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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by LightBing » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:46 am

Blackstripe wrote:
LightBing wrote:Piccolo Daimao
- Young – 225

Goku
- Post Choushinsui – 220
Huh? You put Ultra Holy Water Gokuu beneath Young Piccolo Daimao? The Piccolo that was getting pushed back pretty much the entire fight and had to resort to tricks? I mean, he managed to cripple one of Gokuu's legs, and STILL got his ass beat. He had to take Tien hostage to truly turn things around.
That's not how I remembered it.

Goku had the upper hand at the start of the fight, in-part because Piccolo Daimao was shocked with the situation(affected mentally). After Daimao somewhat recovered his composure the fight was even, Goku used his battle smarts to help make it so, like his guided Kamehameha.
Meanwhile Piccolo damaged Goku's, with the later using the nyoi-bõ to fight. After successfully disarming Goku, Piccolo went for the kill expending a huge amount of energy in a full-powered attack. Which didn't hit because Tenshinhan saved Goku.
Following this Piccolo once again used the same attack, which Goku tanked suffering heavy damage. Only after this did Piccolo took Tenshinhan hostage. The rest is history.

Remember that power levels are a measurement of ki. Piccolo had more than Goku. He only lost because he's a worst fighter and stupider than Goku and due to Goku dodging his best attack in the whole fight without taking a single scratch, while Daimao saw his energy go down by a lot. Even Goku points out this fact.
Had the first attack hit, Goku would either be dead or so messed that he would lose for sure.

3% is actually to little. 5-7% difference would probably be better. I really have to remake my numbers.

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:11 am

MULTIPLIERS

Oozaru – 10x
Super Saiyan – 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 75x
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 100x
Super Saiyan 2 – 100x
Super Saiyan 3 – 200x


Raditz Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 1
Enraged – 1,307

Son Goku – 416
Piccolo – 408
Tenshinhan – 250
Kuririn – 206
Yamcha – 177
Chaozu – 150
Yajirobe – 145
Muten Roshi – 139

Kaio of the North – 5,000
Enma Daio – 2,500
Kami of Earth – 325
Mr. Popo – 275

Raditz – 1,200
Oozaru – 12,000[/spoiler]


Saiyan Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 8,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 16,000
Kaio-Ken x3 – 24,000
Kaio-Ken x4 – 32,000

Son Gohan – 1,200
Enraged – 2,800
Oozaru – 12,000

Piccolo – 2,500
Tenshinhan – 1,800
Kuririn – 1,500
Yamcha – 1,300
Chaozu – 1,000
Yajirobe – 800

Saibaimen – 1,200

Nappa – 7,500
Oozaru – 75,000

Vegeta – 18,000
Oozaru – 180,000[/spoiler]


Namek Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 90,000
Kaio-Ken x2 – 180,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 900,000

Vegeta – 24,000
Post-recovery – 30,000
Post-recovery 2 – 50,000

Son Gohan – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 15,000
Post-recovery – 30,000

Kuririn – 1,500
Power Unlocked – 12,500

Dende – 250
Power Unlocked – 1,000

Muri – 1,500
Young Namekians – 3,000
Nail – 42,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
Kwi – 18,000
Dodoria – 20,000

Zarbon – 22,000
Transformed – 30,000

Gurd – 1,000
Recoome – 40,000
Butta – 40,000
Jheese – 40,000
Captain Ginyu – 120,000

Freeza – 530,000[/spoiler]


Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,000,000
Kaio-Ken x10 – 20,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 – 40,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Vegeta – 500,000
Post-recovery – 1,700,000

Son Gohan – 100,000
Enraged – 750,000
Post-recovery – 400,000
Enraged – 1,500,000

Piccolo – 125,000
Merged with Nail – 1,250,000

Kuririn – 12,500

Freeza – 530,000
Second Form – 800,000
Power-Up 1 – 900,000
Power-Up 2 – 1,050,000
Third Form – 1,575,000
True Form – 2,100,000
50% Power – 45,000,000
70% Power – 63,000,000
100% Power – 90,000,000[/spoiler]


Mecha Freeza Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Trunks – 2,100,000
Super Saiyan – 105,000,000

Vegeta – 1,850,000
Piccolo – 1,500,000
Son Gohan – 400,000
Tenshinhan – 15,000
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 5,000

Freeza Soldiers – 1,250
King Cold – 85,000,000
Mecha Freeza – 95,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc I


[spoiler]Future Gohan – 2,000,000
Super Saiyan – 100,000,000

Kid Trunks – 40,000
Super Saiyan – 2,000,000

Future Android 18 – 150,000,000
Future Android 17 – 150,000,000[/spoiler]


Artificial Human Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 2,500,000
Super Saiyan – 125,000,000

Son Goku – 2,400,000
Super Saiyan – 120,000,000

Trunks – 2,200,000
Super Saiyan – 110,000,000

Piccolo – 100,000,000
Gohan – 2,000,000
Tenshinhan – 18,000
Kuririn – 15,000
Yamcha – 12,000
Chaozu – 6,000

