Unpopular DB opinions

[Char Aznable]

I actually find the training part of the Saiyan Arc really unnecessarily long and drawn out. There's a lot of great moments in there, but I've always thought it overstayed its welcome.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I actually find the training part of the Saiyan Arc really unnecessarily long and drawn out. There's a lot of great moments in there, but I've always thought it overstayed its welcome.

It's not for everyone, but for those of us who like that kind of thing, it's a major detriment to our viewing experience of Kai in particular.

[MasenkoHA]

The training part or really the whole Saiyan filler is probably the best/most tolerable filler. Some of the episodes particularly the Gohan ones were quite good.


Consider how awful the Namek filler was.

[Char Aznable]

Oh yeah, the Namek filler is absolutely horrible, but I think that's a given. I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, so this is the perfect thread! I think the content of the Saiyan filler for the most part is good, but I just feel it goes on for way too long. I admit I do get slightly bored with it, because I feel it drags.

[KorgDTR2000]

The training part or really the whole Saiyan filler is probably the best/most tolerable filler. Some of the episodes particularly the Gohan ones were quite good.


Consider how awful the Namek filler was.

I haven't watched the anime since it first aired in America so there's twenty years of fog in my memories and I still remember how awful that filler could get.

I was actually ready to quit watching the show. I remember the Freeza fight going on week after week and I was just waiting for Goku to go SSJ (spoiled by a toy commercial) and it wasn't happening. I was watching it at my friend's house and I told him I was going to quit watching after the episode we were watching and then naturally the preview for the next episode gave it away that it was finally going to happen.

[Char Aznable]

The training part or really the whole Saiyan filler is probably the best/most tolerable filler. Some of the episodes particularly the Gohan ones were quite good.


Consider how awful the Namek filler was.

I haven't watched the anime since it first aired in America so there's twenty years of fog in my memories and I still remember how awful that filler could get.

I was actually ready to quit watching the show. I remember the Freeza fight going on week after week and I was just waiting for Goku to go SSJ (spoiled by a toy commercial) and it wasn't happening. I was watching it at my friend's house and I told him I was going to quit watching after the episode we were watching and then naturally the preview for the next episode gave it away that it was finally going to happen.

See (another unpopular opinion), I was so enthralled by the lengthy Freeza fight. I remember tuning in every day and I was really excited. I knew in the back of my mind that Freeza survived that big attack that Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, or Goku (kind of in that order) just did, but my eyes were glued to the television when the smoke was still clearing wondering if the attack worked or not. I knew SSJ was a thing sort of, I've seen the toys, but I wasn't really 'spoiled' about it until later on as the fight was still airing (I remember they took some breaks during the fight for reruns, at least I think so, maybe I'm wrong) when I found fansites like DaizEX, Planet Namek, Ultimate DBZ Info Site, or DBZ Uncensored and basically spent the entire day surfing them. This was also how I was introduced to the Japanese version, especially Planet Namek which had all those low quality video clips I'd play on repeat all the time.

So if this thread has made me realize anything it's that when it comes to some fillers, maybe I have some weird taste. I do like the Freeza arc overall more than the Saiyan arc, that probably contributes to it too.

[Noah]

DBS Goku is basically a giant wake up call to most fans. He IS Goku in his purest form. The only issue I have with DBS Goku is that they play up his stupid side a little too much. His selfishness is something that I don't mind at all. I enjoy it a lot, actually.

Dub Goku is so far away from who Goku really is that it's not even close. You can't tell me with a straight face that dub Goku is a more accurate version of Goku compared to DBS Goku.

I don't think so, people who complain about Goku's character in Super are not just fanatic Dub fans, most members in this forum certainly had watched the whole series with subs, so their complaints are valid. Goku doesn't look mature as he was in Z, his portrayal is Super is inconsistent, often making he look like a clown.

[DBZ Macky]

The Saiyan arc has the best fights in all of Dragon Ball and the highest stakes as well. The Freeza arc doesn't even compare, not to mention the other stuff.

