"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

Not to mention Piccolo is Toriyama's favorite character next to Goku. Piccolo has a high chance of doing great since characters like Roshi,Tien and Krillin are also there.

That interview stated that he liked Goku and Mr Satan more than Piccolo. Also I saw another interview where piccolo was actually his 5th but I don't know which one is more recent. Either way, Toriyama doesnt seem to care about how much he likes his characters when it comes to his writing

[incarnati0n]

17 is actually quite popular in japan the official poll in 2004 proved it,you're just a scared Piccolo fanboy who doesn't want to let a returning character who was treated badly have his shining moment,i'm so glad you don't have a word to say in all this,it's not your show it's Toriyama's and anything he wants to do he will do it,he doesn't listen to us irrational fans that's why he didn't let Vegeta has the kill in revival F the man literally gives no f,just accept the possiblity that 17 will shine more than the others since he's featured more than them which wouldn't be the case if he wasn't popular to begin with so stop spreading fake statements.

So you say that toriyama doesn't care about what the fans want, but just because he is quite popular in japan and is going to appear in a couple of DB heroes cards he is going to have a huge role? Make up your mind, either outside opinion counts or it doesn't.
He is a returning character, of course he is going to be promoted before the arc starts. As I said before I have him 4th in performance/importance in the arc when it comes to the U7 characters. Also while I don't enjoy half of namekiansaiyans comments It's pretty comical how you are putting his opinion down when you are being a delusional 17 fan youself.

[Totamo]

Not really. Gohan was always the 2nd main character in Z, Vegeta become more relevant than him in some portions of the Boo arc, much due Gohan incompetence and later finally took this title in the new installaments of the series.

Vegeta was much more of a second main character than Gohan, considering how much he actually does throughout all the arcs.

Nah, Gohan was literally built up to the be the main character and actually was it during certain segments of the story unlike Vegeta.

Vegeta was the main antagonist of the first saga and Gohan didn't even do anything until piccolo and died and rest of that arc is him and krilin.
vegeta was doing most of the work on namek before the ginyu force and even then he is the one who killed them after goku defeated him and he is one who leads the charge against freeza.
Even with cell, vegeta was the leader, the one who destroyed 19, the one who fought 18, the one who fought semi cell oh and the first one to get bodied by perfect cell, hell gohan's biggest moment in that arc happened partial because of vegeta
Then we get into the buu saga and that's all vegeta, who is the second biggest reason the arc happened.


Gohan may have had some built up hype, but vegeta did way more things, gohan was either running, hiding or training.

[SansrivaaL]

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

Not to mention Piccolo is Toriyama's favorite character next to Goku. Piccolo has a high chance of doing great since characters like Roshi,Tien and Krillin are also there.

That interview stated that he liked Goku and Mr Satan more than Piccolo. Also I saw another interview where piccolo was actually his 5th but I don't know which one is more recent. Either way, Toriyama doesnt seem to care about how much he likes his characters when it comes to his writing

Oh, my bad, guess the interview I saw was the one of he oldest ones. I did hear about some stuffs that Toriyama's favorite now was Satan, thought people were joking.

[incarnati0n]

Sorry to be that guy but have we got the popularity poll handy? I'd like to see the results.

Relevant to this particular case about 17, of the characters who made it to top 20 he was above only Videl and Yajirobe.

[Lapislettuce]

17 is actually quite popular in japan the official poll in 2004 proved it,you're just a scared Piccolo fanboy who doesn't want to let a returning character who was treated badly have his shining moment,i'm so glad you don't have a word to say in all this,it's not your show it's Toriyama's and anything he wants to do he will do it,he doesn't listen to us irrational fans that's why he didn't let Vegeta has the kill in revival F the man literally gives no f,just accept the possiblity that 17 will shine more than the others since he's featured more than them which wouldn't be the case if he wasn't popular to begin with so stop spreading fake statements.

