The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[apex_pretador]

Resurrection F Piccolo vs Buu saga Super Saiyan Gohan.

I have Buu arc piccolo and SS Gohan about even. So, RoF piccolo wins due to almost equal stats, better fighting skills, smarts and techniques.

Buu Arc Piccolo? He's far weaker than SSJ Gohan. Perhaps you mean Resurrection F Piccolo?

No, I mean buu arc Piccolo. I have him, SS Gohan, CG Goku all at around the same level.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I have Buu arc piccolo and SS Gohan about even. So, RoF piccolo wins due to almost equal stats, better fighting skills, smarts and techniques.

Buu Arc Piccolo? He's far weaker than SSJ Gohan. Perhaps you mean Resurrection F Piccolo?

No, I mean buu arc Piccolo. I have him, SS Gohan, CG Goku all at around the same level.

That's wrong, he's much weaker than Kaioshin who himself is weaker than SSJ Gohan.

[apex_pretador]

Buu Arc Piccolo? He's far weaker than SSJ Gohan. Perhaps you mean Resurrection F Piccolo?

No, I mean buu arc Piccolo. I have him, SS Gohan, CG Goku all at around the same level.

That's wrong, he's much weaker than Kaioshin who himself is weaker than SSJ Gohan.

Actually, there is no concrete evidence he is weaker than Kaioshin. He can't sense god ki.

And Kaioshin is more powerful than you think. He did better than Gohan against fat buu, and he was able to completely restrain SS2 Gohan with a mere gesture.

[nickzambuto]

I agree, personally I'd put Kaioshin at Perfect Cell level, or perhaps even stronger.

[TheUltimateNinja]

No, I mean buu arc Piccolo. I have him, SS Gohan, CG Goku all at around the same level.

That's wrong, he's much weaker than Kaioshin who himself is weaker than SSJ Gohan.

Actually, there is no concrete evidence he is weaker than Kaioshin. He can't sense god ki.

And Kaioshin is more powerful than you think. He did better than Gohan against fat buu, and he was able to completely restrain SS2 Gohan with a mere gesture.

The Daizenshuu says Kaioshin is far above Piccolo.

That doesn't place him above Gohan, paralysis is a special Kaioshin ability that works on people stronger than you are. Zamasu was able to paralyze Goku despite being weaker than him.

Furthermore, Gohan was able to pull out the Z sword while Kaioshin was unable to.

[apex_pretador]

That's wrong, he's much weaker than Kaioshin who himself is weaker than SSJ Gohan.

Actually, there is no concrete evidence he is weaker than Kaioshin. He can't sense god ki.

And Kaioshin is more powerful than you think. He did better than Gohan against fat buu, and he was able to completely restrain SS2 Gohan with a mere gesture.

The Daizenshuu says Kaioshin is far above Piccolo.

That doesn't place him above Gohan, paralysis is a special Kaioshin ability that works on people stronger than you are. Zamasu was able to paralyze Goku despite being weaker than him.

Furthermore, Gohan was able to pull out the Z sword while Kaioshin was unable to.

The daizenshuu has a lot of inconsistencies. It puts Nappa at 4000 despite him being close to Goku's "over 8000". In this case, it just takes Piccolo's statement of Kaioshin and him being "dimensions apart" way too literally.

When did Zamasu paralyze Goku?

And that was because Beerus probably put a special condition on Z sword so that any of the kaioshins don;t free Old kaioshin, because even Base goku was able to swing it around, and unless you are suggesting Freeza > BoG base goku > buu arc base goku > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Cell jrs > Super vegeta, it is more than just a matter of strength.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The daizenshuu has a lot of inconsistencies. It puts Nappa at 4000 despite him being close to Goku's "over 8000". In this case, it just takes Piccolo's statement of Kaioshin and him being "dimensions apart" way too literally.

When did Zamasu paralyze Goku?

And that was because Beerus probably put a special condition on Z sword so that any of the kaioshins don;t free Old kaioshin, because even Base goku was able to swing it around, and unless you are suggesting Freeza > BoG base goku > buu arc base goku > Kaioshin > Piccolo > Cell jrs > Super vegeta, it is more than just a matter of strength.

Even so, there's nothing contradicting Kaioshin >> Piccolo. Just because some things are inconsistent doesn't mean we should discard the whole thing.

He paralyzes him in the manga. He says that even if he doesn't have the same power, he can still fight like a God and uses paralysis to gain the upper hand.

Also, swinging it around is obviously much easier than pulling it out of the ground, it works that way even in real life. Also, Base Gohan was unable to even budge the sword while it was in the ground and experienced some difficulty pulling it out even as an SSJ, but once he gets it out of the ground he's able to hold it up in Base, proving that it's a lot easier to merely hold it.

Also, Kaioshin was never shown to be unable to lift the Z sword, Kibito tried and failed, but he was already confirmed to be weaker than Base Gohan.

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Kid Buu V Super Janemba

[TheUltimateNinja]

Kid Buu V Super Janemba

Janemba destroys Buu.

[apex_pretador]

Even so, there's nothing contradicting Kaioshin >> Piccolo. Just because some things are inconsistent doesn't mean we should discard the whole thing.

He paralyzes him in the manga. He says that even if he doesn't have the same power, he can still fight like a God and uses paralysis to gain the upper hand.

