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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:10 am

emperior wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:Does anyone want to see my power levels for Future trunks / goku black arc?
I'm interested
Oh cool

M = million = 1,000,000
B = billion = 1,000,000,000
T = Trillion = 1,000,000,000,000
Q = Quadrillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000


Dragon ball super: Future trunks arc:


Part 1: Copy-vegeta arc
[spoiler]
  • SS3 Gotenks = 19 B (slightly weaker from BoG)
    Base goku/vegeta = 37 B (full power)
    Suppressed beerus = 42 B (movements restrained)
[/spoiler]

Part 2: The trip to past
[spoiler]
  • Future trunks = 320 M, SS2 = 32 B
    SS2 Goku = 3.7 T , SS3 = 14.8 T (not showing full power against trunks in either form)
    Zamasu = 2 T (more powerful than all kaioshins combined)
    Black (in the past) = 3.8 T , in future = 4.5 T (suppressed both times)
    Black (full power, base, post all zenkais) = 20 T
[/spoiler]

Part 3: The fight in future
[spoiler]
  • Mai = 7
    Future trunks (post training with vegeta) = 37 B, SS2 = 3.7 T, enraged = 37 T
    Future Zamasu = 35 T
    SSR Black = 1 Q
    SSB Goku / vegeta = 0.8 Q
    Future trunks (transformed) = 0.8 Q
    Merged Zamasu = 2 Q (initial) , 5 Q (powered up) , 1.3 Q (post beatdown from vegetto)
    Super vegetto blue = 16 Q
    Beerus = Over 20 Q
[/spoiler]


The universal survival arc:
(so far)



[spoiler]
  • Goku (highly suppressed)
    Base = 5 B , SS = 250 B
    Gohan (base) = 4.8 B , SS = 240 B
    Under poison = Rapidly decreasing
    Fat buu = 4 B, enraged = 6 B
    Basil = 1.6 B, full power = 2.6 B, drugged = 3 B
    Lavender = 3.4 B
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:38 pm

apex_pretador wrote:
emperior wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:Does anyone want to see my power levels for Future trunks / goku black arc?
I'm interested
Oh cool

M = million = 1,000,000
B = billion = 1,000,000,000
T = Trillion = 1,000,000,000,000
Q = Quadrillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000


Dragon ball super: Future trunks arc:


Part 1: Copy-vegeta arc
[spoiler]
  • SS3 Gotenks = 19 B (slightly weaker from BoG)
    Base goku/vegeta = 37 B (full power)
    Suppressed beerus = 42 B (movements restrained)
[/spoiler]

Part 2: The trip to past
[spoiler]
  • Future trunks = 320 M, SS2 = 32 B
    SS2 Goku = 3.7 T , SS3 = 14.8 T (not showing full power against trunks in either form)
    Zamasu = 2 T (more powerful than all kaioshins combined)
    Black (in the past) = 3.8 T , in future = 4.5 T (suppressed both times)
    Black (full power, base, post all zenkais) = 20 T
[/spoiler]

Part 3: The fight in future
[spoiler]
  • Mai = 7
    Future trunks (post training with vegeta) = 37 B, SS2 = 3.7 T, enraged = 37 T
    Future Zamasu = 35 T
    SSR Black = 1 Q
    SSB Goku / vegeta = 0.8 Q
    Future trunks (transformed) = 0.8 Q
    Merged Zamasu = 2 Q (initial) , 5 Q (powered up) , 1.3 Q (post beatdown from vegetto)
    Super vegetto blue = 16 Q
    Beerus = Over 20 Q
[/spoiler]


The universal survival arc:
(so far)



[spoiler]
  • Goku (highly suppressed)
    Base = 5 B , SS = 250 B
    Gohan (base) = 4.8 B , SS = 240 B
    Under poison = Rapidly decreasing
    Fat buu = 4 B, enraged = 6 B
    Basil = 1.6 B, full power = 2.6 B, drugged = 3 B
    Lavender = 3.4 B
[/spoiler]
These power levels are fucking nuts, quadrillions?

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:50 pm

What multiplier do you guys use for SSGod? Since Goku has to end up over SS3 Vegetto it has to be in the hundreds of thousands I imagine.

