Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

The Saiyan arc is not a complete arc. The Namek arc begins immediately where it left off with Gohan, Kuririn, amd Bulma going to Namek to use the Namekian dragon balls to restore their fallen friends. The end of the Freeza, Cell, and Buu arcs all have actual endings. With years passing between the next arc for a new beginning.

It is a complete arc. The threat is set up in the beginning, the middle is them training and the fight against the Saiyans, and the end is Goku and Kuririn letting Vegeta go after barely defeating him. Plenty of arcs, including DB arcs begin right where the last one left off. The timeskips aren't neccessary to signify the beginning of a new arc.

Vegeta was still technically under Freeza's rule (even if Mr. Toriyama hadn't thought of Freeza yet anymore than he hadn't thought of Androids 16,17, and 18 and Cell when starting the Android arc) until the Namek saga.

Vegeta wasn't under Freeza rule. He rebelled. Going after the DB's for himself was his rebellion.

Also pedantic, I know, but Vegeta doesn't fall with the tradition of the other 3 Z big bads having multiple transformations during their arc.

That's not pedantic. It's an irrelevant detail. Piccolo nor Piccolo Daimao transformed and they are still big bads.

[Bansho64]

I didn't find the scene with Zamasu trading bodies with Goku and destroying Goten and Chi Chi all that gruesome and scary. Idk, I wasn't as affected by it as a lotta others were. I ain't saying it's bad, but I didn't find it all that good either.

[Anime Kitten]

Design-wise, Universe Survival Gohan is the second-best Gohan (next to ROF). For some reason, I think he looks really cool with the orange gi and no bang, though I'm not sure why.

[Nejishiki]

Also pedantic, I know, but Vegeta doesn't fall with the tradition of the other 3 Z big bads having multiple transformations during their arc.

Spoiler:

For the record, Freeza was conceived during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai ac. I doubt his initial concept survived into what we have today though.

So when drawing Demon King Piccolo, were you thinking of ideas for the Freeza arc, or anything like that?
I didn’t think about that at all. Just handling Demon King Piccolo was more than enough to keep me busy. I suppose the first time I started thinking about the Freeza arc was probably midway through Ma Junior. The series was up in the polls, so I probably had a hunch that I wouldn’t be able to end it any time soon.

[ekrolo2]

Also pedantic, I know, but Vegeta doesn't fall with the tradition of the other 3 Z big bads having multiple transformations during their arc.

Spoiler:

For the record, Freeza was conceived during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai ac. I doubt his initial concept survived into what we have today though.

Did you have anything in mind for the final chapter when you started out?
No, I didn’t. Once you decide on the ending, then that influences you so that you can’t change course midway no matter what happens. I’ve always thought it’s best to leave only the ending undecided. I suppose it comes from my old gag manga habits, since with gag manga you don’t need to work out what will happen later down the road. I just figured it’d be fun to have it like Journey to the West, with the setting always changing, all sorts of different enemies popping up, different locations, etc. The characters fight, get stronger, and the story moves forward, that sort of thing.

I find this really interesting to think about when the Saiyan arc doesn't really give off the impression Vegeta has any kind of boss but maybe being Vegeta's boss wasn't something Toriyama thought of until later. He could've just originally been another space pirate akin to Vegeta but a lot more powerful instead of the leader of his own empire.

[ABED]

Vegeta always strikes me as the kind of guy that after he's chosen to rebel, he would think of himself as his own boss. He also doesn't strike me as someone to hide behind Freeza. What reason would he have for bringing him up during that arc?

[Dbzfan94]

The Saiyan arc is not a complete arc. The Namek arc begins immediately where it left off with Gohan, Kuririn, amd Bulma going to Namek to use the Namekian dragon balls to restore their fallen friends.

Yes it is a complete arc. That's what makes it good storytelling.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta always strikes me as the kind of guy that after he's chosen to rebel, he would think of himself as his own boss. He also doesn't strike me as someone to hide behind Freeza. What reason would he have for bringing him up during that arc?

His conversation with Nappa doesn't imply anything about using immortality to kill Freeza, I feel like that would've been a good place to at least hint at him wanting to use it for some other purpose. You can make the later stuff fit in but if Toriyama had Freeza in mind for the Saiyan arc, he doesn't really give off the impression of him remotely existing, much less the true objective of Vegeta's immortality.

I guess it could be the fact Vegeta isn't even the prince of Saiyan's until well into Namek that gives off the impression Toriyama didn't think of him until the very end of the Saiyan arc?

[The gr]

There's one DBS did better than DBZ,is the unique character abilities and moves,like zamasu, black, botamo,maguetta,hit and the trio of danger, because let's be real 98% DBZ characters is summed up in this word,he strong and he shoot ki blast and most of the battle in DBZ is also summed up in that word, mean while In DBS some of the fights take strategy,like take episode 80, that figth was amazing and entertaining because it took strategy to defeat an opponent

you may hate DBS,but this is one of the things that DBS did better than dbz,I'm hoping to see more of that in current arc

[ABED]

Vegeta always strikes me as the kind of guy that after he's chosen to rebel, he would think of himself as his own boss. He also doesn't strike me as someone to hide behind Freeza. What reason would he have for bringing him up during that arc?