Android 19 – 50,000,000
Post-absorption – 75,000,000

Android 20 – 60,000,000
Post-absorption – 80,000,000

Android 18 – 150,000,000
Android 17 – 150,000,000
Android 16 – 180,000,000

Cell – 130,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Arc


[spoiler]Vegeta – 4,500,000
Super Saiyan – 225,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 337,500,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 450,000,000

Trunks – 4,400,000
Super Saiyan – 220,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 2 – 330,000,000
Super Saiyan Grade 3 – 440,000,000

Piccolo – 150,000,000

Android 18 – 150,000,000
Android 17 – 150,000,000
Android 16 – 180,000,000

Cell – 180,000,000
Second Form – 225,000,000
Full Power – 275,000,000
Perfect Form – 325,000,000
Power Up – 400,000,000
Bulked Up – 475,000,000[/spoiler]


Cell Games Arc


[spoiler]Son Gohan – 24,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,400,000,000
Injured – 1,100,000,000

Son Goku – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000

Vegeta – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Piccolo – 600,000,000
Android 16 – 180,000,000

Cell Juniors – 750,000,000

Perfect Cell – 1,050,000,000
Full Speed – 1,200,000,000
Full Power – 1,500,000,000
Bulked Up – 1,800,000,000
"Super Perfect" – 2,000,000,000[/spoiler]


Future Arc II


[spoiler]Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000
3 Years Later – 17,000,000
Super Saiyan – 850,000,000

Future Android 18 – 150,000,000
Future Android 17 – 150,000,000
Cell – 180,000,000[/spoiler]


Buu Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 25,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,250,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 5,000,000,000

Vegeta – 22,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,100,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,200,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 [Majin boost] – 2,500,000,000

Son Gohan – 20,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,000,000,000
Ultimate – 15,000,000,000

Son Goten – 10,000,000
Super Saiyan – 500,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 12,000,000
Super Saiyan – 600,000,000

Trunks – 10,500,000
Super Saiyan – 525,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 12,000,000
Super Saiyan – 600,000,000

Gotenks – 100,000,000
Super Saiyan – 5,000,000,000
Post-RoSaT – 120,000,000
Super Saiyan – 6,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 12,000,000,000

Vegetto – 1,000,000,000
Super Saiyan – 50,000,000,000

Piccolo – 750,000,000
Tenshinhan – 22,500
Kuririn – 12,500
Yamcha – 10,000
Chaozu – 7,500

Kibito – 1,000,000
Kaioshin of the East - 900,000,000
Merged – 4,000,000,000

Pui Pui – 6,000
Yakon – 30,000,000
Dabra – 1,500,000,000

Pure Boo – 5,000,000,000
Buff Boo – 11,000,000,000
Majin Boo – 4,500,000,000
Evil Boo – 2,500,000,000
Good Boo – 2,000,000,000
Super Boo – 10,000,000,000
+ Piccolo – 10,750,000,000
+ Gotenks – 22,000,000,000
+ Son Gohan – 25,000,000,000[/spoiler]


28th Tenkaichi Budokai Arc


[spoiler]Son Goku – 30,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 3,000,000,000
Super Saiyan 3 – 6,000,000,000

Vegeta – 28,000,000
Super Saiyan – 1,400,000,000
Super Saiyan 2 – 2,800,000,000

Son Goten – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Trunks – 15,000,000
Super Saiyan – 750,000,000

Son Gohan – 15,000,000,000
Mister Boo– 2,000,000,000
Piccolo – 950,000,000
Oob – 25,000,000
Pan – 500,000[/spoiler]

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Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Black Hawk » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:15 pm

Revised my old list of battle powers from a good while back and calculated quite a few different numbers this time around. Just thought I'd share.

Note: These specifically apply to the Dragon Ball manga, the Yo! Son Gokū and His Friends Return!! manga, and the Dragon Ball Super manga, including my predictions for Chapter 22 and the start of the Tournament of Power. (The Golden Freeza arc section is kind of my speculation on how it would have played out in the DBS manga, since that never happened.)

Disclaimer: These numbers aren't intended to be exact or precise; they're intended to be more of rough approximations or ballpark numbers.

WARNING: LOTS OF DRAGON BALL SUPER SPOILERS THE FARTHER DOWN THE LIST YOU GO.

MULTIPLIERS
[spoiler]Ōzaru - x10
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin Grade 2 - x75
Super Saiyaijn Grade 3 - x100
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Upgraded Super Saiyajin 2 - x500 (the form Trunks used when sparring with Gokū)
Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - x5000 (the form Vegeta used against Beerus)
Super Saiyajin Red - x40000 (aside from first use, which was x50000)
Super Saiyajin Blue - x50000
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming the powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming the powers are equal; less of a boost the less equal they are)[/spoiler]

SAIYAJIN ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 334
-Unweighted - 416
-After Training - 8,000
-Kaiōken x2 - 16,000
-Kaiōken x3 - 24,000
-Kaiōken x4 - 32,000