Also, do you think SSGSS is actually x50 whatever SSGods power is?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:38 pm

Dragon Ball Super list with two-base theory


MULTIPLIERS

Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 250x
Saiyan Beyond God – 10,000x
Super Saiyan God – 12,000x
Super Saiyan Blue – 12,500x


Battle of Gods Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 12,500,000,000
Super Saiyan God – 600,000,000,000

Vegeta – 45,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 4,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Enraged] – 45,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 10,000,000,000
Majin Buu – 4,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000,000
Gotenks – 235,000,000
Android 18 – 180,000,000
Trunks – 24,000,000
Son Goten – 23,000,000
Tenshinhan – 30,000
Kuririn – 10,000
Yamcha – 6,000
Chaozu – 6,000

Beerus – 100,000,000,000,000
Whis – 500,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Resurrection of Freezer Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 60,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God – 600,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 750,000,000,000

Vegeta – 60,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God – 600,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 750,000,000,000

Gotenks – 245,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,250,000,000

Son Gohan – 60,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,600,000,000
Tenshinhan – 32,000
Kuririn – 10,000
Muten Roshi – 2,500
Jaco – 1,500

Freeza Soldiers – 1,000
Sorbet – 4,000
Shisami – 25,000

Tagoma – 2,000,000,000
Ginyu – 2,500,000,000

Freeza – 10,000,000,000
Final Form – 600,000,000,000
Golden Form – 800,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Champa Tournament Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God – 800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken x10 – 10,000,000,000,000

Vegeta – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000
Saiyan Beyond God – 800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 80,000,000
Super Saiyan – 4,000,000,000

Majin Buu – 4,000,000,000
Piccolo– 2,000,000,000
Monaka – 10

Botamo – 20,000,000

Frost – 40,000,000
Assault Form – 80,000,000
Final Form – 2,800,000,000

Magetta – 3,500,000,000

Cabba – 75,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,750,000,000

Hit – 1,000,000,000,000

Beerus – 100,000,000,000,000
Champa – 95,000,000,000,000
Whis – 500,000,000,000,000
Vados – 505,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Trunks Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 10,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 25,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Enraged] – 1,800,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Power Up] – 2,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken – 5,000,000,000,000

Vegeta – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 1,250,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue [Post Training] – 2,500,000,000,000

Future Trunks– 90,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Power Up] – 1,000,000,000,000
Super Trunks – 2,000,000,000,000
Super Trunks [Power Up] – 2,500,000,000,000
Spirit Sword – 25,000,000,000,000

Vegetto – 40,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 50,000,000,000,000

Piccolo– 2,500,000,000
Son Gohan – 100,000,000

Zamasu – 8,000,000,000
Future – 800,000,000,000

Black Goku – 20,000,000,000
Present – 10,000,000,000
Full Power – 1,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose – 1,500,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose [Power Up] – 2,000,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Rose [Power Up] – 2,500,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu – 4,000,000,000,000
Full Power – 40,000,000,000,000
Giant Form – 20,000,000,000,000

Daishinkan – 1,000,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Universal Survival Tournament Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 3,000,000,000,000

Vegeta – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 3,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000

Majin Buu – 4,000,000,000
Piccolo – 3,000,000,000

Lavenda – 3,000,000,000

Basil – 2,400,000,000
Super Saiyan – 3,600,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:09 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote: These power levels are fuckIng nuts, quadrillions?
What's the problem? Beerus and fusions are the only ones who reach in quadrillions. SSB's are less than 1 quadrillion.
Remember we had 35-40 billion in buuhan already.
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:59 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:What multiplier do you guys use for SSGod? Since Goku has to end up over SS3 Vegetto it has to be in the hundreds of thousands I imagine.

Also, do you think SSGSS is actually x50 whatever SSGods power is?
I have SSGod at 50,000x.