Also, swinging it around is obviously much easier than pulling it out of the ground, it works that way even in real life. Also, Base Gohan was unable to even budge the sword while it was in the ground and experienced some difficulty pulling it out even as an SSJ, but once he gets it out of the ground he's able to hold it up in Base, proving that it's a lot easier to merely hold it.

Also, Kaioshin was never shown to be unable to lift the Z sword, Kibito tried and failed, but he was already confirmed to be weaker than Base Gohan.

Isn't it obvious that Daizenshuu picked up Piccolo's statement from manga and exaggerated it? It is not the authentic databook written by the author of DB. And there is nothing contradicting Kaioshin > SS Gohan either.

Base goku > Base gohan though. And Goku did not "just hold" it, he was able to swing it around with ease difficulty.
And it is kind of obvious that Beerus will make sure that no one pulls out the sword if he is sealing someone there.If he can use a technique to seal a god, he can also use a technique to make sure no kaioshin or attendent can make him free. Since it is unlikely that anyone else would ever appear on kaioshin planet, it works.
And would you also suggest that south kaioshin is weaker than SS Gohan?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Isn't it obvious that Daizenshuu picked up Piccolo's statement from manga and exaggerated it? It is not the authentic databook written by the author of DB. And there is nothing contradicting Kaioshin > SS Gohan either.

Base goku > Base gohan though. And Goku did not "just hold" it, he was able to swing it around with ease difficulty.
And it is kind of obvious that Beerus will make sure that no one pulls out the sword if he is sealing someone there.If he can use a technique to seal a god, he can also use a technique to make sure no kaioshin or attendent can make him free. Since it is unlikely that anyone else would ever appear on kaioshin planet, it works.
And would you also suggest that south kaioshin is weaker than SS Gohan?

Toriyama doesn't personally write the guides but he does approve them.

And Kaioshin > SSJ Gohan is contradicted by him being unable to lift the Z sword and calling Gohan their last hope and saying his power is far beyond their imagination.

Even if such a spell exists, which there's no evidence of, it doesn't even matter because Kaioshin wouldn't know about it. For all he knows raw strength is all it takes to pull it out and the reason he brought Gohan there was because he was far more powerful.

South Kaioshin was never stated to have attempted to pull the sword out.

This dialogue clearly shows Gohan >> Kaioshin:
Chapter: 470 (DBZ 276), P5.2-4
Context: Kaioshin says the situation isn’t completely hopeless
Kibito: “Huh…!? You can’t mean…Does this have anything to do with Son Gohan…?”
Kaioshin: “That’s right…His power is far beyond our imagination. If we took it and changed it into something even more unreal, he might be able to surpass Majin Boo…”
Kibito: “Wh-what!? That can’t be…”
Kaioshin: “You didn’t see how amazing those 3 Saiyans were, so you probably couldn’t imagine…”

Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4
Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.”
Kibito: “A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that some human would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…”
Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.”

[RehBeh]

Rildo VS. Frost
All forms and transformations allowed.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Rildo VS. Frost
All forms and transformations allowed.

Frost gets destroyed. Goku compared Rild to Buu, so at minimum he's as strong as Mr. Buu who is stronger than Frost.

[RehBeh]

Rildo VS. Frost
All forms and transformations allowed.

Frost gets destroyed. Goku compared Rild to Buu, so at minimum he's as strong as Mr. Buu who is stronger than Frost.

Well, that was pretty fast. I did not expect such a quick response.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Rildo VS. Frost
All forms and transformations allowed.

Frost gets destroyed. Goku compared Rild to Buu, so at minimum he's as strong as Mr. Buu who is stronger than Frost.

Well, that was pretty fast. I did not expect such a quick response.

If the match was closer maybe it would take a bit longer, but in such a one sided match the outcome is obvious.

[RehBeh]

Frost gets destroyed. Goku compared Rild to Buu, so at minimum he's as strong as Mr. Buu who is stronger than Frost.

Well, that was pretty fast. I did not expect such a quick response.

If the match was closer maybe it would take a bit longer, but in such a one sided match the outcome is obvious.

I meant a user responding so quickly, not about the outcome. Also, keep in mind some people put Frost way higher than what Boo.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I meant a user responding so quickly, not about the outcome. Also, keep in mind some people put Frost way higher than what Boo.

He was getting destroyed by SSJ Goku who is weaker than Buu. And Piccolo who is several times weaker than Buu did fairly well against a weakened Frost.

[RehBeh]

I meant a user responding so quickly, not about the outcome. Also, keep in mind some people put Frost way higher than what Boo.

He was getting destroyed by SSJ Goku who is weaker than Buu. And Piccolo who is several times weaker than Buu did fairly well against a weakened Frost.

Why are you saying this to me? Did I argue that Frost is stronger? Actually, I agree with what you said.
Some fans say that SSJ Goku=SSG Goku, which I don't believe.

[apex_pretador]

Rildo VS. Frost
All forms and transformations allowed.

Frost annihilates. Frost is stronger than base goku, who is stronger than SS3 gotenks. Rildo was compared to mr buu.

[RehBeh]

Rildo VS. Frost
All forms and transformations allowed.

Frost annihilates. Frost is stronger than base goku, who is stronger than SS3 gotenks. Rildo was compared to mr buu.

Frost should destroy the planet to completely kill him, and be careful enough to avoid the metalfication beam(Gohan in GT was equal to him as Base until the beam took his arm). Even if he is stronger, that doesn't mean it should be an easy win.