Piccolo - 322
-Unweighted - 408
-After Training - 3,500

Son Gohan - 1
-Angry - 710
-Enraged - 1,307
-After Training - 981
-Ōzaru - 9,810

Kuririn - 206
-After Training - 1,770

Tenshinhan - 250
-After Training - 1,830

Yamcha - 177
-After Training - 1,480

Chaozu - 140
-After Training - 610

Yajirobe - 180
-After Training - 970

Saibaiman - 1,200

Raditz - 1,500

Nappa - 4,000

Vegeta - 18,000
-Ōzaru - 180,000[/spoiler]

FREEZA ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 90,000
-Kaiōken x2 - 180,000
-Rejuvinated - 3,000,000
-Kaiōken x10 - 30,000,000
-Kaiōken x20 - 60,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 150,000,000

Vegeta - 24,000
-Rejuvinated - 30,000
-Rejuvinated Again - 60,000
-Rejuvinated Yet Again - 250,000
-Rejuvinated Once Again - 2,500,000

Piccolo - 120,000
-Merged with Nail - 1,200,000
-Unweighted - 1,500,000

Son Gohan - 1,500
-Potential Unlocked - 14,000
-Rejuvinated - 100,000
-Angry - 1,000,000
-Rejuvinated Again - 200,000
-Angry - 2,000,000

Kuririn - 1,500
-Potential Unlocked - 13,000
-Powered Up - 75,000

Tenshinhan - 70,000

Yamcha - 50,000

Chaozu - 40,000

Nail - 42,000

Kiwi - 18,000

Dodoria - 22,000

Zarbon - 23,000
-Transformed - 28,000

Gurt - 10,000

Reacoom - 40,000

Butta - 40,000

Jheese - 40,000

Ginyū - 120,000
-Gokū's Body - 23,000

Freeza
-First Form - 530,000
-Second Form - 1,060,000
-Third Form - 2,120,000
-Final Form - 4,000,000
-50% Power - 60,000,000
-100% Power - 120,000,000[/spoiler]

CELL ARC
[spoiler]IN THE FUTURE

Future Trunks - 60,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,000,000

Future Son Gohan - 3,600,000
-Super Saiyajin - 180,000,000

Future No. 18 - 300,000,000

Future No. 17 - 350,000,000

IN THE PRESENT

Son Gohan - 250,000
-After Training - 2,500,000
-After More Training - 75,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,750,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 7,500,000,000

Son Gokū - 3,600,000
-Super Saiyajin - 180,000,000
-After Training - 5,500,000
-Super Saiyajin - 275,000,000
-After More Training - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Vegeta - 3,000,000
-After Training - 6,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 300,000,000
-After More Training - 20,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Grade 2 - 1,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Grade 3 - 2,000,000,000
-After Even More Training - 60,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,000,000,000

Future Trunks - 3,400,000
-Super Saiyajin - 170,000,000
-After Training - 5,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 250,000,000
-After More Training - 20,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Grade 2 - 1,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Grade 3 - 2,000,000,000
-After Even More Training - 60,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,000,000,000

Piccolo - 2,000,000
-After Training - 200,000,000
-Merged with Kami - 400,000,000
-After More Training - 1,000,000,000

Kuririn - 100,000
-After Training - 200,000

Tenshinhan - 90,000
-After Training - 180,000

Yamcha - 75,000
-After Training - 150,000

Chaozu - 60,000
-After Training - 120,000

Freeza - 150,000,000

Cold - 150,000,000

No. 20 - 150,000,000

No. 19 - 150,000,000

No. 18 - 350,000,000

No. 17 - 400,000,000

No. 16 - 500,000,000

Cell Junior - 3,500,000,000

Cell
-First Form - 250,000,000
-More Absorptions - 500,000,000
-Second Form - 1,000,000,000
-Perfect Form - 1,500,000,000
-Power Weighted - 2,000,000,000
-Full Power - 4,500,000,000
-Power Weighted - 6,750,000,000
-Regenerated - 7,500,000,000

IN THE FUTURE

Future Trunks - 60,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,000,000,000
-After Training - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Future No. 18 - 300,000,000

Future No. 17 - 350,000,000

Future Cell - 250,000,000[/spoiler]

MAJIN BOO ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 80,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 32,000,000,000

Vegeta - 75,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,750,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 7,500,000,000
-Bobbidi Boost - 80,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 8,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 75,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,750,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 7,500,000,000
-After Training - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 10,000,000,000
-Elder Kaiōshin Power Up - 200,000,000,000

Piccolo - 2,000,000,000

Trunks - 20,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000
-After Training - 30,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,500,000,000

Son Goten - 20,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,000,000,000
-After Training - 30,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,500,000,000

Gotenks - 200,000,000
-After Training - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000

Kuririn - 250,000

Tenshinhan - 240,000

Yamcha - 200,000

Chaozu - 180,000

No. 18 - 350,000,000

Shin - 2,500,000,000

Kibito - 500,000,000

Kibitoshin - 7,500,000,000

Pui Pui - 1,000,000

Yakon - 100,000,000

Dabra - 4,000,000,000

Majin Boo
-Innocent - 10,000,000,000
-Pure Evil - 20,000,000,000
-Pure - 30,000,000,000
-Evil - 100,000,000,000
-Piccolo Absorbed - 105,000,000,000
-Gotenks Absorbed - 222,000,000,000
-Son Gohan Absorbed - 305,000,000,000

