"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

It doesn't matter what he intended him to be, Vegeta was used a lot more than Gohan and that's what's important.

Toriyama said that Piccolo was his 2nd favorite Z fighter while he didn't like Vegeta that much but like the above, it holds no weight cause Piccolo is barely used while Vegeta is on Goku's level of importance.

Of course it matters what the author intended to do with one of his characters, arguably having more screentime or not, Vegeta only became the 2nd main protagonist in the final act of the Boo arc and later after. His popularity is big, there's no denial in that, but Gohan was the 2nd lead way before him.

[sintzu]

Of course it matters what the author intended to do with one of his characters.

Arguably having more screentime or not...

His popularity is big, there's no denial in that, but Gohan was the 2nd lead way before him.

How when he didn't really go through with it ? He also intended for Piccolo and Tien to be Goku's rivals but can you say that they are ?

Isn't screen time what determines who's more important than others ?

Maybe in Toriyama's head but that's not how it was on the page.

[kinisking]

Of course it matters what the author intended to do with one of his characters.

Arguably having more screentime or not...

His popularity is big, there's no denial in that, but Gohan was the 2nd lead way before him.

How when he didn't really go through with it ? He also intended for Piccolo and Tien to be Goku's rivals but can you say that they are ?

Isn't screen time what determines who's more important than others ?

Maybe in Toriyama's head but that's not how it was on the page.

So is Vegeta more relevant than Goku because he has more screen time ? Besides, Gohan still had more screen time. That's an indisputable fact in the saiyan and Boo arcs. In the saiyan arc, Gohan was introduced much earlier. In the boo arc, the entire beginning was centered around him and Vegeta was dead for most of it. The ending with kid boo where he had more screen time was nothing in comparison. The Freeza arc was debatable and the cell arc had Vegeta with more screen time.

[sintzu]

So is Vegeta more relevant than Goku because he has more screen time ?

Vegeta wasn't even in DB so he's never going to get more than Goku when it's all taken into account.

Even when he gets more than Goku, Goku makes it up with more important screen time.

[Simere]

I hope most of the cast gets stomped immediately.

What a treat that would be after months of people going "strategy and teamwork!" over and over.

[TheMathemagician]

So is Vegeta more relevant than Goku because he has more screen time ?

Vegeta wasn't even in DB so he's never going to get more than Goku when it's all taken into account.

Even when he gets more than Goku, Goku makes it up with more important screen time.

I think he he meant in Z.

[sintzu]

I think he meant in Z.

You're probably right. but still, Goku got the important screen time.

[pacz360]

I am the only that kinda dissapointed that this is a battle royal? I'm mean it's new and all but given it's toei were talking here I doubt they could handle something like this without major Fuckery coming along.

[sintzu]

I am the only that kinda dissapointed that this is a battle royal? I'm mean it's new and all but given it's toei were talking here I doubt they could handle something like this without major Fuckery coming along.

All the previous final fights have been really good so we at least know this one will more than likely follow those in terms of quality.

[kinisking]

I think he meant in Z.

You're probably right. but still, Goku got the important screen time.

Gohan didn't? In the cell saga he killed the final villian. Boo saga he had more screen time. Freeza saga it was debatable. Saiyan saga it's debatable who's more important . Then there is the openings,movies and endings centered on Gohan. Gohan was always the second main character of the DBZ era.

[sintzu]

Gohan was always the second main character of the DBZ era.

He didn't do much on Namek while Vegeta was in the spotlight for most of it.

His fight with Cell was the only thing he did in the entire 91 chapter arc (I'm not saying it was unimportant, just that it wasn't much when you look at how long the arc is).

In the Buu arc he was just fooling around in the 1st part, he got a good fight with Super Buu but then he was done. Vegeta got a rematch with Goku, his iconic sacrifice, fusing with Goku and was the only Z fighter fighting during the final battle.

Buu was the entire story's final villain and it was Vegeta out of all of Goku's allies who was fighting with him. that alone proves that Vegeta was more important than Gohan.

[dragonballgeek]

I hope most of the cast gets stomped immediately.

What a treat that would be after months of people going "strategy and teamwork!" over and over.

Well yeah you kinda need strategy and teamwork... Having Goku Vegeta and Gohan be the only ones standing is useless if other universes have 4 people standing.

The team with the most people wins. So in a way you have to make sure your weaker fighters don't get knocked out too fast.

[Kagari]

Gohan was always the second main character of the DBZ era.

He didn't do much on Namek while Vegeta was in the spotlight for most of it.

His fight with Cell was the only thing he did in the entire 91 chapter arc (I'm not saying it was unimportant, just that it wasn't much when you look at how long the arc is).

In the Buu arc he was just fooling around in the 1st part, he got a good fight with Super Buu but then he was done. Vegeta got a rematch with Goku, his iconic sacrifice, fusing with Goku and was the only Z fighter fighting during the final battle.

Buu was the entire story's final villain and it was Vegeta out of all of Goku's allies who was fighting with him. that alone proves that Vegeta was more important than Gohan.

Gohan was pretty much the protagonist along with Krillin there until Goku showed up. The Cell arc is probably the only Z arc where Gohan didn't do much until the latter parts and he certainly had plenty of focus for a good portion of the Buu arc.

[Simere]

I hope most of the cast gets stomped immediately.

What a treat that would be after months of people going "strategy and teamwork!" over and over.

Well yeah you kinda need strategy and teamwork... Having Goku Vegeta and Gohan be the only ones standing is useless if other universes have 4 people standing.

