Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[DBZ Macky]

Just rewatched Episode 8 of DBS and I gotta say, Rageta is really, really stupid. I wonder why they didn't just give Gohan a rage boost instead. I know for a fact that pleasing Gohan fans is the way to go when it comes to Dragon Ball.

[Simere]

I came up with some estimates:

DBZ and BoG Pre-SSG Absorption: Base Goku = Base Goku (Namek Saga)

Base Goku can't have not improved at all from Namek if he was stronger than Vegeta and Trunks as SSJ1, and then later stronger as SSJ2.

[DBZ Macky]

I came up with some estimates:
DBZ and BoG Pre-SSG Absorption: Base Goku = Base Goku (Namek Saga)

You sure you didn't mean Base Goku = SSJ Goku (Namek Saga)?

[ChiefWamsutta]

I came up with some estimates:
DBZ and BoG Pre-SSG Absorption: Base Goku = Base Goku (Namek Saga)

You sure you didn't mean Base Goku = SSJ Goku (Namek Saga)?

I came up with some estimates:

DBZ and BoG Pre-SSG Absorption: Base Goku = Base Goku (Namek Saga)

BoG Post-SSG Absorption: Base Goku = SS3 Goku (Buu Saga)

RoF: Base Goku = Super Buu

U6: Base Goku = Ultimate Gohan (Buu Saga)

Future Trunks and Universe Survival: Base Goku = Base Vegito (Buu Saga)

Is the first one a joke?
Goku from the Mecha Frieza arc is already stronger than he was back in Namek, so there's no way he'd be that weak.

I came up with some estimates:

DBZ and BoG Pre-SSG Absorption: Base Goku = Base Goku (Namek Saga)

Base Goku can't have not improved at all from Namek if he was stronger than Vegeta and Trunks as SSJ1, and then later stronger as SSJ2.

Yes, obviously Goku's Base power should have grown a lot. However, when Goku meets Beerus for the first time on Kaio's planet, Beerus says he shouldn't be able to beat Frieza in his Base form.

It has to be that from DBZ until absorbing the SSGod power Goku's Base was between 3,000,000 and 120,000,000.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Yes, obviously Goku's Base power should have grown a lot. However, when Goku meets Beerus for the first time on Kaio's planet, Beerus says he shouldn't be able to beat Frieza in his Base form.

It has to be that from DBZ until absorbing the SSGod power Goku's Base was between 3,000,000 and 120,000,000.

There's a 40x gap between those numbers.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Yes, obviously Goku's Base power should have grown a lot. However, when Goku meets Beerus for the first time on Kaio's planet, Beerus says he shouldn't be able to beat Frieza in his Base form.

It has to be that from DBZ until absorbing the SSGod power Goku's Base was between 3,000,000 and 120,000,000.

There's a 40x gap between those numbers.

Hahaha, yes, I gathered that. My point is that he is nowhere near SS Goku (Namek Saga). I could put him at 60,000,000 by the time he meets Beerus.

supersaiyangodgogeta's point about SS Goku in outer space being weaker than SSGod makes sense to me. Hoepfully, we will see results tonight.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Yes, obviously Goku's Base power should have grown a lot. However, when Goku meets Beerus for the first time on Kaio's planet, Beerus says he shouldn't be able to beat Frieza in his Base form.

It has to be that from DBZ until absorbing the SSGod power Goku's Base was between 3,000,000 and 120,000,000.

There's a 40x gap between those numbers.

Hahaha, yes, I gathered that. My point is that he is nowhere near SS Goku (Namek Saga). I could put him at 60,000,000 by the time he meets Beerus.

supersaiyangodgogeta's point about SS Goku in outer space being weaker than SSGod makes sense to me. Hoepfully, we will see results tonight.

In terms of feats he's actually even better as Bullza pointed out. And Base Goku has the same level of strength as well.

[Beyond]

Good luck boys.

[Lord Beerus]

It seems like Bergamo can absorb power from attacks he receives and turn them into his own power by making his body larger. But even when he body was mountain sized, SSJ Goku was still kicking his butt. But then Goku turn SSJB and stacks Kaioken on top of that wins fairly cleanly. But here's the confusing part... Bergamo's beam when he was giant-sized was actually pushing back Goku's Kamehameha and Goku had to power up again to get the job done.

I... don't know what to make of this.

EDIT: According to Herms, Zeno told Goku not hold back
EDIT 2: How come Bergamo can't defend himself against SSJ Goku but can against SSJB Goku that has Kaioken stacked on top of that? I still can't get my head around that.
EDIT: 3: Wait, does this mean that Bergamo's own strength is on par with SSJB Goku? What part does him growing larger from receiving damage factor into that?

[Zamasu55]

Good luck boys.

This nonsense's worse than Ssj2 Future Trunks vs SsjR Black Goku and Zamasu.

[Bullza]

New episode.

Does it confirm that Base Goku is stronger than Base Gohan? Gohan was practically even with Lavender whereas surely Bergamo was stronger and Goku had the advantage against him even after Bergamo's first boost.

I'd say it even showed Base Goku as being above Super Saiyan Gohan but people seem to believe he lost strenght very quickly.

No idea what really happened at the end because he was winning as a Super Saiyan then next thing you know he busted out Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken and Bergamo sort of resisted it for a moment.

From the preview of the next episode he looks to turn Super Saiyan Blue against Toppo aswell.

[pacz360]

It seems like Bergamo can absorb power from attacks he receives and turn them into his own power by making his body larger. But even when he body was mountain sized, SSJ Goku was still kicking his butt. But then Goku turn SSJB and stacks Kaioken on top of that wins fairly cleanly. But here's the confusing part... Bergamo's beam when he was giant-sized was actually pushing back Goku's Kamehameha and Goku had to power up again to get the job done.

I... don't know what to make of this.

Simple despite ssj goku performance bergamo was still absorbing his blows so goku decided powerup to the point bergamo can't handle it.

[The gr]

So is Bergamo ssgss tier, because he was pushing the full power ssgss kaioken Kamehameha, damn that's impressive for a universe with low ratings,I'm hoping we see more of him In the future

[pacz360]

So powered up bergamo is around ssjb level considering he was able resit ssjbkk khh goku briefly and survived.

[pacz360]

So is Bergamo ssgss tier, because he was pushing the full power ssgss kaioken Kamehameha, damn that's impressive for a universe with low ratings,I'm hoping we see more of him In the future

Yeah he is at least above u6 ssjb goku.

[Bullza]

Base Goku above Super Saiyan Gohan or no?

[incarnati0n]

I don't think we can make a good assumption of Bergamo's power. All he did was just take Goku's stenght and fight with it, which is exactly stated by Goku at the end of their fight. So the only question is if this ability has a cap of some type.

[ZombieVito]

Base Goku above Super Saiyan Gohan or no?

No. I saw nothing that indicated base Goku (Without god ki of course) > SSJ Gohan.

[Bullza]

Well Lavender went toe to toe with Super Saiyan Gohan for a while. Bergamo surely going to be stronger and Goku was stronger than that at first.

But this all comes back to how Base Gohan already seemed stronger than Lavender so did his power rapidly fall when he was fighting as a Super Saiyan or was Lavender holding back?

What about Buu? Base Goku could possibly be stronger than Buu.

[ZombieVito]

Gohan was poisoned and his body was rotting.

No way was he not losing power.