Vegetto - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 800,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 3,200,000,000,000

IN THE FUTURE

Future Trunks - 75,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,750,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 7,500,000,000

Future Pui Pui - 1,000,000

Future Yakon - 100,000,000

Future Dabra - 4,000,000,000[/spoiler]

TARBLE ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 40,000,000,000

Vegeta - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 10,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 200,000,000,000

Piccolo - 2,500,000,000

Trunks - 35,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,750,000,000

Son Goten - 35,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,750,000,000

Gotenks - 350,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 17,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 140,000,000,000

Kuririn - 250,000

Tenshinhan - 240,000

Yamcha - 200,000

Chaozu - 180,000

No. 18 - 350,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Tarble - 250,000

Avo - 500,000

Cado - 500,000

Avocado - 50,000,000[/spoiler]

HAKAISHIN BEERUS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 120,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 6,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 12,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 48,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Red - 6,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 120,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 6,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 12,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 600,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 200,000,000,000

Piccolo - 3,000,000,000

Trunks - 40,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 2,000,000,000

Son Goten - 40,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 2,000,000,000

Gotenks - 400,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 20,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 40,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 160,000,000,000

Kuririn - 250,000

Tenshinhan - 240,000

Yamcha - 200,000

Chaozu - 180,000

No. 18 - 350,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Beerus - 10,000,000,000,000

Whis - 15,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

GOLDEN FREEZA ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 140,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 14,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 56,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,000,000,000,000

Vegeta 140,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 14,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 700,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 200,000,000,000

Piccolo - 3,000,000,000

Kuririn - 250,000

Tenshinhan - 240,000

Turtle Hermit - 180

Jaco - 1,000

Freeza
-First Form - 530,000
-Second Form - 1,060,000
-Third Form - 2,120,000
-Final Form - 120,000,000
-Golden Form - 8,000,000,000,000
-Stamina Depleted - 4,000,000,000,000

Note: My reasoning for Freeza's lower levels here is that, in the Dragon Ball Super manga, never once is it demonstrated that Gokū and/or Vegeta retained the power of Super Saiyajin Red. I believe that a hypothetical Golden Freeza arc of the manga would also have reflected this, perhaps with Gohan remarking something along the lines of "Freeza's hiding a terrifying power that I can't even hope to match," when asked if he could defeat Freeza. Aside from this, I believe that it would have gone much the same as the the manga adaptation of the movie.[/spoiler]

HAKAISHIN CHAMPA ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 150,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Red - 6,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,500,000,000,000

Vegeta - 150,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 15,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 750,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,500,000,000,000

Piccolo - 3,500,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Botamo - 100,000,000

Frost
-First Form - 17,500,000
-Second Form - 35,000,000
-Third Form - 70,000,000
-Final Form - 4,000,000,000

Cabba - 100,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 5,000,000,000

Auta Magetta - 5,000,000,000

Hit - 10,000,000,000
-Full Power - 5,000,000,000,000

Champa - 10,000,000,000,000

Vados - 15,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

FUTURE TRUNKS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 150,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Red - 6,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,500,000,000,000

Vegeta - 150,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 15,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 750,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,500,000,000,000
-After Training - 170,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 8,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 17,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 850,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 8,500,000,000,000

Future Trunks - 120,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 6,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 12,000,000,000
-Upgraded Super Saiyajin 2 - 60,000,000,000
-After Training - 140,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 14,000,000,000
-Upgraded Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 700,000,000,000

Zamasu - 10,000,000,000

Gokū Black - 14,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 700,000,000,000
-Rejuvinated - 150,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000,000
-Rejuvinated Again - 160,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 8,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Rosé - 8,000,000,000,000

Future Zamasu - 10,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu - 400,000,000,000,000
-Maximum Power - 600,000,000,000,000
-Weakened - 400,000,000,000

Vegetto - 16,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 800,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 800,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

TOURNAMENT OF POWER ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 170,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 8,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 17,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 68,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 8,500,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Poisoned - 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000
-Poisoned - 200,000,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Basil - 5,000,000,000
-Cheating Power Up - 10,000,000,000

Lavender - 5,000,000,000

Bergamo - 10,000,000,000
-Maximum Power Absorbed - 1,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:18 pm

Black Hawk wrote: MULTIPLIERS
[spoiler]Ōzaru - x10
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin Grade 2 - x75
Super Saiyaijn Grade 3 - x100
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Upgraded Super Saiyajin 2 - x500 (the form Trunks used when sparring with Gokū)
Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - x5000 (the form Vegeta used against Beerus)
Super Saiyajin Red - x40000 (aside from first use, which was x50000)
Super Saiyajin Blue - x50000
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming the powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming the powers are equal; less of a boost the less equal they are)[/spoiler]
Trunks' SSJ2 multiplier should be lower than SSJ3's, according to Vegeta he didn't power up quite as much as Goku.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:23 pm

