Plot Holes- The game!

[successoroffate]

P.S. I did make my own diagram on the timelines, but I'm terrible at making professional infographics and web animations since I have no talent. :/

I'm adding a new one:
Why the hell did Cell introduce himself to Piccolo as his Brother?

[Black Hawk]

I'm adding a new one:
Why the hell did Cell introduce himself to Piccolo as his Brother?

I expect Cell wanted to appear ominous and perhaps even a bit creepy during his debut in order to convey "Hey, guys, you know that big threat you're already facing? Well, I'm an even bigger threat."

Plot Hole: In Dragon Ball GT, Vegeta states that he recognizes Baby's despicable Tsufurujin ki. The problem is that he couldn't sense ki until he picked up the ability to do so following the battle on Earth.

[RehBeh]

Plot Hole: In Dragon Ball GT, Vegeta states that he recognizes Baby's despicable Tsufurujin ki. The problem is that he couldn't sense ki until he picked up the ability to do so following the battle on Earth.

There's no explanation for this, it's a plot hole in it's purest of forms.

If the Super Dragon Balls were made by Zalama and the Namekians took a part of them to create their own, how Kami made his Dragon Balls?

[The Patrolman]

There's no explanation for this, it's a plot hole in it's purest of forms.

If the Super Dragon Balls were made by Zalama and the Namekians took a part of them to create their own, how Kami made his Dragon Balls?

I guess the same Dende brought them back by using the dragon statue.

Gohan didn't train for a seven year gap after Cell yet was still a considerably powerful SSJ2. But in Super it's only been a few months since Buu and he's lost his ultimate form and can barely go SSJ1.

[nato25]

There's no explanation for this, it's a plot hole in it's purest of forms.

If the Super Dragon Balls were made by Zalama and the Namekians took a part of them to create their own, how Kami made his Dragon Balls?

I guess the same Dende brought them back by using the dragon statue.

Gohan didn't train for a seven year gap after Cell yet was still a considerably powerful SSJ2. But in Super it's only been a few months since Buu and he's lost his ultimate form and can barely go SSJ1.

Yes I hate this Gohan thing. My head canon for it is that he still barely did any training in the Buu Saga (which doesn't really make sense as he's training with the Z-Sword seemed pretty tough) so that just kind of stacked on to the 7 years. Also I think Battle of Gods takes place roughly 4 years or so after Buu not months, and it's not hard to believe that Gohan literally did no training from the day all that Buu stuff happened until Battle of Gods. But that just makes it even worse because he goes Ultimate in BoG but Frieza is just a year later max and he can't even go SSJ1. I just don't know lol.

As for my own question, Vegito's clothes being the same when he fuses in the Trunks saga despite the outfits being different is a plot hole in my eyes. That's going against established lore that the outfits merge together. No one please answer with Vegito has a predetermined look thing as that's obviously not the case, even the newest trailer for heroes has them merging in new outfits and getting a new resultant one. I also hate the Trunks hair colour thing but that's already been said.

[successoroffate]

There's no explanation for this, it's a plot hole in it's purest of forms.

If the Super Dragon Balls were made by Zalama and the Namekians took a part of them to create their own, how Kami made his Dragon Balls?

I guess the same Dende brought them back by using the dragon statue.

Gohan didn't train for a seven year gap after Cell yet was still a considerably powerful SSJ2. But in Super it's only been a few months since Buu and he's lost his ultimate form and can barely go SSJ1.

Yes I hate this Gohan thing. My head canon for it is that he still barely did any training in the Buu Saga (which doesn't really make sense as he's training with the Z-Sword seemed pretty tough) so that just kind of stacked on to the 7 years. Also I think Battle of Gods takes place roughly 4 years or so after Buu not months, and it's not hard to believe that Gohan literally did no training from the day all that Buu stuff happened until Battle of Gods. But that just makes it even worse because he goes Ultimate in BoG but Frieza is just a year later max and he can't even go SSJ1. I just don't know lol.

