Question about the broadcast audio on the original "Dragon Ball"

[DB1984]

Unless I'm mistaken, all episodes of DBZ exist in the collector's circuit with the original broadcast audio. But what about the original Dragon Ball? Do all 153 episodes exist among collectors with the original broadcast audio?

[genjosanzo8]

From what i know only one person got 153 dragon ball broadcast audios they are just slightly better than the dragon box audios (but it is better) There is no way to got them anywere

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I can only tell you that I watched samples of random Dragon Ball episodes on youtube with pretty good broadcast audio. Hell only knows how many episodes of that quality are in fan's possession.

By the way, speaking about the broadcast audio on official releases, here is my message to people who have the audio: Why even talk to Toei or FUNimation? Just record it on HDD and send it to their headquarters! Give them some description and that's it.

There is also another thing I would like to write about the audio, but due to the fact that the original topic was locked (why? ), I will post it here:
Back in the days, I suggested that they could create pseudo 5.1 mix with the use of the original mono mix placed on the center channel. I was mostly bashed, ridiculed and laughed at. Not so long ago, I found an interview with Toei Audio Visual Art Center president himself, and here is what he told about it (concerns other anime show originally produced in mono):

オリジナルがモノーラルの作品でしたので、モノーラルをセンターチャンネルとし、効果音は5.1chで追加、その上にステレオの音楽をタイミングが合うように入れ直して、擬似的な5.1chの音声を作ることができましたが、かなり費用がかかりました。

Due to the fact that the original work was monaural, we made monaural as the center channel, added the sound effect with 5.1ch, then put the stereo music on top so that the timing matched, and could make a pseudo 5.1ch sound - It costed quite a bit.

I'm not as dumb as my avatar looks!

Here are the Dragon Ball videos:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6W4HOAua0
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_ZJyz-zhc
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdaZ43ywjZQ
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeM8-fFNIA0

[Robo4900]

I can only tell you that I watched samples of random Dragon Ball episodes on youtube with pretty good broadcast audio. Hell only knows how many episodes of that quality are in fan's possession.

Dragon Ball broadcast audio for 7 episodes exist in certain circles, and is in Chris Sabat's hands. The rest has yet to be uncovered. If you saw a clip, it was almost certainly either from those 7 episodes, or a sample Kei17 uploaded at some point before he disappeared. In the case of the four you linked, those were all originally uploaded by Kei. His channel went down a while ago, so what you're seeing there is a reupload.

By the way, speaking about the broadcast audio on official releases, here is my message to people who have the audio: Why even talk to Toei or FUNimation? Just record it on HDD and send it to their headquarters! Give them some description and that's it.

The logistics of that would be complex, and likely wouldn't work. It'd be nice if it was that simple, though.

There is also another thing I would like to write about the audio, but due to the fact that the original topic was locked (why? ), I will post it here:
Back in the days, I suggested that they could create pseudo 5.1 mix with the use of the original mono mix placed on the center channel. I was mostly bashed, ridiculed and laughed at. Not so long ago, I found an interview with Toei Audio Visual Art Center president himself, and here is what he told about it (concerns other anime show originally produced in mono):

オリジナルがモノーラルの作品でしたので、モノーラルをセンターチャンネルとし、効果音は5.1chで追加、その上にステレオの音楽をタイミングが合うように入れ直して、擬似的な5.1chの音声を作ることができましたが、かなり費用がかかりました。

Due to the fact that the original work was monaural, we made monaural as the center channel, added the sound effect with 5.1ch, then put the stereo music on top so that the timing matched, and could make a pseudo 5.1ch sound - It costed quite a bit.

I'm not as dumb as my avatar looks!

An interesting idea in theory. Probably quite difficult to manage, but it's been done with worse sources; one guy recently worked with the BBC on the surviving reel-to-reel tape sources for the '60s episode of Doctor Who, "Power Of The Daleks" to turn it into a 5.1 mix. They had all the original SFX and music still, so it worked. Since this stuff likely also exists for Dragon Ball, I'd say it's entirely possible, even with the poor-quality Dragon Box audio.
However, the Doctor Who example I'm referring to was a relatively high-budget DVD of 6x25-minute episodes, and was a special occasion as they had just created animation to replace the now-missing visuals they threw out in the '70s. Dragon Ball is 153 episodes, Z is 291. That makes a total of 444 episodes this would have to be done for. 508 if you include GT. It could be a very expensive and time-consuming job, and given Toei's attitude towards the technical side of Dragon Ball, aswell as in general*, I'm not sure they'd ever do this. Funimation might one day, but I wouldn't count on it.

