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Lord Beerus wrote:But it all comes down to bad parenting.
What do you mean ? do you actually think it's a parent's job to teach their kids how to live ? we're in the 21st century so get with the times, it's the entertainment's job to do that. If a kid didn't know to avoid that situation it's because DB didn't teach him how and Toriyama shold be held accountable for that.
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Hell bloody fucking yes, it's a parent duty to teach their kids how to live. I don't give a flying fucking shit if it's 21st or the 31st century. The major role of a parent is to directly instruct their child/children on how to behave and act properly when they are growing up. Do not ever leave "entertainment" to be the permanent substitute for properly raising a child, in any moral or mental, and say that they should held accountable for any unconventional situations that they get themselves into that relate to an "entertainment" or other forms of media they saw. Dragon Ball is not meant teach kids jack fucking shit. That's something a responsible adult is meant to do. The responsible adult being a parent. If you think that "entertainment" should be solely responsible to teaching kids how to live their lives, then quite frankly, you should strongly consider not having children. I'm sorry I came off as strong, but I find this kind of mentality as very dangerous.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:
He shouldn't have been carrying a BB gun with him, let alone shooting it. Period.
Why the hell not ? BB guns are a popular kids toy.
Well, here in the UK, the minimum age to buy or sell a BB gun of any sort is 18. That legal restriction is put there for a purpose. Yes, people under the age of 18 can legally use a BB gun, but I'm personally against it because kids are way more irresponsible.
That's your opinion, which I can respect and understand but I don't think it makes the kid stupid or the parents bad. It's a socially accepted thing, at least in America.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Christ... this is why I don't like children. They have the opposite of survival instincts, a chimp would have reacted better. Also, "Zees"? The reporter must be worse than the kid.
Christ dude, calm down. Everyone does stupid stuff, kids, teens, young adults, adults, and seniors. This whole thread is just ridiculous.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Christ... this is why I don't like children. They have the opposite of survival instincts, a chimp would have reacted better. Also, "Zees"? The reporter must be worse than the kid.
Christ dude, calm down. Everyone does stupid stuff, kids, teens, young adults, adults, and seniors. This whole thread is just ridiculous.
Teens, young adults, adults, and seniors wouldn't try to power their ki up when attacked by a swarm of bees. I wasn't even actively angry, more like facepalming.
Hell bloody fucking yes, it's a parent duty to teach their kids how to live. I don't give a flying fucking shit if it's 21st or the 31st century. The major role of a parent is to directly instruct their child/children on how to behave and act properly when they are growing up. Do not ever leave "entertainment" to be the permanent substitute for properly raising a child, in any moral or mental, and say that they should held accountable for any unconventional situations that they get themselves into that relate to an "entertainment" or other forms of media they saw. Dragon Ball is not meant teach kids jack fucking shit. That's something a responsible adult is meant to do. The responsible adult being a parent. If you think that "entertainment" should be solely responsible to teaching kids how to live their lives, then quite frankly, you should strongly consider not having children. I'm sorry I came off as strong, but I find this kind of mentality as very dangerous.
Let me put it another way.
What do you mean ? do you actually think it's a parent's job to teach their kids how to live ? we're in the 21st century so get with the times, it's the entertainment's job to do that. If a kid didn't know to avoid that situation it's because DB didn't teach him how and Toriyama shold be held accountable for that. (PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST A JOKE AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
I'll make sure I put that at the end of every joke I make to not cause this kind of confusion again.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Lord Beerus wrote:Well, here in the UK, the minimum age to buy or sell a BB gun of any sort is 18. That legal restriction is put there for a purpose. Yes, people under the age of 18 can legally use a BB gun, but I'm personally against it because kids are way more irresponsible.
Yeah, as has been said, here in America, at least when I was growing up, it's pretty common for kids to have BB guns. In fact, non-adults are the only demographic you'd expect to own a BB gun at all as they pretty much exist to serve as a less-powerful alternative to real firearms.
Then again, I know jack and shit about firearms and have never fired anything but laser tag guns and airsoft rifles. But in popular culture and classic Americana, they're traditionally considered accoutrements for pre-teen boys. Perhaps most famously, there's the movie A Christmas Story, which revolves around the main character, Ralphie, attempting to convince his parents to get him a "Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time" for Christmas.
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Lord Beerus wrote:But it all comes down to bad parenting.
What do you mean ? do you actually think it's a parent's job to teach their kids how to live ? we're in the 21st century so get with the times, it's the entertainment's job to do that. If a kid didn't know to avoid that situation it's because DB didn't teach him how and Toriyama shold be held accountable for that.
This was clearly sarcasm the "we're in the 21st century so get with the times" already gave it away, but the biggest part was "If a kid didn't know to avoid that situation it's because DB didn't teach him how and Toriyama shold be held accountable for that"
The kid was shouting Vegetto, Vegetto knows how to use IT, its AT's fault for not giving us instructions on how to master IT let alone control our "ki" if Videl could do it, why cant we.