As for my own question, Vegito's clothes being the same when he fuses in the Trunks saga despite the outfits being different is a plot hole in my eyes. That's going against established lore that the outfits merge together. No one please answer with Vegito has a predetermined look thing as that's obviously not the case, even the newest trailer for heroes has them merging in new outfits and getting a new resultant one. I also hate the Trunks hair colour thing but that's already been said.

I think the Vegito's clothes thing has to do with the mystic around the Potara fusion and character transformations design. Take Goku's SSJ 4 transformation and his magic pants that keep going back and forward. In other words, I don't want to think it was Laziness in design. I wouldn't go by the Heroes' trailer though.

From GT: Instead of fusing (Gogeta SS4), Bulma shouldn't use the Blutz machine on Vegeta and use it on Goku so he can beyond SS4 instead?

[Robo4900]

Given what we saw in the Baby arc, although it's a significant power boost, it's no-where near a 2x power boost. Given how close Goku and Vegeta have always been, making Vegeta a Super Saiyan 4 should in theory mean double the power of just having SS4 Goku fight. Then you have the fact that fusion isn't necessarily just a straight addition thing, it actually creates something greater than the sum of its parts, as proven when Goku and Vegeta are no match for Super Yi Xing Long after they un-fuse. Plus, transforming beyond Super Saiyan 4 would no doubt create problems. As it is, Goku quickly ran out of energy in SS4 form just after the fusion, aswell as not long after first achieving it in the Baby saga, so transforming even further would, in theory, be even more of an energy drain, and probably be too inefficient to be usable in battle, just like Super Saiyan 3 had always been.

From Dragon Ball: Why didn't Kami/Popo train Goku in the Room Of Spirit And Time?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Given what we saw in the Baby arc, although it's a significant power boost, it's no-where near a 2x power boost. Given how close Goku and Vegeta have always been, making Vegeta a Super Saiyan 4 should in theory mean double the power of just having SS4 Goku fight. Then you have the fact that fusion isn't necessarily just a straight addition thing, it actually creates something greater than the sum of its parts, as proven when Goku and Vegeta are no match for Super Yi Xing Long after they un-fuse. Plus, transforming beyond Super Saiyan 4 would no doubt create problems. As it is, Goku quickly ran out of energy in SS4 form just after the fusion, aswell as not long after first achieving it in the Baby saga, so transforming even further would, in theory, be even more of an energy drain, and probably be too inefficient to be usable in battle, just like Super Saiyan 3 had always been.

From Dragon Ball: Why didn't Kami/Popo train Goku in the Room Of Spirit And Time?

I'm not saying fusion is merely addition, but one guy with a power level of 100,000 would be infinitely more effective than 2 guys with power levels of 50,000.

Supposedly they did, Goku said he'd already spent a month in there.

[Robo4900]

I'm not saying fusion is merely addition, but one guy with a power level of 100,000 would be infinitely more effective than 2 guys with power levels of 50,000.

Well yes, that's another perfectly valid explanation. I think my larger point remains the same with this in mind, though; one guy at 100,000 is more than just 2 guys with 50,000, as there's no need to verbally coordinate anything, one of them won't just run out of power, their collective fighting knowledge and instincts are put together, etc.
I was trying to keep straight power levels out of it though, and talk about it in more of an OG Dragon Ball way, sort of like how Roshi would probably explain it during the training mini-arc before the first tournament arc, which I imagine would be along the lines of "Gogeta isn't just Goku and Vegeta's power haphazardly smashed together, he's all their fighting prowess, their knowledge, their techniques, everything put together into one being." But anyway, I'm sure you get the general idea of what I was going for.

Supposedly they did, Goku said he'd already spent a month in there.

I don't remember that.

I can come up with another one if necessary?

[TheUltimateNinja]

I don't remember that.

I can come up with another one if necessary?

Sure.

[Robo4900]

Okay...