Black Hawk wrote:[spoiler]FUTURE TRUNKS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 150,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 60,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Red - 6,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,500,000,000,000

Vegeta - 150,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 15,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 750,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 7,500,000,000,000
-After Training - 170,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 8,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 17,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 850,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 8,500,000,000,000

Future Trunks - 120,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 6,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 12,000,000,000
-Upgraded Super Saiyajin 2 - 60,000,000,000
-After Training - 140,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 14,000,000,000
-Upgraded Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Mutated Super Saiyajin 2 - 700,000,000,000

Zamasu - 10,000,000,000

Gokū Black - 14,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 700,000,000,000
-Rejuvinated - 150,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 7,500,000,000,000
-Rejuvinated Again - 160,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 8,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Rosé - 8,000,000,000,000

Future Zamasu - 10,000,000,000

Merged Zamasu - 400,000,000,000,000
-Maximum Power - 600,000,000,000,000
-Weakened - 400,000,000,000

Vegetto - 16,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 800,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin Blue - 800,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]
I hadn't thought of simply having Vegeta train Trunks how to upgrade his SS2 even further as a replacement for SSIkari but that makes a lot of sense actually. Going by your numbers, I assume you think Rose was always meant to be Black's only transformation and him having regular SS is him simply a stepping stone to Rose? That would also make sense as Black has no "regular ki" to speak of being a Kai.
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Post by emperior » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:58 pm

Black Hawk wrote: Power Levels
Very good list, but if I were you I would wait before listing power levels from Vegeta RoSaT training in the Future Trunks arc onwards, as we still don't know what will happen in the manga.
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Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:37 pm

Following from my Frieza arc power levels that I posted some weeks ago. Here's my power level list from the Mecha Frieza Arc, numbers with full explanations with reasoning. Trying to make more sense with them. Here they are:

[spoiler]Super Saiyajin - X50



Mecha Frieza - 150,000,000

Frieza stated that his power is greater than his previous 100% final form (120,000,000 of power). He also has some confidence in defeating SSJ Goku (150,000,000 of power). I decided to place him at the same power as Goku was, because Frieza also brought his father with him for help. Also I don't think Frieza completely surpassed that version of Goku.


King Cold - 100,000,000

Just a random number. But strong enough to act as assistance to his son against Goku.


King Cold's Soldiers - 1,000 to 2,000

Pretty much like Frieza's soldiers. Nothing important here.


Future Trunks - 3,400,000
SSJ Future Trunks - 170,000,000

Future Trunks is obviously stronger than Mecha Frieza and Namek Saga Goku. Despite the fact that Gohan mentioned the ki was similar to his dad, it could still be just because they are both SSJ's, and obviously they would feel like the same.
Trunks is strong enough to handle Mecha Frieza with ease. Frieza may not be at 100%. But still it's possible he was, because let's remember how the fight between Vegeta and Goku (Kaioken X2) went, they were 18K and 16K respectively, and Vegeta seems to dominate Goku with ease.


Goku - 3,500,000
SSJ Goku - 175,000,000

Goku is stated to be stronger than Future Trunks, since the latter was amazed by his power, and was even stronger than how he expected him to be, that's stated in the manga clearly. He also manages to deflect Trunks's sword with a finger, even though they were holding back, it was still amazing for Trunks. This Goku would also be able to manhadle Mecha Frieza and Trunks with full ease.


Vegeta - 2,800,000

I just made his gains in training similar to Goku's. My number for Vegeta in the Frieza arc was 2,400,000 (for those who don't remember my Frieza arc power level list). He would still probably be higher, possibly at the same power that Goku had back in the Frieza arc (3,000,000).


Piccolo - 2,700,000

I think Piccolo's fusion with Nail probably is what made Piccolo's boosts higher during this part of the series. I don't believe he surpassed Vegeta, but I would say they were quite close. Goku even mentioned Piccolo as first guess of who defeated Frieza. Even though that's not really evidence for me that he surpasses Vegeta, it's still something we should consider.


Gohan - 200,000

I don't think his power changed from his Frieza arc self. He didn't really train that much, since he was more busy with studies. But who knows if he did...? Anyways, it only passed 2 years, so I don't think that's that much for Gohan to have his power declining as much as how he was during the 7 year gap between the Cell and Buu arcs.


Krillin - 135,000

I will admit, I am a Tien > Krillin believer, and I don't want to start one of those silly "Krillin vs Tien" debates since I do want to keep with my own opinion on the matter. HOWEVER, I WILL agree that Krillin was stronger than Tien at the time of this part of the series, as well as the Cell arc. However, I'm still not convinced with the Buu arc, as well as with Dragon Ball Super where I just can't accept that Krillin is stronger than Tien. Probably by the Buu arc maybe (I'm still with doubts though), but definitely not Super, since a lot of time has already happened, and Tien always trains. Krillin's power would also be declining by the time too.