His conversation with Nappa doesn't imply anything about using immortality to kill Freeza, I feel like that would've been a good place to at least hint at him wanting to use it for some other purpose. You can make the later stuff fit in but if Toriyama had Freeza in mind for the Saiyan arc, he doesn't really give off the impression of him remotely existing, much less the true objective of Vegeta's immortality.

I guess it could be the fact Vegeta isn't even the prince of Saiyan's until well into Namek that gives off the impression Toriyama didn't think of him until the very end of the Saiyan arc?

Aside from not having thought of Freeza, Vegeta's plans for immortality extended beyond killing one guy. I think he wanted Freeza's position at least as much as he wanted to kill Freeza. Killing Freeza was just one. And based on that one excerpt, I don't think Toriyama had thought of Freeza, just a vague idea of some overlord.

[mfwlegend3]

Regardless of how cliche it would have been, I would have rather Black been a creation of Zamasu's via the Super Dragon Balls. Zamasu could have wished for someone with the body based off of Son Goku, one who shared his ambitions, mind, and will. Also, to make sense of the "power-boast-once-pain-is-inflicted" ability that the anime gave him, Zamasu could have also wished for his Goku to have said ability. Making way for the possibilities of Black being stronger than the actual Goku.

The scene which showcased Black slaughtering Goku's family after the body-swap could have still played out, but a tad bit differently. Wanting to erase all traces and connection to the original Goku, Black and Zamasu could have ventured down to Earth and taken care of the embodiment of god's failure himself, along with his family. That fight with Goku would be Black's first boast in power.

Oh well.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Regardless of how cliche it would have been, I would have rather Black been a creation of Zamasu's via the Super Dragon Balls. Zamasu could have wished for someone with the body based off of Son Goku, one who shared his ambitions, mind, and will. Also, to make sense of the "power-boast-once-pain-is-inflicted" ability that the anime gave him, Zamasu could have also wished for his Goku to have said ability. Making way for the possibilities of Black being stronger than the actual Goku.

The scene which showcased Black slaughtering Goku's family after the body-swap could have still played out, but a tad bit differently. Wanting to erase all traces and connection to the original Goku, Black and Zamasu could have ventured down to Earth and taken care of the embodiment of god's failure himself, along with his family. That fight with Goku would be Black's first boast in power.

Oh well.

So... Future Zamasu would just be chillin in the Kaioshin realm... or...? I don't get why you think that your option would be better.

[mfwlegend3]

So... Future Zamasu would just be chillin in the Kaioshin realm... or...?

That's a flaw that I had thought of. Nevertheless, it's a fun little idea. I like the concept of a Kai, the God of Creation and opposite of God of Destruction, being the responsible for the creation of something that brings about destruction.

[King-K9]

The transformations should have stopped after Super Saiyan 4.
Super saiyan God is okay I guess
Super saiyan blue is just plain stupid
And the less I talk about super saiyan rage the better
The only new transformation I like is Super saiyan rose.

[Anime Kitten]

Super saiyan blue is just plain stupid
[...]
The only new transformation I like is Super saiyan rose.

How does this work, exactly? Rosé is just a "recolor" like Blue, isn't it?

[King-K9]

Super saiyan blue is just plain stupid
[...]
The only new transformation I like is Super saiyan rose.

How does this work, exactly? Rosé is just a "recolor" like Blue, isn't it?

Yes, but super saiyan rose works because:
1. It's exclusive to only one character
2. It's very unique in terms of story (It only being possible by having a Kaioshin take over a saiyan's body with God ki)
3. It made Goku Black even cooler (and he was already my favorite villain)

Super saiyan Blue fails because:
1. It makes no sense how Vegeta achieved it when he didn't even have god ki when training with Whis
2. In Resurrection F, Goku taunts frieza because of his stamina issues, but in the very next ark Goku has the same problem.
3. Again with Vegeta, if the form is supposed to be achieved through tranquility and fpcus, then how is vegeta able to use it when he is one of the least calm characters in the show?
4. The form only looks good if you wear it with certain clothing. When Vegeta is wearing black armor, it looks amazing, but in the blue armor it looks stupid.

[Bansho64]

Super saiyan blue is just plain stupid
[...]
The only new transformation I like is Super saiyan rose.

How does this work, exactly? Rosé is just a "recolor" like Blue, isn't it?

He never even used blue being a recolor as a reason for not liking it. Plus, he could just like the pink color more

[Anime Kitten]

He never even used blue being a recolor as a reason for not liking it.

I'm aware of that. I couldn't find any other reason for it to be considered "stupid" besides the "recolor" thing.

[MasenkoHA]

It should have stopped at just Super Saiyan tbqfh.

With what became "Super Saiyan 2" should have been exclusive to Gohan's hidden powers.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The whole Super Saiyan thing was ruined starting in the Cell arc and completely by the Buu arc at least SSGSS is bringing the uniqueness back part of the reason I love it, I would still prefer it if Goku was the only one to gain access to it but eh I'll take what I can get.