And I really doubt SSBlue is 50x SSGod, it's impossible in the manga since with a single Zenkai SSJ2 Black goes from getting thrashed by SSJ2 Vegeta who is weaker than SSGod to wrecking SSBlue Vegeta.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:34 pm

MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 105x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 250x


Raditz Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 275

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 60,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 600,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 11,000

Dende – 250
Power Unlocked – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza – 530,000
Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 30,000

Gurd – 2,500
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,700,000

Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 120,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 11,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
Third Form – 1,575,000
True Form – 2,100,000
50% Power – 47,500,000
70% Power – 66,500,000
100% Power – 95,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000

Trunks – 2,300,000
Super Saiyan – 115,000,000

Vegeta – 2,000,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 16,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
King Cold – 90,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 100,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Kid Trunks – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 180,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 3,000,000
Super Saiyan – 150,000,000

Son Goku – 2,880,000
Super Saiyan – 144,000,000

Trunks – 2,500,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000

Piccolo – 100,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 20,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 50,000,000
Post-absorption – 75,000,000

Android 20 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 80,000,000

Android 18 – 180,000,000
Android 17 – 200,000,000
Android 16 – 240,000,000

Cell – 160,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 6,400,000
Super Saiyan – 320,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 480,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 672,000,000

Trunks – 6,200,000
Super Saiyan – 310,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 465,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 651,000,000

Piccolo – 200,000,000

Android 18 – 180,000,000
Android 17 – 200,000,000
Android 16 – 240,000,000

Cell – 240,000,000
Second Form – 320,000,000
Full Power – 400,000,000
Perfect Form – 450,000,000
Power Up – 600,000,000
Bulked Up – 750,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 37,500,000
Super Saiyan – 1,875,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,750,000,000
Injured – 1,800,000,000

Son Goku – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000

Vegeta – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Trunks – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Piccolo – 800,000,000
Android 16 – 240,000,000

Cell Juniors – 1,000,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,500,000,000
Full Speed – 1,875,000,000
Full Power – 2,250,000,000
Bulked Up – 2,750,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Trunks – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
3 Years Later – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Future Android 18 – 180,000,000
Future Android 17 – 200,000,000
Cell – 240,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 10,000,000,000

Vegeta – 35,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,750,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 4,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000
Ultimate – 25,000,000,000

Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 22,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,100,000,000

Trunks – 21,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,050,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 23,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,150,000,000

Gotenks – 200,000,000
Super Saiyan – 10,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 225,000,000
Super Saiyan – 11,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 22,500,000,000

Vegetto – 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,200,000,000
Android 18 – 180,000,000
Tenshinhan – 25,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 8,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 2,500

Grand Kaioshin – 7,500,000,000
Kaioshin of the South – 10,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the North – 2,000,000,000
Kaioshin of the West – 1,800,000,000

Rou Kaioshin – 1,500,000
Kibito – 20,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 1,500,000,000
Merged – 7,500,000,000

Babidi – 10
Pui Pui – 10,000
Yakon – 50,000,000
Dabra – 2,500,000,000

Pure Boo – 10,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 20,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 9,000,000,000
Evil Boo – 5,000,000,000
Good Boo – 4,000,000,000
Super Boo – 17,500,000,000
+ Gotenks – 40,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 42,500,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 50,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 5,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 12,500,000,000

Vegeta – 45,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 4,500,000,000

Son Goten – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Trunks – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000

Son Gohan – 25,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 4,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000,000
Oob – 50,000,000
Pan – 2,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:59 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:What multiplier do you guys use for SSGod? Since Goku has to end up over SS3 Vegetto it has to be in the hundreds of thousands I imagine.

Also, do you think SSGSS is actually x50 whatever SSGods power is?
I have SSGod at 50,000x.

And I really doubt SSBlue is 50x SSGod, it's impossible in the manga since with a single Zenkai SSJ2 Black goes from getting thrashed by SSJ2 Vegeta who is weaker than SSGod to wrecking SSBlue Vegeta.
What would you give the multipliers to the various versions of Super from the movies to the show to the manga?
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:09 pm

ekrolo2 wrote: What would you give the multipliers to the various versions of Super from the movies to the show to the manga?
Movies:
SSGod: 50,000x
SSBlue: 60,000x