What do you mean ? do you actually think it's a parent's job to teach their kids how to live ? we're in the 21st century so get with the times, it's the entertainment's job to do that. If a kid didn't know to avoid that situation it's because DB didn't teach him how and Toriyama shold be held accountable for that. (PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST A JOKE AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
I was about to say how foolish your post was, your sarcasm is either way advanced or you really need to work on it
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
kinisking wrote:It's a socially accepted thing, at least in America.
Gaffer Tape wrote:But in popular culture and classic Americana, they're traditionally considered accoutrements for pre-teen boys.
Aaand that's why you got the mass shootings. Just saying.
I bet you think call of duty leads to mass shootings too.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
DragonBallLove wrote:
Aaand that's why you got the mass shootings. Just saying.
I bet you think call of duty leads to mass shootings too.
Wait, they let kids buy CoD in America?
You have to be 17 to buy it, but anyone can play it. Most people playing it are under 18.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
kinisking wrote:
I bet you think call of duty leads to mass shootings too.
Wait, they let kids buy CoD in America?
You have to be 17 to buy it, but anyone can play it. Most people playing it are under 18.
Now that is just irresponsible, you dont let kids play that kind of game till they're 18+, kids get easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play.
SansrivaaL wrote:Now that is just irresponsible, you dont let kids play that kind of game till they're 18+, kids get easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play.
I... admit I find this sentiment troubling on a Dragon Ball forum considering the kind of flack it's gotten for its violence and content. You could just as easily say, "You don't let kids see the fight against Freeza. They're easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play, so if they see Kuririn get impaled, they'll think it's okay to impale their friends." To clarify, I'm not saying AT ALL that anything is good for kids, or that parents shouldn't make decisions about what their kids intake. But I do rather chaff at the broad-spectrum idea of, "This rating is sacrosanct and must be obeyed, for all children develop at the same rate."
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SansrivaaL wrote:Now that is just irresponsible, you dont let kids play that kind of game till they're 18+, kids get easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play.
I... admit I find this sentiment troubling on a Dragon Ball forum considering the kind of flack it's gotten for its violence and content. You could just as easily say, "You don't let kids see the fight against Freeza. They're easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play, so if they see Kuririn get impaled, they'll think it's okay to impale their friends."
Krillin getting impaled doesnt come close to what CoD can make you do and its story line. Not really DB related but when I was a kid a friend of mine slammed a basketball on someones head because he wanted to be like Sakuragi from slam dunk, we we're all playin we can do kamehame ha and punch each other in the face for giggles of acting like Goku,Vegeta,Freeza etc. if say CoD.... a kid grabs a gun and shoots at someone? that is crazier, because that is what CoD stands for, pure violence, DB has its time to time fun times.
Lord Beerus wrote:Well, here in the UK, the minimum age to buy or sell a BB gun of any sort is 18. That legal restriction is put there for a purpose. Yes, people under the age of 18 can legally use a BB gun, but I'm personally against it because kids are way more irresponsible.
Yeah, as has been said, here in America, at least when I was growing up, it's pretty common for kids to have BB guns. In fact, non-adults are the only demographic you'd expect to own a BB gun at all as they pretty much exist to serve as a less-powerful alternative to real firearms.
Then again, I know jack and shit about firearms and have never fired anything but laser tag guns and airsoft rifles. But in popular culture and classic Americana, they're traditionally considered accoutrements for pre-teen boys. Perhaps most famously, there's the movie A Christmas Story, which revolves around the main character, Ralphie, attempting to convince his parents to get him a "Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time" for Christmas.
And poor Ralphie ends up shooting his eye out. But it was still the best Christmas present he ever had.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
SansrivaaL wrote:
Wait, they let kids buy CoD in America?
You have to be 17 to buy it, but anyone can play it. Most people playing it are under 18.
Now that is just irresponsible, you dont let kids play that kind of game till they're 18+, kids get easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play.
Sorry, but I completely disagree. I've been raised with the most violent of games and I turned out fine. Kids can seperate reality from fiction. Did Dragonball ever make you want to go out and beat people up ?
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
kinisking wrote:
You have to be 17 to buy it, but anyone can play it. Most people playing it are under 18.
Now that is just irresponsible, you dont let kids play that kind of game till they're 18+, kids get easily influenced by what they see on TV and the games they play.
Sorry, but I completely disagree. I've been raised with the most violent of games and I turned out fine. Kids can seperate reality from fiction. Did Dragonball ever make you want to go out and beat people up ?
the "we're in the 21st century so get with the times" already gave it away, but the biggest part was "If a kid didn't know to avoid that situation it's because DB didn't teach him how and Toriyama shold be held accountable for that"