The amount of in-universe time between the first and second wishes on the Dragon Balls is 8 months.

[successoroffate]

Okay...

The amount of in-universe time between the first and second wishes on the Dragon Balls is 8 months.

I think that was answered in the first page not sure..

[Robo4900]

I think that was answered in the first page not sure..

It was brought up, but no one actually gave it a proper answer.

[successoroffate]

I think that was answered in the first page not sure..

It was brought up, but no one actually gave it a proper answer.

No logical explanation, sounds like they forgot or just said "No one is going to notice in 20 years. There is no timeline or anything...yet"

I'll try another GT one:

Why didn't Bebi turn SSJ4? He saw Goku do it, he was already in his Golden Oozaru form so, why not?
However, I do not see Goku winning against SSJ 4 Bebi Vegeta. Maybe having Bebi turn SSJ4 would have given more life to GT, who knows?

[Black Hawk]

Why didn't Bebi turn SSJ4? He saw Goku do it, he was already in his Golden Oozaru form so, why not?
However, I do not see Goku winning against SSJ 4 Bebi Vegeta. Maybe having Bebi turn SSJ4 would have given more life to GT, who knows?

Vegeta suggested to Bulma that he did not become a Super Saiyajin 4 while under Baby's control because, due to Baby being within his body at the time, he was not a pure-blooded Saiyajin. I have personally never been satisfied with this explanation; I have always reasoned that, because Vegeta was not consciously in control of his body at all (and, by extension, could not gain rational control of himself as a Golden Ōzaru, a requirement for becoming a Super Saiyajin 4), there never was and never will be a feasible and believable way for Baby to become a Super Saiyajin 4. Dragon Ball Heroes, of course, could always just make him a Super Saiyajin 4 anyway.

I have already proposed a plot hole, so I will leave it to the next person to comment to do so.

[floofychan333]

Why didn't Master Roshi get to train with Kami-sama if he had surpassed Karin?

[Footlong Shoe]

Why didn't Master Roshi get to train with Kami-sama if he had surpassed Karin?

Karin determined he wasn't pure enough to train with Kami-sama, as seen by his not being able to ride on Kinto'un.

Let's go for a classic. How did Cell regenerate if his "nucleus" had seemingly been destroyed previously?

[Black Hawk]

Why didn't Master Roshi get to train with Kami-sama if he had surpassed Karin?

My memory must be rather hazy, because I don't recall the Turtle Hermit specifically surpassing Karin. May I ask at what point in the series this took place? I'm very curious.

[successoroffate]

Why didn't Master Roshi get to train with Kami-sama if he had surpassed Karin?

Karin determined he wasn't pure enough to train with Kami-sama, as seen by his not being able to ride on Kinto'un.

Let's go for a classic. How did Cell regenerate if his "nucleus" had seemingly been destroyed previously?

My explanation is that the nucleus is not only his brain but also part of his spine...the lower part specifically, the part that didn't get from Goku's Teleporting Kamehameha.

Question: When Buu Absorbed Vegitto, once inside they unfused. Was that Buu's doing or they ran out of time (based on what happened later with Vegitto Blue)

[Footlong Shoe]

When Buu Absorbed Vegitto, once inside they unfused. Was that Buu's doing or they ran out of time (based on what happened later with Vegitto Blue)

I could go the easy way and use Super's explanation, but I'll use someone else's theory that I really liked. When Vegetto was inside Buu, he was digested and broken down, in the same way food is broken down when eaten. I don't remember who mentioned this theory, but I thought it was a pretty good one.

Here's one that's always bugged the hell out of me. When Knito'un was shot with a rocket launcher by Colonel Silver, it survived. In fact, it was stated that Kinto'un could not be destroyed. A few years later, Kinto'un is destroyed by Tambourine, only this time, it's actually gone, and has to be replaced. How did Tambourine destroy the indestructible, or from a different angle, why did Kinto'un survive the rocket launcher?