But we should better focus on here. Krillin by the time he died would have 75,000 (since I mentioned in my Frieza arc power level list that I won't accept that number for the first part of the Frieza fight). Later as time went on Earth, Krillin would still be training. And considering his gains would be bigger because of his unlock potential by Guru, he would reach this number of 135,000 because I have the multiplier of Krillin's boosts as a 1.8 multiplier (in my Frieza arc power level list I mentioned how it worked, multiply the official 13,000 to 1.8 times, and it goes to 23,400, the number he would have in the Ginyu fight, multiply that number on and on, and it will leave you to 75,000). 75,000 times 1.8 would be 135,000.


Tenshinhan - 85,000

As I said above, Tien has to be weaker than Krillin here. The reason I put Tien at 85,000 is simple. Considering Goku recieved like a 20 times increase from his training with King Kai. Tien, having Yamcha and Chiaotzu (although the latter is too weak) as partners, as well as how he promised to make better methods of training, aas well as the fact that he trained nearly doubling the days of Goku. I would say his power increased 40 times his old strenght (1,830). That would leave him to 73,200. After a year of training, his power could've increased further more, leaving him to 85,000.


Yamcha - 34,000

This would be a similar case to Tien. This time, since he trained with a stronger Tien at King Kai's planet, and nearly the same amount of Goku's days (136 to 158, not that close but still), he would be reaching 20 times stronger his old strenght (1,480). Leaving him to nearly 30,000. His power would later be at 34,000 since I do think that he still trained, but with gains less than the others.


Chiaotzu - 21,000

Unlike Tien and Yamcha, here Chiaotzu would have less gains in training with King Kai. Instead of a 20 times stronger, he would be 15 times stronger, the reason is because it has been proved that Chiaotzu's gains, no matter how much he trains, are so small. Look his number in the saiyan arc (610), is too low and his difference in gap with Yamcha (the second weakest) has gotten wider. Specially since it's somewhat stated that in the 23rd Budokai that Chiaotzu was already equal, if not above Roshi (who is 139). My personal number I have him for the Raditz arc is 150. A difference of x1.18 in comparison to Yamcha. Later in the saiyan arc, there was a difference in a gap that is more than 2 times. That means that Chiaotzu improved much less than the others.

The same would apply here. His power level would multiply by 15 instead of 20. 30 times (since he trained 260 days like Tien) his old strenght (610) is 18,300. Add a year more of training and would probably reach 21,000.



And that's all. Tell me what you think about these power levels if you agree or disagree. Up next is the Androids Arc.[/spoiler]

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Post by Black Hawk » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:50 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I hadn't thought of simply having Vegeta train Trunks how to upgrade his SS2 even further as a replacement for SSIkari but that makes a lot of sense actually. Going by your numbers, I assume you think Rose was always meant to be Black's only transformation and him having regular SS is him simply a stepping stone to Rose? That would also make sense as Black has no "regular ki" to speak of being a Kai.
It's not so much that I believe that Black was only ever meant to have one transformation; it's more of me being unable to come up with Black still being below Beerus when he goes from Super Saiyajin to Rosé. Even assuming it's only a 1.2x jump in power, that would still push him from an 8 to 9.6, which is too close to Beerus' 10 for Vegeta to overtake (as I expect he will in Chapter 22) without reaching Beerus' level, which Toriyama stated he is not planning on having happen any time soon. So I was kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place and decided to just have SSJ become Rosé without a boost in power in order to eliminate the problem; I'll admit that it's probably not a very good solution, but it's the best I've got at the moment. However, your statement of Black having no regular ki helps it make a little more sense; thank you for that!
emperior wrote:Very good list, but if I were you I would wait before listing power levels from Vegeta RoSaT training in the Future Trunks arc onwards, as we still don't know what will happen in the manga.
Thank you! Listing levels for after Vegeta's training in the Room of Spirit and Time is just kind of my prediction of how things will go, rather than a solid statement of "this is what I believe the levels definitively are."
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Trunks' SSJ2 multiplier should be lower than SSJ3's, according to Vegeta he didn't power up quite as much as Goku.
Is that right? I was under the impression that Vegeta stated something to the effect of "Without even transforming, he's powered up enough to reach Kakarotto's level of power as a Super Saiyajin 3." Please correct me if I am mistaken, and thank you for bringing this to my attention!
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:23 am

Black Hawk wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Trunks' SSJ2 multiplier should be lower than SSJ3's, according to Vegeta he didn't power up quite as much as Goku.
Is that right? I was under the impression that Vegeta stated something to the effect of "Without even transforming, he's powered up enough to reach Kakarotto's level of power as a Super Saiyajin 3." Please correct me if I am mistaken, and thank you for bringing this to my attention!
The Viz translation says that as well, however other translations say he's become nearly as strong as Goku's SSJ3. However according to Whis Trunks was slightly ahead of Goku while they were both SSJ2s so even so his multiplier would be a bit lower.

