The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[pacz360]

What?

In both the anime and the movies, SSJ3 Goku => Kid Buu > Buuhan

That's just a contradiction in the manga, the source material. In fact it's the only one where fans use it as evidence, while any other they quickly dismiss it.

Not only that he was getting his ass kicked by buutenks let alone buuhan.

[apex_pretador]

Kaioken x15,000,000 Kid Goku vs Namek Freeza

Goku explodes from the kaioken so hard that the entire solar system is annihilated alongwith the explosion, leaving freeza knocked out clean, with his tail gone, and severe burns on his skin. However, Freeza being freeza, he survives this

I think you overestimate Freeza here.

I'm probably overestimating the kaioken.

[RehBeh]

Goku explodes from the kaioken so hard that the entire solar system is annihilated alongwith the explosion, leaving freeza knocked out clean, with his tail gone, and severe burns on his skin. However, Freeza being freeza, he survives this

I think you overestimate Freeza here.

I'm probably overestimating the kaioken.

That too i suppose.

[TheUltimateNinja]

In both the anime and the movies, SSJ3 Goku => Kid Buu > Buuhan

That's just a contradiction in the manga, the source material. In fact it's the only one where fans use it as evidence, while any other they quickly dismiss it.

Not only that he was getting his ass kicked by buutenks let alone buuhan.

He was beating Kid Buu who was stated to be the strongest Buu and the episode title says Goku is the strongest as well.

[RehBeh]

That's just a contradiction in the manga, the source material. In fact it's the only one where fans use it as evidence, while any other they quickly dismiss it.

Not only that he was getting his ass kicked by buutenks let alone buuhan.

He was beating Kid Buu who was stated to be the strongest Buu and the episode title says Goku is the strongest as well.

Contradiction. Boo with Gotenks absorbed says that he is stornger than ever, Goku can't touch him and then in another episode comes that part you mentioned, which by the way it's not in Kai.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Not only that he was getting his ass kicked by buutenks let alone buuhan.

He was beating Kid Buu who was stated to be the strongest Buu and the episode title says Goku is the strongest as well.

Contradiction. Boo with Gotenks absorbed says that he is stornger than ever, Goku can't touch him and then in another episode comes that part you mentioned, which by the way it's not in Kai.

Who said anything about Kai? It has no relation to the anime or the movies.

[RehBeh]

He was beating Kid Buu who was stated to be the strongest Buu and the episode title says Goku is the strongest as well.

Contradiction. Boo with Gotenks absorbed says that he is stornger than ever, Goku can't touch him and then in another episode comes that part you mentioned, which by the way it's not in Kai.

Who said anything about Kai? It has no relation to the anime or the movies.

Isn't Kai the anime without 90% percent of filler?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Contradiction. Boo with Gotenks absorbed says that he is stornger than ever, Goku can't touch him and then in another episode comes that part you mentioned, which by the way it's not in Kai.

Who said anything about Kai? It has no relation to the anime or the movies.

Isn't Kai the anime without 90% percent of filler?

Yes, but it didn't exist back then, the movies were based off the original anime including the filler. Furthermore, is also has an episode title saying Son Goku is the strongest.

[RehBeh]

Who said anything about Kai? It has no relation to the anime or the movies.

Isn't Kai the anime without 90% percent of filler?

Yes, but it didn't exist back then, the movies were based off the original anime including the filler. Furthermore, is also has an episode title saying Son Goku is the strongest.

Yes but they aknowledge that th line was contradictory ad removed it, that was my point. Also Goku being the no.1 (strongest) is in the manga during Vegeta's speech

[TheUltimateNinja]

Isn't Kai the anime without 90% percent of filler?

Yes, but it didn't exist back then, the movies were based off the original anime including the filler. Furthermore, is also has an episode title saying Son Goku is the strongest.

Yes but they aknowledge that th line was contradictory ad removed it, that was my point. Also Goku being the no.1 (strongest) is in the manga during Vegeta's speech

It says Goku is the strongest twice. The first time it calls him No. 1 in the episode where Vegeta makes that speech, and later on it again says he's the strongest when he beats Buu. Also, Rou Kaioshin still says Kid Buu is the most difficult one and Kaioshin says through absorption his power had been reduced, but now he has returned to his original state.

[Noah]

LightBing got me inspired, what-if most DB battles were team based?

- 21st TB Goku & Krillin vs. 21st Jackie Chun
- Master Roshi, Yamcha, Krillin, Bulma and Lunch vs. The Red Ribbon Army
- 22nd TB Yamcha & Krillin vs. 22nd Tenshinhan
- 22nd TB Yamcha & Krillin vs. Tambourine
- Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Master Roshi vs. Old Piccolo Daimao
- 23rd Chaozu, Yamcha, Krillin, Tenshinhan and Shen vs. 23rd TB Piccolo

[RehBeh]

Yes, but it didn't exist back then, the movies were based off the original anime including the filler. Furthermore, is also has an episode title saying Son Goku is the strongest.

Yes but they aknowledge that th line was contradictory ad removed it, that was my point. Also Goku being the no.1 (strongest) is in the manga during Vegeta's speech

It says Goku is the strongest twice. The first time it calls him No. 1 in the episode where Vegeta makes that speech, and later on it again says he's the strongest when he beats Buu. Also, Rou Kaioshin still says Kid Buu is the most difficult one and Kaioshin says through absorption his power had been reduced, but now he has returned to his original state.

