Goku's ''new form'' is just the red SSGod + Kaioken (Theory)

julianix · Post by **julianix** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:44 pm

I think it would be smart for them to retcon and make ssgodred officially stronger than ssjblue . It only makes sense.

MagmonKai · Post by **MagmonKai** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:59 pm

julianix wrote:I think it would be smart for them to retcon and make ssgodred officially stronger than ssjblue . It only makes sense.

It certainly felt stronger than Blue. I mean he was fighting toe to toe with Beerus the Destroyer. Although he hasn't fought Beerus with Blue, it seems like he's still vastly superior than Blue.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:07 pm

MagmonKai wrote:
julianix wrote:I think it would be smart for them to retcon and make ssgodred officially stronger than ssjblue . It only makes sense.
It certainly felt stronger than Blue. I mean he was fighting toe to toe with Beerus the Destroyer. Although he hasn't fought Beerus with Blue, it seems like he's still vastly superior than Blue.

Forgetting the retellings (since Toriyama wasn't involved and more with the movies) just based in the movie it honestly did not at all, he spent the entire SSG time getting his ass kicked and only started gaining the upperhand once SSG timed out and he went regular SS, even then as you said he hasn't fought Beerus since so I don't understand how SSG could feel "vastly superior" kind of a big assumption to make base on not much facts. Not to mention Beerus never used 100% of his power throughout the entire battle, he only went "toe to toe" because Beerus allowed him.

gohan_black · Post by **gohan_black** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:46 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
MagmonKai wrote:
julianix wrote:I think it would be smart for them to retcon and make ssgodred officially stronger than ssjblue . It only makes sense.
It certainly felt stronger than Blue. I mean he was fighting toe to toe with Beerus the Destroyer. Although he hasn't fought Beerus with Blue, it seems like he's still vastly superior than Blue.
Forgetting the retellings (since Toriyama wasn't involved and more with the movies) just based in the movie it honestly did not at all, he spent the entire SSG time getting his ass kicked and only started gaining the upperhand once SSG timed out and he went regular SS, even then as you said he hasn't fought Beerus since so I don't understand how SSG could feel "vastly superior" kind of a big assumption to make base on not much facts. Not to mention Beerus never used 100% of his power throughout the entire battle, he only went "toe to toe" because Beerus allowed him.

beerus did not really fought seriously. he holded back to taste goku's limits

Simere · Post by **Simere** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:16 pm

And they were delectable. Umai, umai, umai!

Zamasu55 · Post by **Zamasu55** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:22 pm

Simere wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:This just reminds me of the "Black is Goten" theory, really.
Goku himself states he can no longer use the Kaiohken, and anyway both Ssj God and Kaiohken's aura are completely different.

It's a new form and I think Goku's finally going to surpass Beerus.
He didn't say he can't use it anymore, he said he wouldn't use it for awhile; presumably till he's mastered it further. He did in fact use it again against Merged Zamasu.

He used it for two seconds.

Simere · Post by **Simere** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:31 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:
Simere wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:This just reminds me of the "Black is Goten" theory, really.
Goku himself states he can no longer use the Kaiohken, and anyway both Ssj God and Kaiohken's aura are completely different.

It's a new form and I think Goku's finally going to surpass Beerus.
He didn't say he can't use it anymore, he said he wouldn't use it for awhile; presumably till he's mastered it further. He did in fact use it again against Merged Zamasu.
He used it for two seconds.

Yes, which is vastly longer than never, and long enough to knock the halo out of Zamasu.

ChronoTwigger · Post by **ChronoTwigger** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:03 pm

If you use the opening as hint... not at all.
That red aura is EXACTLY the same as the guy is fighting, no kaiohken at all (shape, movement and HEX color code are the enemy one, and NO kaiohken).

If you're just speculating how a new form can be introduced now... think of how SSGod was introduced, the Sayan party XD.
So everything is possible and it's a little early to speculate.

KingKaash · Post by **KingKaash** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:50 am

For the first time ever, I'm not tripping about a new transformation. If it happens, yay. If it doesn't, I'm fine because SSB is plenty strong enough and we've had plenty of transformations already

I honestly hope this is not a new transformation but some kind of new technique

Simere · Post by **Simere** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:30 am

After this episode, let there be no more argument that Goku can't use SSBKK again.

ckal9 · Post by **ckal9** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:13 pm

ChiefWamsutta wrote:I'm feeling that it will be mastered Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken.

Although i would love to see SSGod back!

Yeah it will probably have something do with Goku mastering KK as he's used it twice since the first time against hit (against Zamasu and Bergamo).

I would like SSG to come back as well as long as they give a definitive answer in regards to its power/abilities and where it sits in comparison to SSB.

ChiefWamsutta · Post by **ChiefWamsutta** » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:58 pm

ckal9 wrote:
ChiefWamsutta wrote:I'm feeling that it will be mastered Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken.

Although i would love to see SSGod back!

Yeah it will probably have something do with Goku mastering KK as he's used it twice since the first time against hit (against Zamasu and Bergamo).

I would like SSG to come back as well as long as they give a definitive answer in regards to its power/abilities and where it sits in comparison to SSB.

Mastered Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken will be called Super Saiyan Violet.

You know what? They probably wouldn't give a good reason why SSGod came back anyways. Then we would all be skeptical why Goku never used it in the past. I'm fine with not seeing it again for Goku.

If they did the SSGod ritual for Gohan I would like that. Gohan, Pan, Goten, and Trunks go SS while Goku and Vegeta go SSB; this could result in a very strong Gohan.

Asura · Post by **Asura** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:08 am

Zamasu55 wrote:Goku himself states he can no longer use the Kaiohken

...?

He just used it last episode...?

Nejishiki · Post by **Nejishiki** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:57 am

Peruse Zamasu55's time stamp. Dragon Ball Super Episode 81 wasn't airing yet when that message was composed.

Asura · Post by **Asura** » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:36 am

Nejishiki wrote:Peruse Zamasu55's time stamp. Dragon Ball Super Episode 81 wasn't airing yet when that message was composed.

Even so, I can't ever recall Goku saying he can "no longer use Kaioken", so I don't see why there was a reason to assume we wouldn't see it again. If he did make a statement like that, it would have been at the end of the U6 arc. But we saw Goku use it against Merged Zamasu so...

vashter · Post by **vashter** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:32 am

If you go to youtube and look for the opening video again, go to 1:16 where part goku cut red aura slice in a half by the time he fly though the screen, pause it, look around his body it a white aura while his hair is base form, I'm betting they had to change the color so it doesn't reveal it same way an error mistake that Jiren alien guy replace by Toppo during the opening.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:25 am

Asura wrote:
Nejishiki wrote:Peruse Zamasu55's time stamp. Dragon Ball Super Episode 81 wasn't airing yet when that message was composed.
Even so, I can't ever recall Goku saying he can "no longer use Kaioken", so I don't see why there was a reason to assume we wouldn't see it again. If he did make a statement like that, it would have been at the end of the U6 arc. But we saw Goku use it against Merged Zamasu so...

Yeah the only thing was Kaio told Goku not to be reckless and since then Goku has never gone full x10 at all.

kinisking · Post by **kinisking** » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:07 pm

Nejishiki wrote:Peruse Zamasu55's time stamp. Dragon Ball Super Episode 81 wasn't airing yet when that message was composed.

What about episode 66?

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:58 am

Welp... we may be onto something here folks:
[spoiler]

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Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:07 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Welp... we may be onto something here folks:
[spoiler][/spoiler]

SSGSS is stronger than SSG that's a fact so Goku's new form being SSGKK doesn't make sense.

Kanzenshuu

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