Anime:
SSGod: 50,000x
SSBlue: 75,000x

Manga: This one's really difficult. Everything suggests that the God forms aren't that good. In the U6 arc there's the timeskip issue. In the current arc there's SSJ(2?) Black leapfrogging from below SSJ2 Vegeta to above SSBlue Vegeta, and then Vegeta getting a similar boost from training in the RoSAT. I suppose it would be something like this:
SSJ3: 150x
Vegeta's SSJ2: 250x
SSGod: 500x
SSBlue: 750x

SSBlue can be stretched to 15x SSJ instead of merely 10x if you assume SSBlue Vegeta was at quite a bit less than 10%, say 7% or so, and that he was a little bit stronger than SSJ Goku.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Noah » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:32 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Dragon Ball Super list with two-base theory

Universal Survival Tournament Arc

[spoiler]Son Goku – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 3,000,000,000,000

Vegeta – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000
Super Saiyan Blue – 3,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan – 12,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Even with the two-base theory you can't just have Goku, Vegeta and Gohan equal in Base
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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:45 am

MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 105x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 250x


Raditz Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 275

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000

Dende – 250
Power Unlocked – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 30,000

Gurd – 1,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000

Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,700,000

Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 120,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 12,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
Third Form – 1,575,000
True Form – 2,100,000
50% Power – 45,000,000
70% Power – 63,000,000
100% Power – 90,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Trunks – 2,100,000
Super Saiyan – 105,000,000

Vegeta – 1,850,000
Piccolo – 1,400,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 15,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
King Cold – 85,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 95,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Kid Trunks – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 170,000,000
Future Android 17 – 180,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 2,750,000
Super Saiyan – 137,500,000

Son Goku – 2,650,000
Super Saiyan – 132,500,000

Trunks – 2,300,000
Super Saiyan – 115,000,000

Piccolo – 90,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 18,750
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 12,500
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 40,000,000
Post-absorption – 65,000,000

Android 20 – 50,000,000
Post-absorption – 75,000,000

Android 18 – 170,000,000
Android 17 – 180,000,000
Android 16 – 210,000,000

Cell – 150,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 5,000,000
Super Saiyan – 250,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 375,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 525,000,000

Trunks – 4,800,000
Super Saiyan – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 360,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 505,000,000

Piccolo – 180,000,000

Android 18 – 170,000,000
Android 17 – 180,000,000
Android 16 – 210,000,000

Cell – 210,000,000
Second Form – 250,000,000
Full Power – 300,000,000
Perfect Form – 350,000,000
Power Up – 450,000,000
Bulked Up – 550,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000
Injured – 1,450,000,000

Son Goku – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000

Vegeta – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000

Trunks – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000

Piccolo – 720,000,000
Android 16 – 210,000,000

Cell Juniors – 900,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,250,000,000
Full Speed – 1,500,000,000
Full Power – 1,800,000,000
Bulked Up – 2,150,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 2,400,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Trunks – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000
3 Years Later – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Future Android 18 – 170,000,000
Future Android 17 – 180,000,000
Cell – 210,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 32,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,600,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 8,000,000,000

Vegeta – 28,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 3,200,000,000

Son Gohan – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,400,000,000
Ultimate – 20,000,000,000

Son Goten – 16,000,000
Super Saiyan – 800,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000

Trunks – 17,000,000
Super Saiyan – 850,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 19,000,000
Super Saiyan – 950,000,000

Gotenks – 160,000,000
Super Saiyan – 8,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 180,000,000
Super Saiyan – 9,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 18,000,000,000

Vegetto – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan – 60,000,000,000

Piccolo – 1,000,000,000
Android 18 – 170,000,000
Tenshinhan – 22,500
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 6,000
Dende – 3,000

Rou Kaioshin – 1,000,000
Kibito – 10,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 1,200,000,000
Merged – 6,000,000,000

Babidi – 10
Pui Pui – 8,500
Yakon – 40,000,000
Dabra – 2,000,000,000

Pure Boo – 8,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 16,500,000,000
Majin Boo – 7,500,000,000
Evil Boo – 4,500,000,000
Good Boo – 3,000,000,000
Super Boo – 14,500,000,000
+ Gotenks – 32,500,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 34,500,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 4,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 10,000,000,000

Vegeta – 36,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,800,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,600,000,000