Dragon Ball Super is actually quite enjoyable.

[ABED]

The Saiyan arc has the best fights in all of Dragon Ball and the highest stakes as well. The Freeza arc doesn't even compare, not to mention the other stuff.

Dragon Ball Super is actually quite enjoyable.

How were the stakes higher in the Saiyan arc?

The Saiyan arc fights being the best is hardly an unpopular opinion. I agree. They are among my favorites.

[DBZ Macky]

The Saiyan arc has the best fights in all of Dragon Ball and the highest stakes as well. The Freeza arc doesn't even compare, not to mention the other stuff.

Dragon Ball Super is actually quite enjoyable.

How were the stakes higher in the Saiyan arc?

The Saiyan arc fights being the best is hardly an unpopular opinion. I agree. They are among my favorites.

1. Chiaotzu was permanently dead
2. Piccolo was permanently dead
3. Everyone who was dead was now permanently dead
4. Oh good job defeating Nappa Goku, now fight this guy who's like 4x stronger.
5. Good job beating him, there, he increased his power by 10x.
6. Good job cutting his tail, too bad he's still gonna fuck everyone in base.

First Nappa and then Vegeta just wouldn't fucking die.

[ABED]

1. Chiaotzu was permanently dead
2. Piccolo was permanently dead
3. Everyone who was dead was now permanently dead
4. Oh good job defeating Nappa Goku, now fight this guy who's like 4x stronger.
5. Good job beating him, there, he increased his power by 10x.
6. Good job cutting his tail, too bad he's still gonna fuck everyone in base.

First Nappa and then Vegeta just wouldn't fucking die.

Piccolo wasn't permanently dead. I don't see how the stakes were lower in the Saiyan arc. In the Freeza arc, the stakes were just as big if not bigger. If Freeza won, game over for everyone. Both have fights where the main character can't lose or everything that matters to him will perish. Not to be condescending, but it doesn't seem like you quite grasp what stakes are. Stakes are what happens if the character(s) do/don't achieve their goal.

[dbs fanboy]

Huh? What's the context in this situation?

That making fun of a kid with down syndrome to make a point on an internet forum makes you an asshole.

Ok, i'm going to sound stupid, and call me blind if you want (and this is off topic), but i couldn't tell at first, i thought that he was a regular guy.....

All right, back to the topic, while the last episode was a step down in comparison with the other two ones (in terms of animation), i really liked that moment where Goku is punching giant Bergamo, with Bergamo counteratacking while growing, i loved the rotations there.

[Char Aznable]

The Saiyan arc has the best fights in all of Dragon Ball and the highest stakes as well. The Freeza arc doesn't even compare, not to mention the other stuff.

Dragon Ball Super is actually quite enjoyable.

How were the stakes higher in the Saiyan arc?

The Saiyan arc fights being the best is hardly an unpopular opinion. I agree. They are among my favorites.

1. Chiaotzu was permanently dead
2. Piccolo was permanently dead
3. Everyone who was dead was now permanently dead
4. Oh good job defeating Nappa Goku, now fight this guy who's like 4x stronger.
5. Good job beating him, there, he increased his power by 10x.
6. Good job cutting his tail, too bad he's still gonna fuck everyone in base.

First Nappa and then Vegeta just wouldn't fucking die.

I agree that the fights in the Saiyan arc were fantastic and the stakes were high (I wouldn't call them the highest but they were high), and half the main cast dying supposedly for good really hits home. I just want them to hurry up and get to the damn fight already, haha.

I like the Freeza arc more than the Saiyan arc (Cell is my favorite), but I don't not like the Saiyan arc.

[KorgDTR2000]

The training part or really the whole Saiyan filler is probably the best/most tolerable filler. Some of the episodes particularly the Gohan ones were quite good.


Consider how awful the Namek filler was.

I haven't watched the anime since it first aired in America so there's twenty years of fog in my memories and I still remember how awful that filler could get.

