Plot Holes- The game!

[successoroffate]

Well, I've seen how popular those thread games are so I've decided to make my own one and see where it goes:
Rules?
1. I'll post a question or something I think is a plot hole.
2. A user comes in and gives his take on it.
3. Upon responding, user posts his own question or shares what he thinks is a plot hole.
Ready?

Question:
Freeza states in Planet Namek that Goku can't survive in space, but was that really the case? Can Goku (or Saiyans in general) breath in space? We saw Vegeta searching for Goku in Space with no breathing aid or something so, I don't see why Goku can't do the same. Putting aside the events of BoG.

[Dbzfan94]

Question:
Freeza states in Planet Namek that Goku can't survive in space, but was that really the case? Can Goku (or Saiyans in general) breath in space? We saw Vegeta searching for Goku in Space with no breathing aid or something so, I don't see why Goku can't do the same. Putting aside the events of BoG.

This seems fun! My answer:
Freeza was bluffing to make Goku believe he couldn't, because Freeza saw Bardock himself in space before he blew up Planet Vegeta.


Next:
Super Buu should have reverted back to Evil (Gray) Buu when Vegeta pulled Fat Buu out of his pod. Yet as we know Kid Buu was the result.

[floofychan333]

Question:
Freeza states in Planet Namek that Goku can't survive in space, but was that really the case? Can Goku (or Saiyans in general) breath in space? We saw Vegeta searching for Goku in Space with no breathing aid or something so, I don't see why Goku can't do the same. Putting aside the events of BoG.

This seems fun! My answer:
Freeza was bluffing to make Goku believe he couldn't, because Freeza saw Bardock himself in space before he blew up Planet Vegeta.


Next:
Super Buu should have reverted back to Evil (Gray) Buu when Vegeta pulled Fat Buu out of his pod. Yet as we know Kid Buu was the result.

XD, this is a great idea.
My answer to Dbzfan94: I guess Evil Buu was just a representation of the evil inside Majin Buu. Other than that there's really no explanation.

Next: Why does Ninja Murasaki randomly return in the Dr Flappe episode (filler, but still). Wasn't it already established that he was dead?

[Dbzfan94]

Next: Why does Ninja Murasaki randomly return in the Dr Flappe episode (filler, but still). Wasn't it already established that he was dead?

As far as I remember, it never showed him die. That filler episode is presumably what killed him.

Next: ....Trunks' hair in Super

[successoroffate]

Next: Why does Ninja Murasaki randomly return in the Dr Flappe episode (filler, but still). Wasn't it already established that he was dead?

As far as I remember, it never showed him die. That filler episode is presumably what killed him.

Next: ....Trunks' hair in Super

Toriyama forgot about it and no one in the Dragon Ball room had the balls to correct him? I wouldn't neither...

Vegeta's color pallet when he first appeared in the anime that inspired a rare action figure, Shades and Lightning or subsequent change in design?

[DragonBallLove]

Lack of information on Toriyama's intented palette for Vegeta (out universe), the shade of that planet's light (in universe).

Mine: how the effing crap did Yayirobe pierced his dragonball?

[Khin]

Mine: how the effing crap did Yayirobe pierced his dragonball?

The Dragon Balls aren’t unbreakable, while not directly stated, it has been implied throughout the original manga (Kuririn tried to destroy a Namek Dragon Ball before Gurd snatched them; Piccolo warned Gotenks about possibly destroying them in his battle against Evil Boo). According to Toriyama in the Super Exciting Guide, even if the Dragon Balls has a hole drilled on them or they get damaged, they will return back to normal after they disperse and return to being orbs.

• How do the Dragon Balls feel to the touch?
  I think they have the properties of a hard, natural resin. Even if a hole is drilled in them or they get damaged, after a wish is granted and they disperse, the damage disappears once they return to being orbs, and they become like new.

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Mine is a fairly known one and I would to see someone’s take on it: When Cell explained his origin to Piccolo, he said that they could have collected Trunks’ cells too (even showing a panel of Trunks killing Freeza and Cold). However, since everyone is dead in Cell’s timeline and that timeline’s Trunks even tried to return back to the present, Cell’s timeline shouldn’t have a Future Trunks as Goku should have been the one who defeated Freeza and King Cold.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Mine is a fairly known one and I would to see someone’s take on it: When Cell explained his origin to Piccolo, he said that they could have collected Trunks’ cells too (even showing a panel of Trunks killing Freeza and Cold). However, since everyone is dead in Cell’s timeline and that timeline’s Trunks even tried to return back to the present, Cell’s timeline shouldn’t have a Future Trunks as Goku should have been the one who defeated Freeza and King Cold.