Son Goten – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Trunks – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Son Gohan – 20,000,000,000
Mister Boo – 3,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,250,000,000
Oob – 40,000,000
Pan – 2,000,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:53 am

New list lowballing things as much as possible while still being somewhat reasonable, tell me what you think.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by emperior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:11 am

Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x
Super Saiyan (SSJ) - 50x
Super Saiyan 2 (SSJ2) - 100x
Super Saiyan 3 (SSJ3) - 400x
Super Saiyan God (SSG) - 9,000x
Super Saiyan Blue (SSB) - 10,000x
Super Saiyan Rosè (SSR) - 50x

Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 5
Potara = [(A+B)] x ???

Dragon Ball Minus


[spoiler]Jaco - 150
Bardock - 2,500
Gine - 1,000

Bardock (Last Stand) - 10,000[/spoiler]


Dragon Ball Z

Dragon Ball Super

悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”

What I consider canonical

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:54 am

ekrolo2 wrote:What multiplier do you guys use for SSGod? Since Goku has to end up over SS3 Vegetto it has to be in the hundreds of thousands I imagine.

Also, do you think SSGSS is actually x50 whatever SSGods power is?
I've got Super Saiyan God being around 650-700 times as strong as Super Saiyan 3.

As for you're second question....Meh who can say, it's a better guess than any other number at least.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:47 pm

MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 200x


Raditz Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 275

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,000

Dende – 250
Power Unlocked – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 30,000

Gurd – 1,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000

Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,700,000

Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 120,000
Merged with Nail – 1,200,000

Kuririn – 12,000

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
Third Form – 1,575,000
True Form – 2,100,000
50% Power – 45,000,000
70% Power – 63,000,000
100% Power – 90,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Trunks – 2,100,000
Super Saiyan – 105,000,000

Vegeta – 1,850,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 15,000
Kuririn – 12,000
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 4,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
King Cold – 85,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 95,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Kid Trunks – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 170,000,000
Future Android 17 – 180,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 2,750,000
Super Saiyan – 137,500,000

Son Goku – 2,650,000
Super Saiyan – 132,500,000

Trunks – 2,300,000
Super Saiyan – 115,000,000

Piccolo – 100,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 18,750
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 12,500
Chaozu – 5,000

Android 19 – 50,000,000
Post-absorption – 75,000,000

Android 20 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 80,000,000

Android 18 – 170,000,000
Android 17 – 180,000,000
Android 16 – 210,000,000

Cell – 150,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 5,000,000
Super Saiyan – 250,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 375,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 500,000,000

Trunks – 4,800,000
Super Saiyan – 240,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 360,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 480,000,000

Piccolo – 180,000,000

Android 18 – 170,000,000
Android 17 – 180,000,000
Android 16 – 210,000,000

Cell – 210,000,000
Second Form – 250,000,000
Full Power – 300,000,000
Perfect Form – 350,000,000
Power Up – 450,000,000
Bulked Up – 550,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,400,000,000
Injured – 1,100,000,000

Son Goku – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Vegeta – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Piccolo – 600,000,000
Android 16 – 210,000,000

Cell Juniors – 750,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,050,000,000
Full Speed – 1,200,000,000
Full Power – 1,500,000,000
Bulked Up – 1,800,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 2,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000
3 Years Later – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000

Future Android 18 – 170,000,000
Future Android 17 – 180,000,000
Cell – 210,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 5,000,000,000

Vegeta – 22,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,100,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 2,500,000,000

Son Gohan – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,000,000,000
Ultimate – 15,000,000,000

Son Goten – 12,500,000
Super Saiyan – 625,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Trunks – 13,000,000
Super Saiyan – 650,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Gotenks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan – 6,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 12,000,000,000

Vegetto – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000

Piccolo – 800,000,000
Tenshinhan – 22,500
Chaozu – 6,000

Kibito – 1,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 1,000,000,000
Merged – 4,000,000,000

Pui Pui – 10,000
Yakon – 30,000,000
Dabra – 1,600,000,000

Pure Boo – 5,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 11,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 4,500,000,000
Evil Boo – 2,500,000,000
Good Boo – 2,000,000,000
Super Boo – 10,000,000,000
+ Gotenks – 22,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 25,000,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 6,000,000,000

Vegeta – 28,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,800,000,000

Son Goten – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000

Trunks – 18,000,000
Super Saiyan – 900,000,000

Son Gohan – 15,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 2,000,000,000
Piccolo – 1,000,000,000
Oob – 25,000,000
Pan – 500,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:25 pm

Bullza wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:What multiplier do you guys use for SSGod? Since Goku has to end up over SS3 Vegetto it has to be in the hundreds of thousands I imagine.

