Things that grind your gears

[Dbzfan94]

The claim that "Super Goku is only different because you watched the dub"

[Gog]

The claim that "Super Goku is only different because you watched the dub"

Yes, he is different if you watch the dub. But if you don't the dub then he is pretty similar to original Goku from the manga.

[Bansho64]

Yes, he is different if you watch the dub. But if you don't the dub then he is pretty similar to original Goku from the manga.

There are plenty of subbed fans here to think that he's a bit different compared to the manga. To some, his current character is even different when compared to BOG.

[Gog]

Yes, he is different if you watch the dub. But if you don't the dub then he is pretty similar to original Goku from the manga.

There are plenty of subbed fans here to think that he's a bit different compared to the manga. To some, his current character is even different when compared to BOG.

Just like it was compared to Cell Saga version, the Buu Saga version and even the Freeza Saga version. Honestly Goku is an ever changing character. And yeah he does have some differences to the general opinion of the Manga.

[ABED]

Just like it was compared to Cell Saga version, the Buu Saga version and even the Freeza Saga version. Honestly Goku is an ever changing character

I don't see it. Other than him getting a little less naïve and then having a family, he's still the same person we met when the story began.

Goku is probably a little different between the anime and the manga, but I don't think it's a radical departure.

[Dbzfan94]

Yes, he is different if you watch the dub. But if you don't the dub then he is pretty similar to original Goku from the manga.

There are plenty of subbed fans here to think that he's a bit different compared to the manga. To some, his current character is even different when compared to BOG.

Thank you. I'm not saying the dub is perfect, but saying Super's portrayal is accurate.

[ekrolo2]

Have I mentioned this before? I apologize in advance if I have but it really annoys me when people say Bulla, Bra, Oob and all that was nothing but a GT setup when they're all in the freaking manga!

[ABED]

When fans judge DB characters like they would superheroes.

[SaiyanGod117]

Nothing really grinds my gears unless someone says Super's characterization of Goku is normal/natural, I just can't understand it and never will.

[Freeza9000]

The people still going on about Vegeta needing to get the final blow on Freeza in the ROF arc because of how Freeza "TURNED HIM EVUL!!" even though the Saiyans were evil scumbags to begin with.

[ekrolo2]

The people still going on about Vegeta needing to get the final blow on Freeza in the ROF arc because of how Freeza "TURNED HIM EVUL!!" even though the Saiyans were evil scumbags to begin with.

[MasenkoHA]

The people still going on about Vegeta needing to get the final blow on Freeza in the ROF arc because of how Freeza "TURNED HIM EVUL!!" even though the Saiyans were evil scumbags to begin with.

Huh you would think with the influence Dragon Ball Z Abridged has had on the American fandom (for better or worse) that line of thinking would have stopped when they pointed out how stupid that moment in the dub was through their parody.

[Lord Beerus]

When people say that Goku never acted like a selfish, reckless asshole in the original story.

[Lord Frieza]

When people say that Goku never acted like a selfish, reckless asshole in the original story.

...or try to make him out as some kind of mentally unhealthy or intentionally evil person.

[Kanassa]

The people still going on about Vegeta needing to get the final blow on Freeza in the ROF arc because of how Freeza "TURNED HIM EVUL!!" even though the Saiyans were evil scumbags to begin with.

Really, I see it better for Vegeta to not be the one killing Frieza in the movie. He's moved on, he has more worthy enemies to fight. "I'm a God, you're not worth my boot heel" Which is probably more insulting to Frieza

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

My gripe recently is just with people still asking for Bardock to come back. I honestly think Episode of Bardock ruined the commercial character of him by now diverting the marketing toward what the fans who have now accepted as this lost, pure-hearted, legendary hero that people want to meet Goku as a Super Saiyan. That and Time Breaker Bardock seriously make the character feel like Broly now due to the way hes been marketed now. I love the character but hes overrated for the wrong reasons. Bardock isn't even "pure-hearted" in all good or all evil, how can he even be a Super Saiyan?

Yes, he is different if you watch the dub. But if you don't the dub then he is pretty similar to original Goku from the manga.

There are plenty of subbed fans here to think that he's a bit different compared to the manga. To some, his current character is even different when compared to BOG.

Thank you. I'm not saying the dub is perfect, but saying Super's portrayal is accurate.

The people that prefer the dub think Goku is completely out of character: to them. Some may find dub Goku more likable to their beliefs about him.
The other group are people who haven't read the manga either but based on Toriyama's interview and TFS, they think Goku always was this stupid.
Then those people here that at most generally agree that Super is indeed exaggerating Goku's most known commercial trait to grating levels at worst.

My gripe is just mainly with people who haven't watched it subbed, but still claim Goku always was or was always meant to be stupid "according to Toriyama", based on that "Goku isn't righteous" interview being taken out of context now.

[Gog]

There are plenty of subbed fans here to think that he's a bit different compared to the manga. To some, his current character is even different when compared to BOG.

Thank you. I'm not saying the dub is perfect, but saying Super's portrayal is accurate.

The people that prefer the dub think Goku is completely out of character: to them. Some may find dub Goku more likable to their beliefs about him.
The other group are people who haven't read the manga either but based on Toriyama's interview and TFS, they think Goku always was this stupid.
Then those people here that at most generally agree that Super is indeed exaggerating Goku's most known commercial trait to grating levels at worst.

My gripe is just mainly with people who haven't watched it subbed, but still claim Goku always was or was always meant to be stupid "according to Toriyama", based on that "Goku isn't righteous" interview being taken out of context now.

I would consider the Cell, Android, and Buu Saga to be the reason why Goku's main points are so exaggerated. But of course they get a pass, because of all the Nostalgia. And even then Super Goku isn't even that stupid, which is a saying which does grind my gears. At worse he's more childish, and the only time he ever was stupid, was in a filler episode where it was 100% played for gags.

But even with all of that Super Goku is the most logical progression of Goku.

[Bajosexto]

When people(spicifically FUNi dub fans) say "his name is Beerus not Bills". Yes I'm know that his name is Beerus/Beers but some dubs translated his name as Bills. This bothers me because "Bills" is an official dub name, yet if you call him that in an English speaking forum, more than likely someone will come out and say that it is a fan name and you shouldn't call him that. Yet the majority, not everyone of course but around 75-80% of the English speaking fans use (incorrect)dub names all the time. Why don't I see FUNi dub fans saying "Master Roshi is an incorrect dub name, his name is Kame Sennin". I mean after all "Master Roshi", just like "Bills", is an incorrect dub name.

[Cure Dragon 255]

His name is Muten Roshi, I think that Roshi is a title. But you are right.

[DBZ Macky]

When people(spicifically FUNi dub fans) say "his name is Beerus not Bills". Yes I'm know that his name is Beerus/Beers but some dubs translated his name as Bills. This bothers me because "Bills" is an official dub name, yet if you call him that in an English speaking forum, more than likely someone will come out and say that it is a fan name and you shouldn't call him that. Yet the majority, not everyone of course but around 75-80% of the English speaking fans use (incorrect)dub names all the time. Why don't I see FUNi dub fans saying "Master Roshi is an incorrect dub name, his name is Kame Sennin". I mean after all "Master Roshi", just like "Bills", is an incorrect dub name.

Calling Beerus "Bills" is like calling Trunks "Tlunks". It's not wrong but it misses the point of the name completely. Both the name puns of "Virus" and "Beer" are lost. Besides, it's good to have a standard naming convention and it's best that everyone follows that.