights where we only know about 10% of the contestants beforehand. It'd be so hard to get an emotional connection to anything going on if we have to watch fight after fight between people we've never met before.

They were going to use shortcuts. That was inevitable. And this is probably one of the best they could have done right off the bat. It provides a new sort of theme to the tournament, as well. It has now become the "junk" universes fighting for their own existence.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I can't imagine how people ever expected them to show fights between 120 characters. Even if they were prepared to go that far...imagine how boring that would be! You'd be watching fights where we only know about 10% of the contestants beforehand. It'd be so hard to get an emotional connection to anything going on if we have to watch fight after fight between people we've never met before.

They were going to use shortcuts. That was inevitable. And this is probably one of the best they could have done right off the bat. It provides a new sort of theme to the tournament, as well. It has now become the "junk" universes fighting for their own existence.

Even 80 seems a bit too much. That's 40 fights at minimum.

[MozillaVulpix]

I can't imagine how people ever expected them to show fights between 120 characters. Even if they were prepared to go that far...imagine how boring that would be! You'd be watching fights where we only know about 10% of the contestants beforehand. It'd be so hard to get an emotional connection to anything going on if we have to watch fight after fight between people we've never met before.

They were going to use shortcuts. That was inevitable. And this is probably one of the best they could have done right off the bat. It provides a new sort of theme to the tournament, as well. It has now become the "junk" universes fighting for their own existence.

Even 80 seems a bit too much. That's 40 fights at minimum.

Oh, I'm very sure they're going to either make other fights happen off-screen, or only show us the very final moments of the final matches between universes that don't matter. Like what they did in Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. That had 16 teams with groups of 5. Not too different.

[Saturnine]

Oh ok, so you're getting 66% as many new characters as you were hoping you'd get, big fucking deal. Toriyama is soooo damn lazy, right?

When did you ever have an arc that introduced 80 new characters? Add the gods and angels and you're at 104, and add the gods and angels of the universes that won't be partaking and you're at 116.

Good luck adding another 40 characters on top of that and getting their designs "just right" and their backstories compelling. You are one ungrateful bastard.

[dragonballgeek]

if they just promised to not be erased this still dosent mean they cant participate for the ''sport''. however. them being invited in the first place does mean something. toei created a bait for the fans. make us think were getting the most epic grandiose arc ever with hundred new characters. seems like we dont. toei is just lazy to make a lot of new characters. this is straight bullshit. I'm sorry. but it is

Sounds like you're just looking for something to complain about.. Instead of complaining about not all universes being involved, look at it as a guarantee for future arcs after this one.

[ChronoTwigger]

This is clearly a click bait.

What on earth do you think that will happen the very moment after Beerus demostrate his universe is worth an elite status, and the others complaint?
Hell yeah, the other 4 come in.

I'm really tired of emotive sudden conclusions, this place is becoming no better than YouTube fandom.

[Nekis13]

"Toei is just being lazy using the tournament as an excuse to destroy all of the Universes except 7"

"Toei is being lazy by not making 4 of the 12 Universes participate"

This is becoming a problem, what are we? Youtube Comments?

[sintzu]

No, it's an excuse to have more story arcs in the future and a potential 3rd tournament between those 4 universes and universe 7. Toriyama is doing what fans have been wanting him to do, plan ahead.

[Booze Sama]

Wait, isn't Zen-oh meant to be changing his mind about the erasing rule due to Bergamo's plea? If he does, then the four universes could re-enter for exhibition purposes.