It could be that there aren't 4, but 5 timelines and Cell isn't from the original timeline like we thought but rather from Timeline 2. It would be something like this:
Timeline 1: The original timeline. The Trunks of this timeline goes to Timeline 2 to warn them about the androids and Goku's heart virus.

Timeline 2: The Trunks of Timeline 1 kills Freeza & Cold and warns Goku and gives him the heart medicine. Goku gets the heart virus when he's supposed to, approximately a year before the androids arrive, but thanks to the medicine he is cured. However due to this he ends up participating in the battle with the androids instead of being taken away and gets killed, thus this timeline ends up being devastated by the androids much like Timeline 1. Either that or Goku somehow dies from the heart virus anyway.

The Trunks of this timeline travels to Timeline 3 much like the Trunks of Timeline 1, once he comes back he deactivates the androids, 3 years later Cell kills him and takes his time machine to travel to Timeline 5.

Timeline 3: In this timeline there's no Future Cell, so nobody trains in the RoSAT and they're all much weaker than in our timeline. Trunks finds the blueprints and Bulma uses them to build the remote Trunks uses to deactivate the androids.

Timeline 4: The Trunks from this timeline ends up traveling to Timeline 5 unknowingly since Cell arrived there even earlier than him, this is the Trunks we know.

Timeline 5: Our timeline.

[sintzu]

Super Buu should have reverted back to Evil (Gray) Buu when Vegeta pulled Fat Buu out of his pod. Yet as we know Kid Buu was the result.

Vegeta brings this up as well so we know Toriyama didn't forget about gray Buu.

What I think happened is that gray buu was just a weak version of kid buu and while fat buu was inside him he was getting his strength back so when fat buu is pulled out of him he has enough power to stay pink and maybe even be on super buu's level, just without a mind.

My question is regarding Cell, He said that as long as a part of his head isn't damaged he can survive anything yet we see it get damaged twice, once from Goku's kamehameha and the other when he blows himself up so how did he survive both times ?

[TheUltimateNinja]

My question is regarding Cell, He said that as long as a part of his head isn't damaged he can survive anything yet we see it get damaged twice, once from Goku's kamehameha and the other when he blows himself up so how did he survive both times ?

That part of his head survived when he blew himself up, that's how he was able to regenerate.

And he specified that as long as that part remained, he could regenerate from even microscopic pieces. This implies that if he still has a significant portion of his body left his core isn't necessary, so that would be how he survived Goku's Kamehameha.

[emperior]

Next: Why does Ninja Murasaki randomly return in the Dr Flappe episode (filler, but still). Wasn't it already established that he was dead?

As far as I remember, it never showed him die. That filler episode is presumably what killed him.

Next: ....Trunks' hair in Super

Toriyama forgot about it and no one in the Dragon Ball room had the balls to correct him? I wouldn't neither...

Vegeta's color pallet when he first appeared in the anime that inspired a rare action figure, Shades and Lightning or subsequent change in design?

About Trunks' hair part, if nobody really tried to correct him, I think it might have been due to Toriyama being mad with Toei at the time (he wanted to stop writing Super). By the way, if someone told him Trunks always had purple hair in the anime and Kid Trunks has too, Toriyama probably told them he doesn't care and to keep the hair blue.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The Red Ribbon Arc takes place only 8 months after the first hunt for the Dragon Balls, this is impossible since the Dragon Balls should remain inactive for another 4 months.

[successoroffate]

The Red Ribbon Arc takes place only 8 months after the first hunt for the Dragon Balls, this is impossible since the Dragon Balls should remain inactive for another 4 months.

We didn't know at the beginning how long they would remain inactive. Didn't we find out about it later?

[TheUltimateNinja]

The Red Ribbon Arc takes place only 8 months after the first hunt for the Dragon Balls, this is impossible since the Dragon Balls should remain inactive for another 4 months.

We didn't know at the beginning how long they would remain inactive. Didn't we find out about it later?

No, we were told about it in the very first arc.

[Vegetail]

The Red Ribbon Arc takes place only 8 months after the first hunt for the Dragon Balls, this is impossible since the Dragon Balls should remain inactive for another 4 months.

The wish was so ridiculously minor that Shenron decided "you know what? Fuck it. I'll come back early next time."

[TheUltimateNinja]

According to the new canon Trunks was always from 17 years in the future, but when he first comes to the past he clearly states that he's from 20 years in the future.

[Cipher]

According to the new canon Trunks was always from 17 years in the future, but when he first comes to the past he clearly states that he's from 20 years in the future.

I thought the old explanation was that when he first arrives, he's twenty years in the past, but says he'll return to help fight the androids and that the time machine takes eight months to charge (I can't remember where this eight-month figure comes up; if it's in his dialogue before he leaves or referenced somewhere else). So he'd be approximately seventeen years in the past for the bulk of the Cell arc.