So you say that toriyama doesn't care about what the fans want, but just because he is quite popular in japan and is going to appear in a couple of DB heroes cards he is going to have a huge role? Make up your mind, either outside opinion counts or it doesn't.
He is a returning character, of course he is going to be promoted before the arc starts. As I said before I have him 4th in performance/importance in the arc when it comes to the U7 characters. Also while I don't enjoy half of namekiansaiyans comments It's pretty comical how you are putting his opinion down when you are being a delusional 17 fan youself.

I'm sorry but i just find his comments obnoxious,17 was always my favorite character and i've been waiting for him to comeback ever since i was like 8 years old and now that my dream is finally happening and i see him standing next to goku in posters and stuff is something i can't describe so when i see people complain and say how they don't want him to take away the lights from other characters like Piccolo it really pisses me off since they all have screen time they all had their moments 17 on the other hand didn't and there's no harm in building a character that has been unfairly mistreated and forgotten especially since he has potencial.

[Noah]

Gohan may have had some built up hype, but Vegeta did way more things, Gohan was either running, hiding or training.

Being the main antagonist of one arc and doing more "useful" things has nothing to do with being a main protagonist, Toriyama always intended to Gohan be the main character by the time Raditz arrives in scene, but with Goku's popularity, Gohan was always the 2nd lead, Vegeta took his place only in some portions of the Boo arc and then later after in the franchise.

[namekiansaiyan]

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

Not to mention Piccolo is Toriyama's favorite character next to Goku. Piccolo has a high chance of doing great since characters like Roshi,Tien and Krillin are also there.

That interview stated that he liked Goku and Mr Satan more than Piccolo. Also I saw another interview where piccolo was actually his 5th but I don't know which one is more recent. Either way, Toriyama doesnt seem to care about how much he likes his characters when it comes to his writing

We know nothing about this arc apart from the rules and Universe 7's fighters. If you were to tell any random Dragon ball fans these 2 things and ask these fans to rank how succesful each of the team Universe 7 will be, I think that at least 80% would have Android 17 in the bottom half and not in the top half like so many people are saying on here. Don't let Dragon Ball Heroes promotion affect your predictions so much as there will be a lot more updates to the game as the arc proceeds and many of these will probably include many of the other fighters from Universe 7.

17 is actually quite popular in japan the official poll in 2004 proved it,you're just a scared Piccolo fanboy who doesn't want to let a returning character who was treated badly have his shining moment,i'm so glad you don't have a word to say in all this,it's not your show it's Toriyama's and anything he wants to do he will do it,he doesn't listen to us irrational fans that's why he didn't let Vegeta has the kill in revival F the man literally gives no f,just accept the possiblity that 17 will shine more than the others since he's featured more than them which wouldn't be the case if he wasn't popular to begin with so stop spreading fake statements.

So you say that toriyama doesn't care about what the fans want, but just because he is quite popular in japan and is going to appear in a couple of DB heroes cards he is going to have a huge role? Make up your mind, either outside opinion counts or it doesn't.
He is a returning character, of course he is going to be promoted before the arc starts. As I said before I have him 4th in performance/importance in the arc when it comes to the U7 characters. Also while I don't enjoy half of namekiansaiyans comments It's pretty comical how you are putting his opinion down when you are being a delusional 17 fan youself.

I'm sorry but i just find his comments obnoxious,17 was always my favorite character and i've been waiting for him to comeback ever since i was like 8 years old and now that my dream is finally happening and i see him standing next to goku in posters and stuff is something i can't describe so when i see people complain and say how they don't want him to take away the lights from other characters like Piccolo it really pisses me off since they all have screen time they all had their moments 17 on the other hand didn't and there's no harm in building a character that has been unfairly mistreated and forgotten especially since he has potencial.

No one was expecting 17 to come back and how was he mistreated when he was never apart of the main group since Toriyama never wanted him to be. So how does it make sense for Toriyama to bring him back now and have him have a big role when he has never done anything to deserve it. 17 will do something just like the other 9 but you can't expect him to be the 3rd best.

