I See Death Flags for Toppo

[Shinomori]

Or should I say "Erase" flags? I'm getting the feeling Toppo being the righteous guy he claims to be, will ask of Zeno for the same thing Bergamo asked. That is if he wins his match with Goku, Zeno would cancel the Tournament of Power. My prediction is Zeno will grant this request, but should he lose, Toppo will be erased. So once Goku wins, Toppo will be erased, and that will give a reason for why Toppo's pupil seems to want to bring Goku down. (As we see them fighting in the opening) So ultimately, Goku will become even more of a bad guy.

To be honest back in January, I didn't think much about this Tournament of Power by looking at some of the character designs. Yet now, I'm getting excited. When we first heard about the Goku Black arc last year, I was hoping in a way Goku would actually be the villain of the story. That Goku himself would be Goku Black. (Through fusion) Now with this tournament arc, it looks like I'm getting that in a weird, playful way. No, Goku is not a hardcore villain, but the results of his actions are having that effect. Goku is the bad guy, without being a bad guy. I'm loving it! Of course I don't hate Goku or anything like that.

I hope my prediction holds true. I really want to see Goku hold some accountability for his rampant love of training and fighting all the time.

[ChronoTwigger]

Oh no, you're too gentle.

GOKU IS A BASTARD, he's destroying evrathang O_O. He's not the one I saw on Tv when I was 5 (yesterday, now I'm 6).
Toppo will go protect a children, and Goku will drill him and eat the children. As Goku now is sooo bad.
And Zeno, who's a gentle guy that seen a normal tournament and decided on the fly to turn this into a mass genocide, is not responsible. Not at all.

Goku had to predict that. Well, not, Zeno watched a match on his own and Zeno proposed on his own the thing, but that doesn't matter, Goku asked him to maintain the promise, staging a tournament of the greatest warriors of 12 universes. It's not Zeno fault if Zeno translate this as "ok, that's mean destroy entire universes, just because I'm a fucking delusional kid and you know, I really had orgasms looking at living beings doing bloodsheds". It's all Goku fault.
So now it's time for Gouki Goku. That finally can develop Black Hado, becoming SSJ5 and who know, maybe Naruto come in to save the day.


OMMAGOD THERE'S A SKIP T_T.
...15 days about that shit...

[Shinomori]

I don't know about all that, but there is a definite lack of responsibility on Goku's part. I've yet to see him really contemplate his actions. Perhaps if Toppo is erased, then we will actually see some remorse from Goku. I love the scenario.

[emperior]

I don't know about all that, but there is a definite lack of responsibility on Goku's part. I've yet to see him really contemplate his actions. Perhaps if Toppo is erased, then we will actually see some remorse from Goku. I love the scenario.

He would probably be a little sad like he was when he had to fire his last blast at Freezer, but he won't show any remorse if something like this happens. It would all be Toppo's fault.

[FortuneSSJ]

I'm not sure if Toppo will die, but I can see where you're going and looking back to the Opening it does seem there will be more going on about the Purple Guy vs Goku fight, than just being the final battle.

The fact that Goku, a Saiyan, will fight a real entitled Super-Hero is an idea I love a lot.
It really makes Goku come out as the Villain, but personally to me Goku is better than ever. I'm loving the route they are going with him and can't wait to see how everything ends.

As for Goku vs Toppo fight, I want Goku to destroy him.
Usually I like seeing Goku to lose, because it's a slap in the face of other cliché shonen main characters whose Mangakas never have the balls to make them lose, but this time no!
Goku beat Bergamo, and now I want him to beat Toppo too. It will also help Toei/Toriyama in the route they seem they are going with Goku's character.

Have all the other Universes be scared of him and bring their biggest guns to try take him down on the Tournament of Power.
It was already satisfying seeing Goku turn SSB in front of them all and the Gods wondering how a Human can attain God's power. Especially after they said U7 is the second Universe from the bottom. More of that please!

Even when counting major filler Tournaments, Goku only won Baba's Tournament and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. He was trolled in Other World Tournament by a rule that didn't even exist.
I really want him to win this one.

[dragonballgeek]

I definitely see Toppo losing. Not sure why people were saying I was wrong to think that, but all the signs seem to point at that.

Personally I don't think Toppo knew what he was getting into. People think that Toppo didnt flinch when Goku transformed to SSB because he's stronger. It could just be that he cants sense diety Ki. But he's going to get a taste of it first hand next episode.

[TheMathemagician]

I definitely see Toppo losing. Not sure why people were saying I was wrong to think that, but all the signs seem to point at that.

Personally I don't think Toppo knew what he was getting into. People think that Toppo didnt flinch when Goku transformed to SSB because he's stronger. It could just be that he cants sense diety Ki. But he's going to get a taste of it first hand next episode.

Just another question since I like your responses. I've been seeing some comments around the internet that it's possible that the shot of Toppo restraining Goku could be near the end of their fight as their reasoning was that the NEP showed Goku going from Base to SSB, but not from Base to SSJ. Do you think it's possible that could be the case?

But you might be right about Toppo not being able to sense the God Ki.

[Lord Frieza]

Yeah no.

There are no flags saying Toppo is going to loose. First off its clear that at base and SS, Toppo completely outclasses Goku to the point were dose no physical damage to him and is forced to go SSB against Toppo. Toppo was also scouted out to become a god of destruction, was not an ultimatum as with Vegeta or by chance like Goku, his power was so impressive that someone got off their ass and actually went to see him. And for people thinking looks weird and must be weak, need I remind anyone that a fat blob of pink, barely sentient bubblegum nearly beat Majin Vegeta to death and went toe-to-toe with SS3 Goku.