*Boo Kai's video remastering; Dragon Boxes not being CC'd, or using GT's broadcast audio, or the film sources for the Hero's Legacy special, or the text scroll for episode 64; Toei's disinterest in Kei's broadcast audio; the Dragon Box remasters only being produced in standard def(Doing it in HD would have probably allowed Boo Kai to be produced in 4:3); and them never giving Funimation the good audio for GT or the movies; their HD "Remaster" of Digimon Adventure, which turned out to just be an upscale with a filter put on the standard-def footage to remove the dot crawl and rainbow arifacts. These are all examples of Toei not really caring about the technical side.

[genjosanzo8]

I can only tell you that I watched samples of random Dragon Ball episodes on youtube with pretty good broadcast audio. Hell only knows how many episodes of that quality are in fan's possession.

By the way, speaking about the broadcast audio on official releases, here is my message to people who have the audio: Why even talk to Toei or FUNimation? Just record it on HDD and send it to their headquarters! Give them some description and that's it.

There is also another thing I would like to write about the audio, but due to the fact that the original topic was locked (why? ), I will post it here:
Back in the days, I suggested that they could create pseudo 5.1 mix with the use of the original mono mix placed on the center channel. I was mostly bashed, ridiculed and laughed at. Not so long ago, I found an interview with Toei Audio Visual Art Center president himself, and here is what he told about it (concerns other anime show originally produced in mono):

オリジナルがモノーラルの作品でしたので、モノーラルをセンターチャンネルとし、効果音は5.1chで追加、その上にステレオの音楽をタイミングが合うように入れ直して、擬似的な5.1chの音声を作ることができましたが、かなり費用がかかりました。

Due to the fact that the original work was monaural, we made monaural as the center channel, added the sound effect with 5.1ch, then put the stereo music on top so that the timing matched, and could make a pseudo 5.1ch sound - It costed quite a bit.

I'm not as dumb as my avatar looks!

Here are the Dragon Ball videos:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6W4HOAua0
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_ZJyz-zhc
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdaZ43ywjZQ
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeM8-fFNIA0

Sabat got the audio that have leaked on the web
About the 5.1 i did the same with my audio , i've tried not so long time ago to do it with some ba and it make really good things, even if i didn't kept 6 channel i remove the voice then export
channel 1-2-3 for the left stereo
channel 3-4-5 for the right

then i sync the vocaless track with ba with a very very slight delay (around 2ms) to prevent bad render
then i export channel 1-3 on the left and 2-4 on the right

i know some people disliking this kind of things but if it pleased you it's the main things i do the same too

Vorige Waff did some experiment close to what i talk about and i like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQeW2pcloA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWVxbLCpNWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V72f30PeZyY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4so6sKzifw

about audio DB 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 (153 was already release by kei)
and dbz 1-291 (except 218 missing 10 first minutes) have been get by sneaky people from maakuo remaining db are only in kei's hand for what i know @robo if you watch kojiro link some are near the end of dragon ball....kei has them for sure now
DBGT reruns occasionnaly in stereo so it's not rare things

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Dragon Ball broadcast audio for 7 episodes exist in certain circles, and is in Chris Sabat's hands. The rest has yet to be uncovered. If you saw a clip, it was almost certainly either from those 7 episodes, or a sample Kei17 uploaded at some point before he disappeared. In the case of the four you linked, those were all originally uploaded by Kei. His channel went down a while ago, so what you're seeing there is a reupload.

I believe that's a common knowledge here

The logistics of that would be complex, and likely wouldn't work. It'd be nice if it was that simple, though.

Yeah, I know, but that's I would do, no matter what.

An interesting idea in theory. Probably quite difficult to manage, but it's been done with worse sources; one guy recently worked with the BBC on the surviving reel-to-reel tape sources for the '60s episode of Doctor Who, "Power Of The Daleks" to turn it into a 5.1 mix. They had all the original SFX and music still, so it worked. Since this stuff likely also exists for Dragon Ball, I'd say it's entirely possible, even with the poor-quality Dragon Box audio.
However, the Doctor Who example I'm referring to was a relatively high-budget DVD of 6x25-minute episodes, and was a special occasion as they had just created animation to replace the now-missing visuals they threw out in the '70s. Dragon Ball is 153 episodes, Z is 291. That makes a total of 444 episodes this would have to be done for. 508 if you include GT. It could be a very expensive and time-consuming job, and given Toei's attitude towards the technical side of Dragon Ball, aswell as in general*, I'm not sure they'd ever do this. Funimation might one day, but I wouldn't count on it.

*Boo Kai's video remastering; Dragon Boxes not being CC'd, or using GT's broadcast audio, or the film sources for the Hero's Legacy special, or the text scroll for episode 64; Toei's disinterest in Kei's broadcast audio; the Dragon Box remasters only being produced in standard def(Doing it in HD would have probably allowed Boo Kai to be produced in 4:3); and them never giving Funimation the good audio for GT or the movies; their HD "Remaster" of Digimon Adventure, which turned out to just be an upscale with a filter put on the standard-def footage to remove the dot crawl and rainbow arifacts. These are all examples of Toei not really caring about the technical side.