[TheMathemagician]

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

Not to mention Piccolo is Toriyama's favorite character next to Goku. Piccolo has a high chance of doing great since characters like Roshi,Tien and Krillin are also there.

That interview stated that he liked Goku and Mr Satan more than Piccolo. Also I saw another interview where piccolo was actually his 5th but I don't know which one is more recent. Either way, Toriyama doesnt seem to care about how much he likes his characters when it comes to his writing

This needs to be emphasized quite a bit. A character he likes or hates doesn't influence how well or poorly he's treated a character considering Veggie his supposed least liked character gets better treatment than any member of U7 that isn't Son Goku himself.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In 2004 dbz was already over a long time ago if a character was popular back then he will still be right now,do you guys even read what you're writing you're all making 0 sense.

Whoa there. 13 years is a long time especially when we have had a cornucopious amount of new material since then. I liked Gohan back then, then disliked him and now like him again for example.

Oh, you like Gohan now ? What made you dislike him ? Also, what made you like him again ?

Not really sure what made me dislike him tbh think it was mostly a mix of him not being in much material and finding his fans obnoxious as a result. As for liking him well that was down to watching the Buu Kai dub found myself really enjoying those Great Saiyaman episodes more then I remembered when watching Z, I said I wanted Gohan to get jobbed pre-arc but when his fight vs Lavenda happened I was not rooting for Lavenda but Gohan and that fight was pretty good too Gohan did well there.

[Lapislettuce]

Not to mention Piccolo is Toriyama's favorite character next to Goku. Piccolo has a high chance of doing great since characters like Roshi,Tien and Krillin are also there.

That interview stated that he liked Goku and Mr Satan more than Piccolo. Also I saw another interview where piccolo was actually his 5th but I don't know which one is more recent. Either way, Toriyama doesnt seem to care about how much he likes his characters when it comes to his writing

We know nothing about this arc apart from the rules and Universe 7's fighters. If you were to tell any random Dragon ball fans these 2 things and ask these fans to rank how succesful each of the team Universe 7 will be, I think that at least 80% would have Android 17 in the bottom half and not in the top half like so many people are saying on here. Don't let Dragon Ball Heroes promotion affect your predictions so much as there will be a lot more updates to the game as the arc proceeds and many of these will probably include many of the other fighters from Universe 7.

So you say that toriyama doesn't care about what the fans want, but just because he is quite popular in japan and is going to appear in a couple of DB heroes cards he is going to have a huge role? Make up your mind, either outside opinion counts or it doesn't.
He is a returning character, of course he is going to be promoted before the arc starts. As I said before I have him 4th in performance/importance in the arc when it comes to the U7 characters. Also while I don't enjoy half of namekiansaiyans comments It's pretty comical how you are putting his opinion down when you are being a delusional 17 fan youself.

I'm sorry but i just find his comments obnoxious,17 was always my favorite character and i've been waiting for him to comeback ever since i was like 8 years old and now that my dream is finally happening and i see him standing next to goku in posters and stuff is something i can't describe so when i see people complain and say how they don't want him to take away the lights from other characters like Piccolo it really pisses me off since they all have screen time they all had their moments 17 on the other hand didn't and there's no harm in building a character that has been unfairly mistreated and forgotten especially since he has potencial.

No one was expecting 17 to come back and how was he mistreated when he was never apart of the main group since Toriyama never wanted him to be. So how does it make sense for Toriyama to bring him back now and have him have a big role when he has never done anything to deserve it. 17 will do something just like the other 9 but you can't expect him to be the 3rd best.

Again you're being delusional,it's not just the heroes cards,it's the official poster that has 17 in the center and not Piccolo,it's the opening that features 17 way more than Piccolo,it's V jump magazine which i assume you don't read cuz i see 17 being featured in for these last couple of months and i see Piccolo no where,you're just being a crybaby attacking people because they think 17 will have a major part just because they base their facts on the promotional material which if you were an anime fan you'd know that the promotional material often foreshadowns the events of the arc and so does the openings/intros.