Second people are reading way to much into looks these days, one crocked smile or a funny look and a character gets branded as evil incarcerate. The same happens when characters start sweating or look a bit shocked or concerned, there not coded signals that say "That character will lose". If that were the case Goku would have lost to Nappa and 100% Frieza, Piccolo would have lost to imperfect Cell or Perfect Cell would have been killed by Vegeta.

[Cipher]

I can see either a win or loss against Toppo next week benefitting the general thrust of the arc. Goku winning means there's an even bigger target on his back, especially in the eyes of other members of the Pride Troopers(?). Goku losing means the crisis of potential erasure really comes home for the Universe 7 team, even though it should already be there.

[Boo Machine]

I hope Toppo wins. I really like him. Also it would be really cool to instill a little fear in our group.

But I can see Zeno wiping out Toppo for whatever reason.

[ckal9]

OMMAGOD THERE'S A SKIP T_T.
...15 days about that shit...

There's no episode next Sunday?

[dragonballgeek]

I definitely see Toppo losing. Not sure why people were saying I was wrong to think that, but all the signs seem to point at that.

Personally I don't think Toppo knew what he was getting into. People think that Toppo didnt flinch when Goku transformed to SSB because he's stronger. It could just be that he cants sense diety Ki. But he's going to get a taste of it first hand next episode.

Just another question since I like your responses. I've been seeing some comments around the internet that it's possible that the shot of Toppo restraining Goku could be near the end of their fight as their reasoning was that the NEP showed Goku going from Base to SSB, but not from Base to SSJ. Do you think it's possible that could be the case?

But you might be right about Toppo not being able to sense the God Ki.

Nice point! I never thought about That happening after he went blue.

If Goku lost I could see this being the reason why him getting a new transformation was necessary. As it stands right now, it seems like he will dominate everyone without it. Maybe a loss wouldn't be such a bad idea.

But I do like the statement someone made about Toppo stopping the fight because he didn't feel evil intentions coming from him.

[Khin]

There's no episode next Sunday?

Yep. There won’t be an episode this week due to the Nagoya Women’s marathon, instead episode #82 will air March 19 in Japan.

[dragonballgeek]

Yeah no.

There are no flags saying Toppo is going to loose. First off its clear that at base and SS, Toppo completely outclasses Goku to the point were dose no physical damage to him and is forced to go SSB against Toppo. Toppo was also scouted out to become a god of destruction, was not an ultimatum as with Vegeta or by chance like Goku, his power was so impressive that someone got off their ass and actually went to see him. And for people thinking looks weird and must be weak, need I remind anyone that a fat blob of pink, barely sentient bubblegum nearly beat Majin Vegeta to death and went toe-to-toe with SS3 Goku.

Second people are reading way to much into looks these days, one crocked smile or a funny look and a character gets branded as evil incarcerate. The same happens when characters start sweating or look a bit shocked or concerned, there not coded signals that say "That character will lose". If that were the case Goku would have lost to Nappa and 100% Frieza, Piccolo would have lost to imperfect Cell or Perfect Cell would have been killed by Vegeta.

First thing I want to say is, it's "lose" not "loose". That's a pet peeve of mine.

Beerus has been asking Goku if he'd be interested in being a god of Destruction since the end of the first arc. He has a gotten a lot stronger since then. Beerus was also lazy. He's been asleep all of Gokus life. So you can't tell me he was being proactive about finding a replacement. Your point was invalid

Also, Toppo is a CANDIDATE. Meaning there are others who were scouted out as well. By no means does that make him the most powerful. It's clear the alien who is implied to be Gokus rival. Not Toppo.

The only person who underestimated Buu was Dabura. Nobody else underestimated him because of his looks.

It's clear that Toppo is a powerful fighter. Gokus super saiyan form isn't very effective for someone like Tappo. While he's just a candidate, you do have to respect that he's an upper tier fighter. Why Goku doesn't pay him his respects and go straight to SSB I have no clue. so naturally we just go off of what the preview shows. And it shows Goku going from base to SSB while having Tappo look nervous. He finally starts to get serious It's not too far fetched to think Toppo will lose when he's not going to be his rival.

[dragonballgeek]

There's no episode next Sunday?

Yep. There won’t be an episode this week due to the Nagoya Women’s marathon, instead episode #82 will air March 19 in Japan.

Seriously!? Fuuuuuuuuuu

[Simere]

Those who root for believers in justice in anime should beware.

[MKJ]

I was wondering about Toppo's dialogue with Goku at the end. Is his power based on how "evil" his opponent is or was that just a goodie goodie talking to a perceived bad guy cliché? The way it was worded was as if he was going to test Goku to see how evil he is if at all and that the answer would determine the outcome.

[ckal9]

There's no episode next Sunday?

Yep. There won’t be an episode this week due to the Nagoya Women’s marathon, instead episode #82 will air March 19 in Japan.

Gotcha, thanks.

[SansrivaaL]

I was wondering about Toppo's dialogue with Goku at the end. Is his power based on how "evil" his opponent is or was that just a goodie goodie talking to a perceived bad guy cliché? The way it was worded was as if he was going to test Goku to see how evil he is if at all and that the answer would determine the outcome.

Yeah thats why I'm predicting it ends in a draw because Toppo read Goku wrong, after they battle for a while and clashing fists with Goku, he then realizes that Goku has no evil/ill intentions, that he is just that pure and naive that he would go to such lengths to get a good fight, he says "I've seen enough, youre pure, but it would be wise to think about the real threat than your selfish ambitions" Theres a 50-50 chance that Zeno may get pissed because he wants to watch more tho, Toppo may disappear before the actual tournament.

[Shinda Forever]

Toppo was shitting on his pants after he watched Goku going Blue. Goku is going to spank him badly.