GT or Super? Which one is the best?

[Kanassa]

and the fact the Gowasu, a very experient Kaioshin, didn't realize that his student was a maniac homicidal is very inconsistent.

How's that inconsistent? The only other Kioshin we'd seen before then was Shin, and he doesn't exactly make the Kioshin look good.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

and the fact the Gowasu, a very experient Kaioshin, didn't realize that his student was a maniac homicidal is very inconsistent.

How's that inconsistent? The only other Kioshin we'd seen before then was Shin, and he doesn't exactly make the Kioshin look good.

Shin's only problem was his inexperience, as far as I can see. Gowasu kept saying "Nah, Zamasu is juuust fine." after being shown beyond a reasonable measure that Zamasu was totally fucked in the head.

[Kanassa]

Shin's only problem was his inexperience, as far as I can see. Gowasu kept saying "Nah, Zamasu is juuust fine." after being shown beyond a reasonable measure that Zamasu was totally fucked in the head.

I think even inexperience would allow Shin to know that letting Babidy take Gohan's energy was a bad idea. Whether he should of been able to see Zamasu's madness is debatable, but I was arguing on it being 'inconsistent'.

[Noah]

I don't have any problems with the first 15 episodes of GT, was entertaining in its way, I prefer way better than BoG rehash on Super.

[Israelite Wolfman]

So far Dragon Ball Super was mostly GVT = Goku & Vegeta's Time, sucks for fans. GT was still a mere Goku's Time.

[Gog]

So far Dragon Ball Super was mostly GVT = Goku & Vegeta's Time, sucks for fans. GT was still a mere Goku's Time.

Really GVT time? I personally remember when Bulma had a lot of plot relevance in the FT trunks arc, as well as Trunks himself. In fact most of the cast is actually used in Dragon Ball Super.

[Israelite Wolfman]

So far Dragon Ball Super was mostly GVT = Goku & Vegeta's Time, sucks for fans. GT was still a mere Goku's Time.

Really GVT time? I personally remember when Bulma had a lot of plot relevance in the FT trunks arc, as well as Trunks himself. In fact most of the cast is actually used in Dragon Ball Super.

I've said: Mostly. Seriously read. Bulma gets the screen time cuz she's the brains of the cast, you don't expect the heroes to suddenly be able to fix a time machine or figure out how to locate the Super Dragon Balls. Future Trunks was still given less screen time in his arc than Goku & Vegeta in his own arc, they tried to take care of Zamasu & Black themselves telling him to sit on the sidelines.

Where is Gohan, a.k.a. A person in his physical prime whose potential is higher than both Goku & Vegeta, in this show? Being a useless minor character that everytime has the spotlight on him is shown to be "out of shape/quit fighting", same goes for Piccolo. The old cast shown in DBS are mostly depicted as background characters, if we didn't had the Yamcha & Krillin filler episodes recently you may have also see them as flat characters.

[TheMikado]

So far Dragon Ball Super was mostly GVT = Goku & Vegeta's Time, sucks for fans. GT was still a mere Goku's Time.

Really GVT time? I personally remember when Bulma had a lot of plot relevance in the FT trunks arc, as well as Trunks himself. In fact most of the cast is actually used in Dragon Ball Super.

I've said: Mostly. Seriously read. Bulma gets the screen time cuz she's the brains of the cast, you don't expect the heroes to suddenly be able to fix a time machine or figure out how to locate the Super Dragon Balls. Future Trunks was still given less screen time in his arc than Goku & Vegeta in his own arc, they tried to take care of Zamasu & Black themselves telling him to sit on the sidelines.

Where is Gohan, a.k.a. A person in his physical prime whose potential is higher than both Goku & Vegeta, in this show? Being a useless minor character that everytime has the spotlight on him is shown to be "out of shape/quit fighting", same goes for Piccolo. The old cast shown in DBS are mostly depicted as background characters, if we didn't had the Yamcha & Krillin filler episodes recently you may have also see them as flat characters.

I actually preferred GT because the cast was all basically out doing their own thing. It felt consistent with EoZ where Vegeta and crew weren't tagging along after Goku. I'm not a fan of Goku at all but I didn't mind it being the Goku show as long as it wasn't Goku & "Friends".

[Gog]

So far Dragon Ball Super was mostly GVT = Goku & Vegeta's Time, sucks for fans. GT was still a mere Goku's Time.

Really GVT time? I personally remember when Bulma had a lot of plot relevance in the FT trunks arc, as well as Trunks himself. In fact most of the cast is actually used in Dragon Ball Super.

I've said: Mostly. Seriously read. Bulma gets the screen time cuz she's the brains of the cast, you don't expect the heroes to suddenly be able to fix a time machine or figure out how to locate the Super Dragon Balls. Future Trunks was still given less screen time in his arc than Goku & Vegeta in his own arc, they tried to take care of Zamasu & Black themselves telling him to sit on the sidelines.

Where is Gohan, a.k.a. A person in his physical prime whose potential is higher than both Goku & Vegeta, in this show? Being a useless minor character that everytime has the spotlight on him is shown to be "out of shape/quit fighting", same goes for Piccolo. The old cast shown in DBS are mostly depicted as background characters, if we didn't had the Yamcha & Krillin filler episodes recently you may have also see them as flat characters.