[TheUltimateNinja]

According to the new canon Trunks was always from 17 years in the future, but when he first comes to the past he clearly states that he's from 20 years in the future.

I thought the old explanation was that when he first arrives, he's twenty years in the past, but says he'll return to help fight the androids and that the time machine takes eight months to charge (I can't remember where this eight-month figure comes up; if it's in his dialogue before he leaves or referenced somewhere else). So he'd be approximately seventeen years in the past for the bulk of the Cell arc.

That's no longer the case, under the new rules Trunks would have waited for a full 3 years rather than just 8 months.

[successoroffate]

According to the new canon Trunks was always from 17 years in the future, but when he first comes to the past he clearly states that he's from 20 years in the future.

I thought the old explanation was that when he first arrives, he's twenty years in the past, but says he'll return to help fight the androids and that the time machine takes eight months to charge (I can't remember where this eight-month figure comes up; if it's in his dialogue before he leaves or referenced somewhere else). So he'd be approximately seventeen years in the past for the bulk of the Cell arc.

Don't forget to put your own question if you like!

[Esfír Dedragón]

Mine is a fairly known one and I would to see someone’s take on it: When Cell explained his origin to Piccolo, he said that they could have collected Trunks’ cells too (even showing a panel of Trunks killing Freeza and Cold). However, since everyone is dead in Cell’s timeline and that timeline’s Trunks even tried to return back to the present, Cell’s timeline shouldn’t have a Future Trunks as Goku should have been the one who defeated Freeza and King Cold.

It could be that there aren't 4, but 5 timelines and Cell isn't from the original timeline like we thought but rather from Timeline 2. It would be something like this:
Timeline 1: The original timeline. The Trunks of this timeline goes to Timeline 2 to warn them about the androids and Goku's heart virus.

Timeline 2: The Trunks of Timeline 1 kills Freeza & Cold and warns Goku and gives him the heart medicine. Goku gets the heart virus when he's supposed to, approximately a year before the androids arrive, but thanks to the medicine he is cured. However due to this he ends up participating in the battle with the androids instead of being taken away and gets killed, thus this timeline ends up being devastated by the androids much like Timeline 1. Either that or Goku somehow dies from the heart virus anyway.

The Trunks of this timeline travels to Timeline 3 much like the Trunks of Timeline 1, once he comes back he deactivates the androids, 3 years later Cell kills him and takes his time machine to travel to Timeline 5.

Timeline 3: In this timeline there's no Future Cell, so nobody trains in the RoSAT and they're all much weaker than in our timeline. Trunks finds the blueprints and Bulma uses them to build the remote Trunks uses to deactivate the androids.

Timeline 4: The Trunks from this timeline ends up traveling to Timeline 5 unknowingly since Cell arrived there even earlier than him, this is the Trunks we know.

Timeline 5: Our timeline.

Here's my take on this: Toriyama messed up on his own rules on time travel. He basically thought of more timelines than usual.

There's no way Cell could have known about Trunks in the original timeline. Instead, the conversation with Piccolo should have been how during the fight between Goku, Frieza, and maybe King Cold, samples were *somehow* obtained from their race.

There should be at least four timelines: The Original Timeline in which Trunks dies after returning from an Unseen Timeline (where Trunks first created an alternate timeline. The unseen timeline is similar to what we see in the series up until the fight with Androids 17 & 18) in which he obtains blueprints that help him deactivate the Androids in the original timeline in 785.

Cell kills him in 788 and goes back to a year earlier than 764, forming the "History of Trunks Timeline", which is similar to the Original Timeline, but the difference is that in the end, Future Trunks kills Future Cell, instead of the other way around.

When Future Trunks went back in time, he created the Main Timeline, where most of the story takes place in the series. Both the Main Timeline and Unseen Timeline are similar in events but differ after the Androids severely beat up Vegeta, Piccolo, Future Trunks, and Tien Shinhan. It is when Cell begins to absorb people that compels the Z-Fighters to focus their attention on him in the main timeline. We know nothing more about the Unseen Timeline except that Trunks from the original timeline never came back due to his death.

It may not be a question but a major plothole, besides the one you mentioned, is that there technically should be two Cells in the "History of Trunks Timeline", one that eventually challenges Future Trunks but gets killed and another from the original timeline, even though both are from the original timeline! The events should have been WAY different than what we saw...

Five Cells from four timelines. Think about that.

h/t to Qaaman'sLand.

P.S. I did make my own diagram on the timelines, but I'm terrible at making professional infographics and web animations since I have no talent. :/