The two most well synchronized fighters won't participate. So much for team work.

Rhuagh · Post by **Rhuagh** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:41 pm

Once again, the absence of 13-years-old Goten and 14-years-old Trunks in the Tournament of Power becomes even more unbelievable. Knowing what's at stake, and what kind of battle they are getting into, the Z Warriors will still favor the humans over the boys.

As much as I'm a fan of Muten Roshi, he has nothing to add to the team. No amount of brilliant strategy(a talent that he hasn't showcased before) can compensate for his lack of power. Kuririn is weak and his best technique(Kienzan) can't be used efficiently, as killing won't be allowed. Tenshinhan at least has the chance of scoring a couple ring-outs with his Shin Kikohou, as he successfully pushed back someone as strong as Semi-Perfect Cell, and deflected a Ki attack from Buutenks.

Speaking of the rules, there's no risk of them getting killed, therefore no excuse for not allowing them to fight. And even if there was a risk, so what? Remember 10-years-old SSJ2 Gohan kicking Cell's ass? And everything he had to do when he was even younger? Or 14 old Future Trunks being the only warrior left in his world? Or the same much younger Goten and Trunks being given the responsibility of defeating Majin Buu...

The fact the round lasts 48 minutes and they can fuse for 30, more than half, just adds salt to the wound.

This would have been the perfect opportunity to give them new designs(about time), power them up to SSJ2 (about time!), and develop their characters. If killing was allowed and the destruction of universes was a surprise, I could understand their absence. But not like this.

Trunks and Goten are stuck in the Buu Saga. What do you think?

The gr · Post by **The gr** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:46 pm

What are you talking about, master roshi has way more experience than Goten and trunks,he come up with good strategy in DB, and honestly it would be boring if we had 5 saiyans in one team, wouldn't that be stale and the fact that Goten is a boring Goku clone,I mean it would be a waste if we have 3 Goku clones that look alike in 1 team

but they should have introduced a new character to replace roshi and krillin,but I'm fine with them being in the team

Beyond · Post by **Beyond** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:51 pm

I'm sure 17 and 18 fight together better than Goten and Trunks.
I bet Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, and Roshi could all fight together extremely well tbh.

Rhuagh · Post by **Rhuagh** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:58 pm

The gr wrote:What are you talking about, master roshi has way more experience than Goten and trunks,he come up with good strategy in DB, and honestly it would be boring if we had 5 saiyans in one team, wouldn't that be stale and the fact that Goten is a boring Goku clone,I mean it would be a waste if we have 3 Goku clones that look alike
but they should have introduced a new character to replace roshi and krillin or keep them

Good strategy? Like what? If Roshi could help in any meaningful way, he would have done it in the several opportunities he had in Z. Instead, he stood back and watched.

You know what I find boring? Standard punch exchanges and Kamehameha, which is exactly what Roshi will do. Meanwhile, Gotenks has several unique techniques and a unique personality. That I find entertaining.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:02 am

My brain automatically jumped to Gokû Black and Future Zamasu when you said "two most well synchronized fighters won't participate". ^^;;

OT:
I would like to see an older Goten and older Trunks; I liked their EoZ designs and them being held back from physically aging hurts them as characters imo. Nobody stopped Gohan from continuously growing older; why stop Goten and Trunks?

Cure Dragon 255 · Post by **Cure Dragon 255** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:39 am

Really? The Same Goten and Trunks that almost got the earth blown up with their incompetence? REALLY!?

Alee9977 · Post by **Alee9977** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:03 am

We know it, I will start counting how many threads about Goten and Trunks abscense there are, it's annoying seeing the same everyday (no offense to anybody

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Cure Dragon 255 · Post by **Cure Dragon 255** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:07 am

I know this thread is bad but I havent seen many of these.

Alee9977 · Post by **Alee9977** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:21 am

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:I know this thread is bad but I havent seen many of these.

With this, I saw 3 threads of Goten and Trunks by just putting Goten in the forum browser, there are more that don't include both character names just like this one.
At least, this isn't like the huge number of Goku being a prick/villain/bad guy threads there are.

ChronoTwigger · Post by **ChronoTwigger** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:59 am

Mumble mumble...
I never replied to this kind of thread before.
Gotenks was clearly debuffed 2 times, doesn't last a second and even base Vegeta now can kick him.
Gohan and Trunks as kids occupy 2 slots and without fusion probably sucks totally, being less than Roshi.

Despite what your power level sense could hint from Z, Roshi was tier to Krillin and Tien in RoF retelling. Can be a little forced, but just only a bit. He was tier to Tien the last time they fought.