Bingo! I suggested it as a THEORY back then. Everybody who understands the production of audio tracks for movies knows that complete re-production of 444 x 24 min + 2 x 48 min (don't forget about the specials ) of audio material, while knowing the market, cost of production and Toei's mentality, is 100x more than absolutely impossible.

BUT!!!

If we speak about the movies only - chances are slightly bigger. Doing it for 16 individual works, 16 individual releases for properly high price it's not that impossible, especially if we know that they already did that with other shows.
The only thing we cannot estimate is if there would be a market for this kind of product. I guess Toei knows it better and that's why they didn't produce any releases since Dragon Box.

But still - this is just an old, cheap cartoon for kids. Making Hollywood blockbuster-like sound for it sounds more than crazy, no matter how we, fanatical fans, would enjoy it.
Or - let's gather up an army of audio/video engineers who are also fanatical fans of Dragon Ball, let's go to Japan and do all the restoration job just for food and housing

[SqueakyBoots]

By the way, speaking about the broadcast audio on official releases, here is my message to people who have the audio: Why even talk to Toei or FUNimation? Just record it on HDD and send it to their headquarters! Give them some description and that's it.

Well it is a few hundred episodes. It'd be nice to know whether or not they would actually do anything with it before going through all the trouble.

[Robo4900]

I believe that's a common knowledge here

Just answering OP's question.

If we speak about the movies only - chances are slightly bigger. Doing it for 16 individual works, 16 individual releases for properly high price it's not that impossible, especially if we know that they already did that with other shows.
The only thing we cannot estimate is if there would be a market for this kind of product. I guess Toei knows it better and that's why they didn't produce any releases since Dragon Box.

But still - this is just an old, cheap cartoon for kids. Making Hollywood blockbuster-like sound for it sounds more than crazy, no matter how we, fanatical fans, would enjoy it.
Or - let's gather up an army of audio/video engineers who are also fanatical fans of Dragon Ball, let's go to Japan and do all the restoration job just for food and housing

The reason Toei haven't done any releases since the Dragon Box is that they haven't had to. If someone wants to own the Dragon Ball animes in Japan, they buy the DBoxes. One release, no fuss, no idiotic "Seasons, Levels, Ultimate Uncuts, Seasons again, Dragon Boxes, Singles!" nonsense, just Dragon Boxes, and TV airings.

I'm not sure they'd want to do a new release unless they did it in HD, though. And even if they did, again, Toei don't really care about the technical side. I doubt they'd care about putting it in surround.

Well it is a few hundred episodes. It'd be nice to know whether or not they would actually do anything with it before going through all the trouble.

Plus, allegedly Toei flat-out said no to Kei when he first offered the audio.

[DB1984]

Wait a minute, you guys. I could have sworn more original broadcast episodes were in circulation. (i.e. episode 79, which had Fuji TV accidentally airing a Mission: Impossible episode, episode 28, an episode from the 22nd Tenka'ichi Budokai Arc, and an episode from the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai Arc) Clips from these were uploaded by Kei.

[genjosanzo8]

only kei have them and/or maybe his "tapes source" and/or close and really trustworthy friends of him

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Just answering OP's question.

It seemed like you were talking to me

The reason Toei haven't done any releases since the Dragon Box is that they haven't had to.

Yes! “No market” means “no need”.

If someone wants to own the Dragon Ball animes in Japan, they buy the DBoxes. One release, no fuss, no idiotic "Seasons, Levels, Ultimate Uncuts, Seasons again, Dragon Boxes, Singles!" nonsense, just Dragon Boxes, and TV airings.

I wouldn't mind having a fuss with idiotic and nonsensical Level sets

I'm not sure they'd want to do a new release unless they did it in HD, though. And even if they did, again, Toei don't really care about the technical side. I doubt they'd care about putting it in surround.

Don't worry - we will convince them to do it properly

Plus, allegedly Toei flat-out said no to Kei when he first offered the audio.

I am flat-out saying “no” to Toei. Shut up ant take it!

only kei have them and/or maybe his "tapes source" and/or close and really trustworthy friends of him

I wonder if kei17 is mad beyond help because of people who betrayed him and resigned from the “Original Broadcast Audio on the Official Release” project, or if he is still working on it by himself...
His Hi8/Betamax direct-Fuji TV recordings were probably the best source of Dragon Ball audio left on the face of Earth...

It's a shame that some people are full of shit... I can understand what people involved in projests like this feel: You work your ass off to make something happen, one idiot betrays you and everything falls apart. I experienced this before.