Also, do you think SSGSS is actually x50 whatever SSGods power is?
I've got Super Saiyan God being around 650-700 times as strong as Super Saiyan 3.

As for you're second question....Meh who can say, it's a better guess than any other number at least.
That seems a bit high to me, but as long as it's considerably stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto I guess any number is fine.

50x seems way too large, there's nothing to suggest the gap is even 5x. I'd go with a small multiplier since otherwise Black's SSJ would be insanely inflated.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:39 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Bullza wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:What multiplier do you guys use for SSGod? Since Goku has to end up over SS3 Vegetto it has to be in the hundreds of thousands I imagine.

Also, do you think SSGSS is actually x50 whatever SSGods power is?
I've got Super Saiyan God being around 650-700 times as strong as Super Saiyan 3.

As for you're second question....Meh who can say, it's a better guess than any other number at least.
That seems a bit high to me, but as long as it's considerably stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto I guess any number is fine.

50x seems way too large, there's nothing to suggest the gap is even 5x. I'd go with a small multiplier since otherwise Black's SSJ would be insanely inflated.
It'd be too low if we went by the anime.

I just went with Base Vegito being insignificantly stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. So Super Saiyan 3 Vegito would be comfortably over 400 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku already and Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger still and kept out on getting stronger too.

But yeah in the anime version Base Vegito looked even stronger than Ultimate Gohan so then you'd be talking thousands of times.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:06 pm

Bullza wrote: It'd be too low if we went by the anime.

I just went with Base Vegito being insignificantly stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. So Super Saiyan 3 Vegito would be comfortably over 400 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku already and Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger still and kept out on getting stronger too.

But yeah in the anime version Base Vegito looked even stronger than Ultimate Gohan so then you'd be talking thousands of times.
Toei original material vastly overstates the Base Saiyans' power, though.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:35 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Bullza wrote: It'd be too low if we went by the anime.

I just went with Base Vegito being insignificantly stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. So Super Saiyan 3 Vegito would be comfortably over 400 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku already and Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger still and kept out on getting stronger too.

But yeah in the anime version Base Vegito looked even stronger than Ultimate Gohan so then you'd be talking thousands of times.
Toei original material vastly overstates the Base Saiyans' power, though.
Well I'm ignoring the anime and him being above Ultimate Gohan though I'm not sure if I should seeing as how Super follows the Kai continuity and I don't know if they showed Base Vegito as being so strong in Kai.

There was something else that mentioned their fusion as being stronger than Super Saiyan 3 and then also mentioned how he could transform too. Not sure if that was a DB Heroes thing.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:57 pm

Bullza wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Bullza wrote: It'd be too low if we went by the anime.

I just went with Base Vegito being insignificantly stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. So Super Saiyan 3 Vegito would be comfortably over 400 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku already and Super Saiyan God Goku is stronger still and kept out on getting stronger too.

But yeah in the anime version Base Vegito looked even stronger than Ultimate Gohan so then you'd be talking thousands of times.
Toei original material vastly overstates the Base Saiyans' power, though.
Well I'm ignoring the anime and him being above Ultimate Gohan though I'm not sure if I should seeing as how Super follows the Kai continuity and I don't know if they showed Base Vegito as being so strong in Kai.

There was something else that mentioned their fusion as being stronger than Super Saiyan 3 and then also mentioned how he could transform too. Not sure if that was a DB Heroes thing.
The Daizenshuu 7 says there can be no doubt that his strength measures even greater than a Super Saiyan 3, and it does so before it mentions he can go SSJ. I don't see this as definite proof, though.

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