Strictly speaking, ChaoTzu skill to stop people in a tournament with no killing, conservative strategy and "I stop him, you bash him" seems even more useful than Piccolo or even Krillin XD.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:39 am

Chuquita wrote:My brain automatically jumped to Gokû Black and Future Zamasu when you said "two most well synchronized fighters won't participate". ^^;;

Me too

My second option was #17 & #18, but that didn't make sense, as they are competing, so it being Goten and Trunks the TC meant came as a surprise and I thought he just made a mistake.

ckal9 · Post by **ckal9** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:32 pm

Sure they are powerful and work together but they are immature and incompetent children. They will undoubtedly become a hindrance and I'm sure the show will explain exactly that as the reason why they won't be chosen.

omaro34 · Post by **omaro34** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:25 pm

Actually, the fact that there is teamwork and strategy involved in this is precisely why I think Goten and Trunks were omitted from the tournament in the first place. They lack the experience, composure, and the fact that power alone isn't enough to win tells the story.

Plus we already have enough Saiyans on this team.

Lord Frieza · Post by **Lord Frieza** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:29 pm

I can tell you just how it would go if Goten and Trunks were in.

They fight for a bit, decide to fuse, fuse, Gotenks is here, Gotenks starts talking crap like he always dose, mid sentence he gets punched in the face, Gotenks gets ringed out before he even throws a punch. And scene.

TheMikado · Post by **TheMikado** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:29 pm

Rhuagh wrote:Once again, the absence of 13-years-old Goten and 14-years-old Trunks in the Tournament of Power becomes even more unbelievable. Knowing what's at stake, and what kind of battle they are getting into, the Z Warriors will still favor the humans over the boys.

As much as I'm a fan of Muten Roshi, he has nothing to add to the team. No amount of brilliant strategy(a talent that he hasn't showcased before) can compensate for his lack of power. Kuririn is weak and his best technique(Kienzan) can't be used efficiently, as killing won't be allowed. Tenshinhan at least has the chance of scoring a couple ring-outs with his Shin Kikohou, as he successfully pushed back someone as strong as Semi-Perfect Cell, and deflected a Ki attack from Buutenks.

Speaking of the rules, there's no risk of them getting killed, therefore no excuse for not allowing them to fight. And even if there was a risk, so what? Remember 10-years-old SSJ2 Gohan kicking Cell's ass? And everything he had to do when he was even younger? Or 14 old Future Trunks being the only warrior left in his world? Or the same much younger Goten and Trunks being given the responsibility of defeating Majin Buu...

The fact the round lasts 48 minutes and they can fuse for 30, more than half, just adds salt to the wound.

This would have been the perfect opportunity to give them new designs(about time), power them up to SSJ2 (about time!), and develop their characters. If killing was allowed and the destruction of universes was a surprise, I could understand their absence. But not like this.

Trunks and Goten are stuck in the Buu Saga. What do you think?

All this is even more perplexing considering how much trust Goku put in a younger Gohan how didn't want to fight and the whole they are the future business... But whatever. I'm done rationalizing this.

gofishus · Post by **gofishus** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:47 pm

I like that Master Roshi is used more in Super and Android 17 is coming back but I also agree that Gotenks and Goten in particular is also very underutilized in Super would be nice to have them in there, but oh well :/ thats how it is

kinisking · Post by **kinisking** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:51 am

The gr wrote:What are you talking about, master roshi has way more experience than Goten and trunks,he come up with good strategy in DB, and honestly it would be boring if we had 5 saiyans in one team, wouldn't that be stale and the fact that Goten is a boring Goku clone,I mean it would be a waste if we have 3 Goku clones that look alike in 1 team
but they should have introduced a new character to replace roshi and krillin,but I'm fine with them being in the team

Gohan is completely different from Goku character wise, and the outfit isn't inherently Goku's anyways.

Goten isn't a Goku clone either. He's like a mix of kid Goku and Gohan.

The gr · Post by **The gr** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:47 pm

kinisking wrote:
The gr wrote:What are you talking about, master roshi has way more experience than Goten and trunks,he come up with good strategy in DB, and honestly it would be boring if we had 5 saiyans in one team, wouldn't that be stale and the fact that Goten is a boring Goku clone,I mean it would be a waste if we have 3 Goku clones that look alike in 1 team
but they should have introduced a new character to replace roshi and krillin,but I'm fine with them being in the team
Gohan is completely different from Goku character wise, and the outfit isn't inherently Goku's anyways.

Goten isn't a Goku clone either. He's like a mix of kid Goku and Gohan.

But is there apereance that looks like Goku,I mean they really look alike and especially in Goten, but your right Gohan is different from Goku

I'm hoping Gohan have a personality that stand out among the others in this arc,I hate to see the badass and stoic Gohan

Araki · Post by **Araki** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:21 pm

The peak of their "synchronism" is a completely unreliable fusion that can't win a fight, so...yeah, no. That's not the kind of teamwork we need here.

GodKaio-Ken · Post by **GodKaio-Ken** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:51 pm

I think its funny people accept Roshi as being strong enough to compete when even in Dragon Ball Goku had surpassed him.

I really do wish Goten and Trunks competed honestly. Goten is one of my favorite characters and I wish he'd do something.

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