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TheUltimateNinja wrote:The Viz translation says that as well, however other translations say he's become nearly as strong as Goku's SSJ3. However according to Whis Trunks was slightly ahead of Goku while they were both SSJ2s so even so his multiplier would be a bit lower.
If I'm not mistaken, Whis only states something to the effect of Trunks having, though only slightly, the upper hand in the battle; that doesn't necessarily mean that Gokū's overall power is beneath that of Trunks. At least, that's how I interpreted Whis' words.
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:27 am

Black Hawk wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:The Viz translation says that as well, however other translations say he's become nearly as strong as Goku's SSJ3. However according to Whis Trunks was slightly ahead of Goku while they were both SSJ2s so even so his multiplier would be a bit lower.
If I'm not mistaken, Whis only states something to the effect of Trunks having, though only slightly, the upper hand in the battle; that doesn't necessarily mean that Gokū's overall power is beneath that of Trunks. At least, that's how I interpreted Whis' words.
I suppose you could interpret it that way. Usually someone's stronger if they have the upper hand, though.

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Post by Black Hawk » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:11 am

Just thought I'd add my thoughts on the end of the original manga and Dragon Ball GT for the heck of it.

MULTIPLIERS
[spoiler]Ōzaru - x10
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Super Ōzaru - x5000
Super Saiyajin 4 - x50000
Super Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x100000 (when Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan gave their energy to Gokū to fight Baby)
Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x150000 (when Gohan, Trunks, and Goten gave their energy to Gokū to fight the One Star Dragon)
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming the powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming the powers are equal; less of a boost the less equal)[/spoiler]

END OF MANGA
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 200,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 20,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 80,000,000,000

Vegeta - 200,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 20,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 200,000,000,000

Piccolo - 4,500,000,000

Trunks - 50,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 2,500,000,000

Son Goten - 50,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 2,500,000,000

Pan - 50,000

Oob - 200,000,000[/spoiler]

BABY ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 1,500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000
-Super Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 30,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 250,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 12,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 25,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000

Piccolo - 5,000,000,000

Trunks - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Son Goten - 70,000,000
-Super Sayajin - 3,500,000,000

Gotenks - 700,000,000
-Super Saiyaijn - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 280,000,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Oob - 300,000,000
-Merged with Boo - 300,000,000,000

Pan - 50,000,000

Rild - 250,000,000
-Hyper Mega Rild - 12,500,000,000
-Mega Rild - 25,000,000,000

Vegeta-Baby - 2,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 125,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 250,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 12,500,000,000,000
-Bruits Waves - 25,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

SUPER NO. 17 ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 250,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 12,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 25,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000

Trunks - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Son Goten - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Gotenks - 700,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 280,000,000,000

Oob - 300,000,000,000

No. 18 - 350,000,000

No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Hell Fighter No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Super No. 17 - 10,000,000,000,000
-Energy Absorbed - 20,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

EVIL DRAGONS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000
-Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 45,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000

Trunks - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Son Goten - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Gotenks - 700,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 280,000,000,000

Oob - 300,000,000,000

Pan - 50,000,000

Four Star Dragon - 15,000,000,000,000

Three Star Dragon - 15,000,000,000,000

One Star Dragon - 30,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon - 300,000,000,000,000

Gogeta - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 3,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 12,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 1,500,000,000,000,000

Note: In order to make Gogeta stronger than the Super One Star Dragon, I had to use the Potara multiplier for him instead of the Metamarū multiplier. The best I can really do is explain it away by saying that, since it's Toei, they probably just did Gogeta the way they did Vegetto before him. That's the best I've got.[/spoiler]
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:27 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Black Hawk wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:The Viz translation says that as well, however other translations say he's become nearly as strong as Goku's SSJ3. However according to Whis Trunks was slightly ahead of Goku while they were both SSJ2s so even so his multiplier would be a bit lower.
If I'm not mistaken, Whis only states something to the effect of Trunks having, though only slightly, the upper hand in the battle; that doesn't necessarily mean that Gokū's overall power is beneath that of Trunks. At least, that's how I interpreted Whis' words.
I suppose you could interpret it that way. Usually someone's stronger if they have the upper hand, though.
I need a bit of help from the real Mathematicians here in figuring out a specific power level for a Golden Great Ape version of the cloned son of Goku Black, is 800 billion times 19, 15.200 trillion? Also, very sorry if I had interrupted anything here in this thread.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:36 pm

Black Hawk wrote:Just thought I'd add my thoughts on the end of the original manga and Dragon Ball GT for the heck of it.

MULTIPLIERS
[spoiler]Ōzaru - x10
Super Saiyajin - x50
Super Saiyajin 2 - x100
Super Saiyajin 3 - x400
Super Ōzaru - x5000
Super Saiyajin 4 - x50000
Super Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x100000 (when Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan gave their energy to Gokū to fight Baby)
Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - x150000 (when Gohan, Trunks, and Goten gave their energy to Gokū to fight the One Star Dragon)
Metamarū Merging - x10 (assuming the powers are equal)
Potara Merging - x100 (assuming the powers are equal; less of a boost the less equal)[/spoiler]

END OF MANGA
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 200,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 20,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 80,000,000,000

Vegeta - 200,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 10,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 20,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 4,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 200,000,000,000

