Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

By that definition, a great amount of every book, story, movie, and so on, is "technically filler", because there's always a big deal that could be shortened or cut, and the main elements would still be there.

Like I said, I don't agree with calling filler to everything that isn't the main plot/main villain/main fight/main struggle. To me, filler is something that exists ONLY to stall for time. Ginyu, to me, has no less of a point than any other contestant in the tournament.

(Btw, at first you were saying that there was nothing entertaining about it, now you are saying that it was entertaining at first... )

[Noah]

Ginyu was never final villain material and he is still around to possibly do more stuff in the future.

Didn't he was killed by Coola and his brother?

[rereboy]

Ginyu was never final villain material and he is still around to possibly do more stuff in the future.

Didn't he was killed by Coola and his brother?

He is on Cold's body. Nothing else was shown. Until he is confirmed dead, I assume he is alive.

[Gog]

By that definition, a great amount of every book, story, movie, and so on, is "technically filler", because there's always a big deal that could be shortened or cut, and the main elements would still be there.

No, that's not what I mean. What I mean by that chapter being filler is that none of it mattered, everything went back to the norm, nothing changed and all of our times where wasted. Not that there's always a big deal that could be shortened or cut.

Like I said, I don't agree with calling filler to everything that isn't the main plot/main villain/main fight/main struggle. To me, filler is something that exists ONLY to stall for time. Ginyu, to me, has no less of a point than any other contestant in the tournament.

But nobody calls them filler, as they progress the plot in some way. The Ginyu nonsense we had to go through did not progress the plot in any way. Ended up being a complete and utter time waster and was such a disappointing waste of potential that the general opinion is that. It's not good.

(Btw, at first you were saying that there was nothing entertaining about it, now you are saying that it was entertaining at first... )

I remembered the existence of Ginyu-Bra and how much fun shehe was, I also subtracted a page that was literally just Bra Shilling.

[rereboy]

There's no real difference between the Ginyu fight and any other fight in the tournament. They all serve basically the same purpose. To me, it doesn't make sense to argue that it was a waste a time or filler because in that case pretty much all the other fights in the tournament besides the ones with the main villains would also be a waste a time or filler.

What you say is often too exaggerated and inconsistent. I was just pointing it out, do what you will.

[Gog]

The main difference between the Ginyu fight and all the other fights is that Ginyu's fight didn't progress anything. Absolutely nothing was accomplished in that battle, at least in the other fights it progressed the multiverse tournament. That's why it's called a waste of time and filler nothing was progressed, nothing of any substance happened. And it being a disappointing waste of potential didn't help it's case either.

Sorry....

[rereboy]

It had exactly the same purpose as the other fights, aka present a fight and situation that the readers might find entertaining. Being formally part of the tournament roster or not doesn't matter in the slightest because lots of the fights in the tournament could also easily not exist or not be part of the official tournament roster. What matters is their basic purpose and that's the same.

[Gog]

But the problem with that statement is that the fight was not entertaining for many of the readers. And it doesn't matter if it's not apart of the tournament roster, it matters if it progressed the plot in any way shape or form. Which the fight did not do. If many of the tournament fights vanished then it wouldn't be a tournament arc. And in the end it didn't progress the plot in any shape or form and it was a titanic time waster in the end.

You have yet to refute those two points.

[coola]

[Marco Polo]

Wow the artist literally gave up on composition, now it just looks like a side-scrolling platform game

[Gog]

Wow the artist literally gave up on composition, now it just looks like a side-scrolling platform game

I think it's meant to represent a comedic movement. Honestly I don't think it has any place being here.

[rereboy]

But the problem with that statement is that the fight was not entertaining for many of the readers.

That's purely a matter of subjective opinion. What matters is what it was trying to do, its purpose. And that was no different than the other fights.

[Gog]

But the problem with that statement is that the fight was not entertaining for many of the readers.

That's purely a matter of subjective opinion. What matters is what it was trying to do, its purpose. And that was no different than the other fights.

You're right in that is subjective opinion. The reason why it is a time waster, was that it didn't progress the plot in any shape or form and in the end nothing changed, There were no consequences. You could cut it out and nothing of substance would be lost.

[rereboy]

Like I've stated in my last posts, so could many of the tournament fights. We are going in circles.

[Gog]

Like I've stated in my last posts, so could many of the tournament fights. You are just repeating yourself.

Not once in this entire argument have you once made a proper argument for why the chapter was anything but a time waster. With you're main points being "I don't agree with this point as they all basically serve the same purpose, or that nearly all other fights in the tournament are technically filler, or that nearly everything else is filler as there's always a good deal that can be shortened or cut out."

You haven't managed to rebuttal the fact that nothing in the chapter really happened, and that nothing would have changed if you cut the chapter out. All of your points are well most of the tournament fights are filler! Even though those actually contributed to something or the fight had the same premise as the other fights, ignoring the fact that it was still filler and that it contributed nothing, or the nearly everything else is filler as you can cut it out or make it shorter.

Which, doesn't make any sense as filler is just useless padding that doesn't do anything, or contribute anything of any substance. Which is what the Ginyu chapter did.

[rereboy]

Not once in this entire argument have you once made a proper argument for why the chapter was anything but a time waster.

You are the one claiming that, somehow, just because the fight was, technically, not registered officially as a fight in the tournament, and because it's not the main villain, it's, somehow, very different from all the other fights and from the purposes followed by this fan manga, even though one of the main purposes of this fan manga is to try to present entertaining and enjoyable situations and fights.

Is that a "proper" argument? That's just a technical difference, not a practical, real difference.

But sure, whatever, it was all pointless, I gave no proper arguments and so on. Think whatever you like and continue to try justify your exaggerations. It's enough of this discussion to me.

[FoolsGil]

Is it wrong to feel a bit bad for Guldo?

[Noah]

Wow, Nail is quite savage eh?

[Gog]

Not once in this entire argument have you once made a proper argument for why the chapter was anything but a time waster.

You are the one claiming that, somehow, just because the fight was, technically, not registered officially as a fight in the tournament, and because it's not the main villain, it's, somehow, very different from all the other fights and from the purposes followed by this fan manga, even though one of the main purposes of this fan manga is to try to present entertaining and enjoyable situations and fights.

Never once have I argued that because the fight was not registered in the main tournament and because it wasn't fighting against the main villain that's what made it the filler in the first place. No I argued that because the fight never progressed anything, of any kind, or had any consequences of any kind, or the fact that you could easily cut out the whole entire chapter and that it would still work really well.

Just because it's a fight does not exempt it from being filler, otherwise by that logic than the Copy-Vegeta arc wouldn't be filler as it has the same premise as every Dragon Ball Plot.

Is that a "proper" argument? That's just a technical difference, not a practical, real difference.

It is a proper argument. And it is a practical, real difference.

But sure, whatever, it was all pointless, I gave no proper arguments and so on. Think whatever you like and continue to try justify your exaggerations. It's enough of this discussion to me.

Oh no you have ton's of arguments the problem is that the arguments haven't really justified why the chapter isn't anything but a filler. Your right this is the end of the discussion because I can't see how I'm going to argue any more against an opponent who hasn't even taken the time to properly understand my arguments.

[coola]