[incarnati0n]

Again you're being delusional,it's not just the heroes cards,it's the official poster that has 17 in the center and not Piccolo,it's the opening that features 17 way more than Piccolo,it's V jump magazine which i assume you don't read cuz i see 17 being featured in for these last couple of months and i see Piccolo no where,you're just being a crybaby attacking people because they think 17 will have a major part just because they base their facts on the promotional material which if you were an anime fan you'd know that the promotional material often foreshadowns the events of the arc and so does the openings/intros.

Can you pls stop just attacking him for being a Piccolo fanboy? He didn't even mention him and most of us here are fanboys of a certain character. Also you are giving once again way too much importance to Heroes but I do agree that 17 has a bigger role in the opening than most characters and that is a better indication of what might be to come.

Also out of curiosity could you tell us your prediction 1-10 of how important or how well each U7 character will be this arc.

[Chuquita]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Re: Gohan

I'm so happy his bang is back! I missed it. He feels more him with it. Can't wait to see him return with it in-show.

Now if only he could get his purple dougi from the Buu arc back.

[incarnati0n]

Re: Gohan

I'm so happy his bang is back! I missed it. He feels more him with it. Can't wait to see him return with it in-show.

Now if only he could get his purple dougi from the Buu arc back.

I doubt he will have it in the show.

[Chuquita]

Re: Gohan

I'm so happy his bang is back! I missed it. He feels more him with it. Can't wait to see him return with it in-show.

Now if only he could get his purple dougi from the Buu arc back.

I doubt he will have it in the show.

Then why have it on merchandise advertising that arc? My only why not guess is someone messed up drawing him there.

[Beyond]

I've seen some small popularity polls across the internet for dbz in the past few months. Vegeta is extremely popular among forum groups. In the ones I've seen he's beaten Goku. He seems to have the most fans that rank him above everyone else. These are on communities like reddit and gamefaqs(so there is likely poster overlap). Piccolo is that guy that show up in the top 5 the most. Gohan also has a lot of fans that are willing to rank him one, but he also seems to have a reasonable number of people who don't like him or don't rank him at all more so than Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo. Gohan seems to be the favorite on neogaf by a reasonable margin. Goku seems to be number one here, even with the controversy.
Not sure they actually have poll though. What I'm concluding is F. Trunks isn't actually doing that well compared to Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and even Piccolo in these forums. Of course this only pertains to a small group of People, but it's interesting non the less. The mime thing is by far the biggest loser in the show.
Take these with a serious grain of salt.


https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000113 ... l/74785563
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/5 ... e_results/

[Lapislettuce]

Again you're being delusional,it's not just the heroes cards,it's the official poster that has 17 in the center and not Piccolo,it's the opening that features 17 way more than Piccolo,it's V jump magazine which i assume you don't read cuz i see 17 being featured in for these last couple of months and i see Piccolo no where,you're just being a crybaby attacking people because they think 17 will have a major part just because they base their facts on the promotional material which if you were an anime fan you'd know that the promotional material often foreshadowns the events of the arc and so does the openings/intros.

Can you pls stop just attacking him for being a Piccolo fanboy? He didn't even mention him and most of us here are fanboys of a certain character. Also you are giving once again way too much importance to Heroes but I do agree that 17 has a bigger role in the opening than most characters and that is a better indication of what might be to come.

Also out of curiosity could you tell us your prediction 1-10 of how important or how well each U7 character will be this arc.

I'm not attacking him for being a Piccolo fanboy,just for the fact that he's mad that 17 is getting promotion and spotlight for once,i don't do predctions well tbh especially when it comes to dragon ball it's very unpredictible although i was disppointed with the previous arcs for focusing too much on Goku and Vegeta as if they were the only characters.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I hope most of the cast gets stomped immediately.

[SansrivaaL]

I hope most of the cast gets stomped immediately.

Leaving Goku and Vegeta the only 2 survivors then have everyone job.

[namekiansaiyan]

I hope most of the cast gets stomped immediately.

I actually think the opposite could be true and that they will all be there near the end and then most will get knocked out really quickly by a few characters.