Piccolo - 4,500,000,000

Trunks - 50,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 2,500,000,000

Son Goten - 50,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 2,500,000,000

Pan - 50,000

Oob - 200,000,000[/spoiler]

BABY ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 1,500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000
-Super Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 30,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 250,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 12,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 25,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000

Piccolo - 5,000,000,000

Trunks - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Son Goten - 70,000,000
-Super Sayajin - 3,500,000,000

Gotenks - 700,000,000
-Super Saiyaijn - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 280,000,000,000

Majin Boo - 10,000,000,000

Oob - 300,000,000
-Merged with Boo - 300,000,000,000

Pan - 50,000,000

Rild - 250,000,000
-Hyper Mega Rild - 12,500,000,000
-Mega Rild - 25,000,000,000

Vegeta-Baby - 2,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 125,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 250,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 1,000,000,000,000
-Super Ōzaru - 12,500,000,000,000
-Bruits Waves - 25,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

SUPER NO. 17 ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 250,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 12,500,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 25,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000

Trunks - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Son Goten - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Gotenks - 700,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 280,000,000,000

Oob - 300,000,000,000

No. 18 - 350,000,000

No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Hell Fighter No. 17 - 400,000,000
-Super No. 17 - 10,000,000,000,000
-Energy Absorbed - 20,000,000,000,000[/spoiler]

EVIL DRAGONS ARC
[spoiler]Son Gokū - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 120,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000
-Chō Full Power Saiyajin 4 - 45,000,000,000,000

Vegeta - 300,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 15,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 15,000,000,000,000

Son Gohan - 8,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 400,000,000,000

Trunks - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Son Goten - 70,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 3,500,000,000

Gotenks - 700,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 35,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 70,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 280,000,000,000

Oob - 300,000,000,000

Pan - 50,000,000

Four Star Dragon - 15,000,000,000,000

Three Star Dragon - 15,000,000,000,000

One Star Dragon - 30,000,000,000,000
-Super One Star Dragon - 300,000,000,000,000

Gogeta - 30,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin - 1,500,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 2 - 3,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 3 - 12,000,000,000,000
-Super Saiyajin 4 - 1,500,000,000,000,000

Note: In order to make Gogeta stronger than the Super One Star Dragon, I had to use the Potara multiplier for him instead of the Metamarū multiplier. The best I can really do is explain it away by saying that, since it's Toei, they probably just did Gogeta the way they did Vegetto before him. That's the best I've got.[/spoiler]
Base Goku is stated to be on par with his SS3 self & Kid Boo from Z and his SS multiplier has shrunk down to being only x2, the other forms like 2 and 3 I believe stayed the same. Gohan is also still Ultimate in GT but can stack SS on top of it (I'm assuming because he's got some more potential in the tank and he needs SS to access it?) which doesn't give him a big boost either.
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Post by LightBing » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:44 pm

What's the list for the best attacks, assuming a single user who can bring out the best of the techniques?

Ignoring the Genki-Dama, the Kikoho takes the cake right? Probably followed by the Super Kamehameha or the Makankosappo?

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In a "What-If" scenario that Super Boo manages to absorb both SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, would he be way stronger than Boo-han?
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Post by dragonball0900 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:50 pm

Noah wrote:In a "What-If" scenario that Super Boo manages to absorb both SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, would he be way stronger than Boo-han?
I'd think so, yeah. But would still be fall behind Super Vegetto.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:56 pm

Noah wrote:In a "What-If" scenario that Super Boo manages to absorb both SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, would he be way stronger than Boo-han?
Not by much, Super Boo, SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan aren't very far from one another in power. If he absorbed all of them at once, he'd probably be 4-6 times stronger at most.
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Post by Bullza » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:49 pm

So how does Piccolo being stronger than Super Saiyan Goten and Kid Trunks work out? The Universe 6 saga heavily implied it.

Forget that "Piccolo trained with Gohan to get stronger" because he was still implied to be stronger in the manga as well where that training never happened.

If he's stronger than Super Saiyan Goten and the Daizenshuu said Goten has strength not the least bit inferior to Gohan then that would make Piccolo stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan which would be contradictory because he was much weaker than the Supreme Kai who was weaker than the Super Saiyans.

The only way it'd work is if Piccolo got a significantly stronger from the Buu saga to the Universe 6 saga and the kids (and most others) just stayed the same.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:27 am

LightBing wrote:What's the list for the best attacks, assuming a single user who can bring out the best of the techniques?

Ignoring the Genki-Dama, the Kikoho takes the cake right? Probably followed by the Super Kamehameha or the Makankosappo?
I'd say the Kienzan or Freeza's controllable version. If someone actually used it in tandem with the Taioyken, well...
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Noah wrote:In a "What-If" scenario that Super Boo manages to absorb both SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, would he be way stronger than Boo-han?
Uh, yeah? He'd basically be Evil Boo + Gohan + Gotenks, as opposed to Evil Boo + Gohan. If Gohan Boo was a 20, Gohan-Gotenks Boo would be a 35. He's still fall short to Vegetto here, who's like a 50 in his regular Super Saiyan form.
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