Gohan's moved on, as in he's actually doing what he wants. Also Gohan capable of surpassing Goku and Vegeta? He's certainly no Freeza

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I actually preferred GT because the cast was all basically out doing their own thing. It felt consistent with EoZ where Vegeta and crew weren't tagging along after Goku. I'm not a fan of Goku at all but I didn't mind it being the Goku show as long as it wasn't Goku & "Friends".

The direction GT went made sense. Goku was the only one with the free time and the desire to fight that kept him relevant. Every other character had no real reason to train. It made sense he'd be there to look after Pan because of his free time. GT could have been better though if Goku was an adult the entire time and just kept the mentor role to Uub (not Trunks), and Pan. That would have been more interesting even if the focus on Goku was still the same. Super doesn't really give them much excuse to why Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Goten and & Trunks do absolutely nothing though. They're still in their primes, just aren't relevant at all. Super also made Krillin seem weaker and more insecure than he was in Z which is a step down as well.

With Super I really don't get the feeling the characters seem to be maturing at all with it not really going anywhere if most of the plot-lines are based on just Goku being bored .

Can you present a few examples, because I only remember the Monaka filler episode being because Goku was bored.

Goku wanting the Universal Tournament was based off being him being bored. Recent plot details only expanded off of this.

[Kanassa]

With Super I really don't get the feeling the characters seem to be maturing at all with it not really going anywhere if most of the plot-lines are based on just Goku being bored .

Can you present a few examples, because I only remember the Monaka filler episode being because Goku was bored.

Goku wanting the Universal Tournament was based off being him being bored. Recent plot details only expanded off of this.

Can you mention more than one? Plus, this only came about after you made a comment saying MOST of the plots are like this in Super.

[Soppa Saia People]

I actually preferred GT because the cast was all basically out doing their own thing. It felt consistent with EoZ where Vegeta and crew weren't tagging along after Goku. I'm not a fan of Goku at all but I didn't mind it being the Goku show as long as it wasn't Goku & "Friends".

That's one of many reasons I prefer GT over Super. The characters have changed, as opposed to Super, which just feels stagnated.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Logic tells me that Super has better story, humour and characters.
Logic tells me that GT has better art style, animation, music and voice acting.
Emotions (mostly nostalgia) make me like GT more.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Can you mention more than one? Plus, this only came about after you made a comment saying MOST of the plots are like this in Super

Wasn't Goku bored being a Radish farmer at the very start of Super as well?
Unless the threats come to him, Goku is usually just bored or with North Kai.

[Kanassa]

Can you mention more than one? Plus, this only came about after you made a comment saying MOST of the plots are like this in Super

Wasn't Goku bored being a Radish farmer at the very start of Super as well?
Unless the threats come to him, Goku is usually just bored or with North Kai.

He wasn't ored, he just wanted to train. And being bored in the story isn't 'Most of the plots being based on Goku being bored''
BoG is based on Beerus's vision and his desire to fight a Super Saiyan God
RoF is based on Frieza's Resurrection and thirst for Revenge
U6T is based on Champa and Beerus trying to out do each other without blowing up the universe on accident
Black arc is based on Future Trunks coming back because of the plan of a corrupted and insane Kai/

[TheUltimateNinja]

Logic tells me that Super has better story, humour and characters.
Logic tells me that GT has better art style, animation, music and voice acting.
Emotions (mostly nostalgia) make me like GT more.

GT has better animation? Now that certainly isn't logic.

[Cipher]

GT has better animation? Now that certainly isn't logic.

It doesn't have Super's high highs, but at this point it can boast a more consistent track record on at least art and storyboarding -- probably animation as well.

I'd argue that, more than just being consistent in those first two areas, it has some pretty high highs in storyboarding/art that Super will have trouble topping. It gave Dragon Ball a few extra bits of visual iconography in its short run. Super has some very excellent action cuts, but I can't picture many individual shots.

[TheUltimateNinja]

GT has better animation? Now that certainly isn't logic.

It doesn't have Super's high highs, but at this point it can boast a more consistent track record on at least art and storyboarding -- probably animation as well.

I'd argue that, more than just being consistent in those first two areas, it has some pretty high highs in storyboarding/art that Super will have trouble topping. It gave Dragon Ball a few extra bits of visual iconography in its short run. Super has some very excellent action cuts, but I can't picture many individual shots.

I'm not talking about their best moments, on average I think Super still comes out ahead. Sure, it has some pretty bad moments, but GT has moments that are even worse in both art and animation like the scene where Goku eats the 4 star dragon ball. The only thing in Super I can think of that was definitely worse than most of GT is the first version of Goku vs Beerus on King Kai's planet, and that's only in terms of art rather than animation. Also, the reused animation sequences are much more obvious in GT.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

He wasn't bored, he just wanted to train. And being bored in the story isn't 'Most of the plots being based on Goku being bored''

I realize that, but how Goku's character is written in a way that it makes it seem like they are when you don't look at the overall arc summaries.

[Kanassa]

He wasn't bored, he just wanted to train. And being bored in the story isn't 'Most of the plots being based on Goku being bored''

I realize that, but how Goku's character is written in a way that it makes it seem like they are when you don't look at the overall arc summaries.

You don't need an arc summery to know that none of the plots were based on Goku being bored