The team with the most people wins. So in a way you have to make sure your weaker fighters don't get knocked out too fast.

You know, that's not the only victory condition; I don't exactly know why everyone's talking as if it is.

That's not really what I was talking about, though. I meant the people saying Roshi, Tien and the other weak fighters can win against massively stronger opponents through the use of their amazing tactics.

[Yedis]

What a treat that would be after months of people going "strategy and teamwork!" over and over.

Well yeah you kinda need strategy and teamwork... Having Goku Vegeta and Gohan be the only ones standing is useless if other universes have 4 people standing.

The team with the most people wins. So in a way you have to make sure your weaker fighters don't get knocked out too fast.

You know, that's not the only victory condition; I don't exactly know why everyone's talking as if it is.

That's not really what I was talking about, though. I meant the people saying Roshi, Tien and the other weak fighters can win against massively stronger opponents through the use of their amazing tactics.

Why do people assume their opponents would be massively stronger than them? How do we power scale characters we know nothing about?

[pacz360]

Well yeah you kinda need strategy and teamwork... Having Goku Vegeta and Gohan be the only ones standing is useless if other universes have 4 people standing.

The team with the most people wins. So in a way you have to make sure your weaker fighters don't get knocked out too fast.

You know, that's not the only victory condition; I don't exactly know why everyone's talking as if it is.

That's not really what I was talking about, though. I meant the people saying Roshi, Tien and the other weak fighters can win against massively stronger opponents through the use of their amazing tactics.

Why do people assume their opponents would be massively stronger than them? How do we power scale characters we know nothing about?

the reason why because were talking about other universe s bringing there ten best fighters sure not all them will be god level but surely the some of the fighters coming could range around from namek saga freeza-super buu level.

[dragonballgeek]

What a treat that would be after months of people going "strategy and teamwork!" over and over.

Well yeah you kinda need strategy and teamwork... Having Goku Vegeta and Gohan be the only ones standing is useless if other universes have 4 people standing.

The team with the most people wins. So in a way you have to make sure your weaker fighters don't get knocked out too fast.

You know, that's not the only victory condition; I don't exactly know why everyone's talking as if it is.

That's not really what I was talking about, though. I meant the people saying Roshi, Tien and the other weak fighters can win against massively stronger opponents through the use of their amazing tactics.

It's not the only victory condition obviously.. It's just a huge one. Individually tien, Roshi and krillin will have to have someone strong with them to help stop them from getting eliminated quickly. Left by themselves, they'll get knocked out asap. I highly expect them to nerf most of the universes to match their strength though. So stupid

[Kanassa]

I second helmetless, capeless Great Saiyaman outfit Gohan.

I just want to see him fight in an outfit that's unique to him. He has multiple battle clothes it's a shame to just toss him in the Gokû dougi. Gohan's his own person after all.

Even though I prefer Gohan with Piccolo gi or his purple gi in early Boo arc this is a good argument why he should back to Saiyaman outfit, they could make him awesome like in Movie 13:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

an ultimate Gohan with a saiyaman outfit is pretty badass, but the question is,will we have a badass stoic Gohan or we're going to have adorkable Gohan in the universe survival Saga, so which one you want

Bad ass, stoic Gohan is annoying. I want compotent Gohan

[Ki Breaker]

Well yeah you kinda need strategy and teamwork... Having Goku Vegeta and Gohan be the only ones standing is useless if other universes have 4 people standing.

The team with the most people wins. So in a way you have to make sure your weaker fighters don't get knocked out too fast.

You know, that's not the only victory condition; I don't exactly know why everyone's talking as if it is.

That's not really what I was talking about, though. I meant the people saying Roshi, Tien and the other weak fighters can win against massively stronger opponents through the use of their amazing tactics.

It's not the only victory condition obviously.. It's just a huge one. Individually tien, Roshi and krillin will have to have someone strong with them to help stop them from getting eliminated quickly. Left by themselves, they'll get knocked out asap. I highly expect them to nerf most of the universes to match their strength though. So stupid

They have 40hrs to search for and think of team work between characters who might not even have met..
You know the concept of working together kind of falls apart when strangers and forced to work together, most don't trust the other..

In our universe's case though, working together will be a piece of cake, we saw it in freeza force fight, we will see it here, them taking out opponents left and right and getting helped by others when they can't Handel anymore is something you can look forward to..
So, Even a strong guy can be taken by surprise when weak ones are good at team work, they don't have to defeat them, just push em out

[SansrivaaL]

You know, that's not the only victory condition; I don't exactly know why everyone's talking as if it is.

That's not really what I was talking about, though. I meant the people saying Roshi, Tien and the other weak fighters can win against massively stronger opponents through the use of their amazing tactics.

It's not the only victory condition obviously.. It's just a huge one. Individually tien, Roshi and krillin will have to have someone strong with them to help stop them from getting eliminated quickly. Left by themselves, they'll get knocked out asap. I highly expect them to nerf most of the universes to match their strength though. So stupid

They have 40hrs to search for and think of team work between characters who might not even have met..
You know the concept of working together kind of falls apart when strangers and forced to work together, most don't trust the other..

In our universe's case though, working together will be a piece of cake, we saw it in freeza force fight, we will see it here, them taking out opponents left and right and getting helped by others when they can't Handel anymore is something you can look forward to..
So, Even a strong guy can be taken by surprise when weak ones are good at team work, they don't have to defeat them, just push em out

If Krillin's down with it, they can use sexy technique, have 18 strip little by little to lure them close enough for the others to push them.