Goku's ''new form'' is just the red SSGod + Kaioken (Theory)

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Goku's ''new form'' is just the red SSGod + Kaioken (Theory)

Post by gohan_black » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:00 pm

That's my theory and I think it's pretty obvious. The reason it's stronger than SSj-blue Kaioken is probably because the red form consumes less energy and is more relaxed and therefore the Kaioken doesn't threaten the body and fits better (with) it than the blue Kaioken.

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Post by ChiefWamsutta » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:06 pm

I'm feeling that it will be mastered Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken.

Although i would love to see SSGod back!

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Post by TheMathemagician » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:27 pm

gohan_black wrote:thats my theory and i think its pretty obvious. the reason its stronger then ssj-blue kaioken is probably because the red form consume less energy and is more relaxed and therefore the kaioken dosent threaten the body and fits better to it then the blue kaioken.
Why would it be pretty obvious? It just as easily could be a new transformation. With that said, your theory is quite possible.
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Post by Chuquita » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:30 pm

That would be so much of a tease; I still miss ssjg. I don't think it's coming back though. (Outside of Toyotarou's manga of Super.)
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Post by Simere » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:14 pm

He'd have to be using much larger multipliers with KK to surpass what he'd gain from just using SSB.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:12 am

It's probably going to be a straight up new transformation
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Post by Hakaishin Saitama » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:09 am

Ki Breaker wrote:It's probably going to be a straight up new transformation
I hope so. The SSJBKKx10 was cool vs Hit, but that'd be really boring to do that yet again. I'd much rather see a new transformation... particularly one that might push Goku and Vegeta even higher up the god ladder. They're using god ki, but I'd like to see them transform their physical body into a godly form in addition to their ki (if that distinction is still being made in Super).

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Post by emperior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:31 am

Ki Breaker wrote:It's probably going to be a straight up new transformation
Agree. And seeing as SSB Kaioken probably didn't come from Toriyama at all, this time it will be designed from Toriyama so if a new form really happens, it's going to be something completely new. I'm quite sure that color-wise it will fit with Goku's classic gi (which Blue really doesn't) so I'm expecting either red/black, white or yellow hair.
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Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:35 am

This just reminds me of the "Black is Goten" theory, really.
Goku himself states he can no longer use the Kaiohken, and anyway both Ssj God and Kaiohken's aura are completely different.

It's a new form and I think Goku's finally going to surpass Beerus.

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Post by MagmonKai » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:23 am

gohan_black wrote:thats my theory and i think its pretty obvious. the reason its stronger then ssj-blue kaioken is probably because the red form consume less energy and is more relaxed and therefore the kaioken dosent threaten the body and fits better to it then the blue kaioken.

The SSG form in the anime isn't part of Goku's repertoire of transformations like it is in the manga though.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:51 am

The pretty obvious part is that its a new form, they wouldnt tease us like that with Goku reverting back to base after the powerup if that was a mere kaioken+SSJB which we have seen already.

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Post by Legion » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:58 am

I still think that it's better to not take too much seriously the opening. I don't think that is a new form, but we'll see. But i hope that is not another stupid recolor. :sick:

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Post by gohan_black » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:43 am

SansrivaaL wrote:The pretty obvious part is that its a new form, they wouldnt tease us like that with Goku reverting back to base after the powerup if that was a mere kaioken+SSJB which we have seen already.
do you even read the thread that your commenting on?>

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Post by SansrivaaL » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:45 am

gohan_black wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:The pretty obvious part is that its a new form, they wouldnt tease us like that with Goku reverting back to base after the powerup if that was a mere kaioken+SSJB which we have seen already.
do you even read the thread that your commenting on?>
Seems you couldnt get it, you said ''thats my theory and i think its pretty obvious. That Goku's new form isnt a new one but just SSJG+KK" while for me whats obvious is its a new form.

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Post by gohan_black » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:49 am

SansrivaaL wrote:
gohan_black wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:The pretty obvious part is that its a new form, they wouldnt tease us like that with Goku reverting back to base after the powerup if that was a mere kaioken+SSJB which we have seen already.
do you even read the thread that your commenting on?>
Seems you couldnt get it, you said ''thats my theory and i think its pretty obvious. That Goku's new form isnt a new one but just SSJG+KK" while for me whats obvious is its a new form.
you said SSBLUE i said ssj god red form

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Post by SansrivaaL » Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:53 am

gohan_black wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:
gohan_black wrote:
do you even read the thread that your commenting on?>
Seems you couldnt get it, you said ''thats my theory and i think its pretty obvious. That Goku's new form isnt a new one but just SSJG+KK" while for me whats obvious is its a new form.
you said SSBLUE i said ssj god red form
Yeah I got that, what I meant is we already saw a similar concept with SSJB+KK, SSJG+KK wont be that different, its like going full circle, I'd rather go with it being a new form rather than another used up transformation that for some reason comes back and combines KK with it, I just dont see it happening. SSJG aura is different from the one shown in the OP, we saw how KK combines with the forms, it makes a dual aura effect.

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Post by dragonballgeek » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:38 am

Hakaishin Saitama wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:It's probably going to be a straight up new transformation
I hope so. The SSJBKKx10 was cool vs Hit, but that'd be really boring to do that yet again. I'd much rather see a new transformation... particularly one that might push Goku and Vegeta even higher up the god ladder. They're using god ki, but I'd like to see them transform their physical body into a godly form in addition to their ki (if that distinction is still being made in Super).
I feel like any new transformations now will belong exclusively to Goku :/ hopefully I'm wrong and everyone develops some kind of new boost in power (assuming Whis trains everyone)

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Post by dragonballgeek » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:44 am

Legion wrote:I still think that it's better to not take too much seriously the opening. I don't think that is a new form, but we'll see. But i hope that is not another stupid recolor. :sick:
How is it not obvious to you that it's a new form? They definitely teased the SSG form in the beginning of the series. And NOT just because everyone saw it in the movie.

It wouldn't make sense to do what they did and have him turn back to a regular Saiyan after he kept going higher and higher into his transformation repertoire. A quick smirk hiding most of his face then back to base.

If thats not a sign of a tease then I don't know what is. Don't forget these people want you to keep watching their show, so it's not too far fetched to believe it's a new transformation to keep you interested.

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Re: Goku's ''new form'' is just the red SSGod + Kaioken (Theory)

Post by Legion » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:06 am

How is it not obvious to you that it's a new form? They definitely teased the SSG form in the beginning of the series. And NOT just because everyone saw it in the movie.
What? come on, this is not a good example. :?

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Post by Simere » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:09 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:This just reminds me of the "Black is Goten" theory, really.
Goku himself states he can no longer use the Kaiohken, and anyway both Ssj God and Kaiohken's aura are completely different.

It's a new form and I think Goku's finally going to surpass Beerus.
He didn't say he can't use it anymore, he said he wouldn't use it for awhile; presumably till he's mastered it further. He did in fact use it again against Merged Zamasu.

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