I was actually ready to quit watching the show. I remember the Freeza fight going on week after week and I was just waiting for Goku to go SSJ (spoiled by a toy commercial) and it wasn't happening. I was watching it at my friend's house and I told him I was going to quit watching after the episode we were watching and then naturally the preview for the next episode gave it away that it was finally going to happen.

See (another unpopular opinion), I was so enthralled by the lengthy Freeza fight. I remember tuning in every day and I was really excited. I knew in the back of my mind that Freeza survived that big attack that Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, or Goku (kind of in that order) just did, but my eyes were glued to the television when the smoke was still clearing wondering if the attack worked or not. I knew SSJ was a thing sort of, I've seen the toys, but I wasn't really 'spoiled' about it until later on as the fight was still airing (I remember they took some breaks during the fight for reruns, at least I think so, maybe I'm wrong) when I found fansites like DaizEX, Planet Namek, Ultimate DBZ Info Site, or DBZ Uncensored and basically spent the entire day surfing them. This was also how I was introduced to the Japanese version, especially Planet Namek which had all those low quality video clips I'd play on repeat all the time.

So if this thread has made me realize anything it's that when it comes to some fillers, maybe I have some weird taste. I do like the Freeza arc overall more than the Saiyan arc, that probably contributes to it too.

In Canada the intro had SSJ Goku (along with Trunks and Vegeta) in it from the beginning, so that was always spoiled. But what specifically spoiled me was a toy commercial (or some other commercial) that showed SSJ Goku fighting Freeza. Thinking back, I wonder what idiot decided to run that commercial. But the point is, knowing what was coming made the wait unbearable (I was no thrilled with the new voices either. I wrote an angry email to YTV complaining about it).

[MasenkoHA]

The first US opening (Rock the Dragon) also spoiled: Goku going super saiyan, Vegeta being a super saiyan, and the existence of Trunk and him also going Super Saiyan

[WobbuSleuth]

If you think about it, then Saiyan saga is suitable for the role of the final much better than any saga that came out afterwards.
Let me explain:
1) Almost every storyline with loose ends from previous arcs (save for Launch) are resolved if we wouldn't count mention of Namek and almost every Z-fighter's deaths.
2) Goku learns about his past, about the truth about the death of his grandfather (btw, it was last mention about him in the manga) and takes it all.
3) Gohan's character development may considered to be finished (and Piccolo's too).
4) Almost the main moral of the whole story is visible here in full force, by the example of Goku and Vegeta battle.
"Even a left-behind might be able to overcome an elite, if he tries desperately enough."
"An amusing joke."

Not to mention, that saga is last time when Z-Fighters besides Sayians and Piccolo were still somewhat useful, fantasy and sci-fi elements were balanced and battles were more "martial artsy"

[MasenkoHA]

^That's true. Saiyan Saga is a fitting end to Dragon Ball even if means Yamcha, Piccolo, Chiotzu, and Tenshenhan are gone forever.

[ABED]

It's not a fitting end as there isn't full resolution to the plot threads. Just Goku letting Vegeta go the way he did makes it feel incomplete. It's not like when he let Piccolo live since he won in decisive fashion in that fight.

[Char Aznable]

The first US opening (Rock the Dragon) also spoiled: Goku going super saiyan, Vegeta being a super saiyan, and the existence of Trunk and him also going Super Saiyan

Oh yeah, you're right, I completely forgot about that. Okay, so it was spoiled for me (hard to remember everything from back in 1997-2000), but I know for a fact the Freeza fight kept me on the edge of my seat.

[Noah]

The best end for Dragon Ball would be the Freeza arc, but with everyone in King Kai's Planet staying dead, Piccolo and Vegeta too, Goku killed by the explosion of Namek (Freeza was ultimately defeated), Gohan and Bulma the only ones who have succeeded in surving this climatic battle with the two sets of Dragon Balls permanently erased from existence.