By absorbing the Fat Kaioshin his power reduced, the other absorbtions didn't reduce Boo's power. Most difficult dosn't mean stronger.

[Noah]

New matches:

- Dende, Krillin, Gohan (final Zenkai), Piccolo, Vegeta (final Zenkai), Goku (final Zenkai) vs. Final Form Freeza
- Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta vs. Mecha Freeza and King Cold
- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Base Goku (can use Kaioken/SSJ) vs. Android 19 & Android 20
- SSJ Trunks, SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta vs. Android 17 or Android 18
- Tenshinhan, Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Android 17 or Android 18
- Tenshinhan, Krillin, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Imperfect Cell (Gingertown)
- Android 16, Android 17, Android 18 and Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)
- Super Vegeta & Super Trunks vs. Initial Perfect Cell
- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan vs. Perfect Cell
- SSJ Goten, SSJ Trunks, Piccolo, SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku vs. Fat Boo and Babidi
- SSJ2 Vegeta, Good Boo and SSJ3 Goku vs. Kid Boo

[Gog]

Vegetto (SS4) V (Kaio Ken times 20) Buuhan

[DanielSSJ]

New matches:

- Dende, Krillin, Gohan (final Zenkai), Piccolo, Vegeta (final Zenkai), Goku (final Zenkai) vs. Final Form Freeza
- Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta vs. Mecha Freeza and King Cold
- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Base Goku (can use Kaioken/SSJ) vs. Android 19 & Android 20
- SSJ Trunks, SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta vs. Android 17 or Android 18
- Tenshinhan, Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Android 17 or Android 18
- Tenshinhan, Krillin, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Imperfect Cell (Gingertown)
- Android 16, Android 17, Android 18 and Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)
- Super Vegeta & Super Trunks vs. Initial Perfect Cell
- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan vs. Perfect Cell
- SSJ Goten, SSJ Trunks, Piccolo, SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku vs. Fat Boo and Babidi
- SSJ2 Vegeta, Good Boo and SSJ3 Goku vs. Kid Boo

- Unless if Kuririn or someone dies and triggers a Super Saiyan transformation from either Goku or Vegeta, nobody can hope to stand up to Freeza's full power.
- Even if Vegeta miraculously transforms into a Super Saiyan, he'd only be about as strong as Mecha Freeza's full power, who would have King Cold as back-up. Team Earth likely loses.
- So Goku can go Super Saiyan? Assuming he isn't sick here, he and Piccolo make quick work of the androids.
- No. 17 and No. 18 are both a lot stronger than the three Super Saiyans, but I don't think they're strong enough to take them on three-on-one.
- Replacing Goku with Piccolo and Tenshinhan raises the android's odds, but No. 17 did think that No. 18 would have trouble if they all ganged up on her. I'd be generous and say that Team Earth wins with heavy casualties.
- Upon his introduction, Cell is stronger than the three Super Saiyans, but I don't think it's by much. He's certainly not tough enough to fight off both Vegeta and Trunks with Kuririn and Tenshinhan firing pot-shots and generally being nuisances.
- No. 16 is already about as strong as Cell. With the backup of his android brethren and Super Namekian Piccolo, he should have zero issues finishing off bug-man, baring any absorption shenanigans.
- If Perfect Cell is restricted to the power that he used to crush Vegeta and fight off Grade 3 Trunks, the Saiyans have a slim chance. However time is not on their side given Grade 2's energy drain.
- Perfect Cell is very strong, but with the backup of all their allies, I suppose Goku and Gohan have a chance at beating him.
- Given his regeneration, Majin Boo isn't the type of opponent who can be overcome by numbers. Unless if Goku can charge up an overpowered Genki Dama like he did with Pure Boo, no one can pull off an attack powerful and thorough enough to finish Boo off for good. And that's all without considering Bobbidi messing with the good guys' heads with his magic.
- Goku and Pure Boo are already evenly matched with each other, so adding Vegeta and Mr. Boo into the mix certainly boosts his chances by a lot. However, SS3 still consumes stamina like crazy and Pure Boo can't be whittled down, so it's not gonna be easy.

Vegetto (SS4) V (Kaio Ken times 20) Buuhan

Super Vegetto is already about two or three times stronger than Gohan-Boo, so he might be able to beat Boo with just Super Saiyan 3. Super Saiyan 4 is massive overkill.

[Beyond]

- Dende, Krillin, Gohan (final Zenkai), Piccolo, Vegeta (final Zenkai), Goku (final Zenkai) vs. Final Form Freeza

- They all lose to Frieza's overwhelming might or Krillin solar flares and cuts his head off. Distracting Frieza so he can be mafuba'd might also work.

- Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta vs. Mecha Freeza and King Cold

- They all die for sure, unless Vegeta somehow goes ss. Even if Cold and Frieza were fooling around and one of them got cut by Krillin's Kienzan or mafuba'd, the other one would get bloodlusted and kill them all.

- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Base Goku (can use Kaioken/SSJ) vs. Android 19 & Android 20

- IF it's plays out like in cannon except without Vegeta showing up. They will probably lose. 19 probably can't beat Piccolo, but the other can't beat 20, and Goku's dying of a heart attack, so 20 kills the others and then Piccolo.
IF Goku doesn't have the heart virus they win regardless of if they know about energy absorption or not. They'll figure it out fast enough for it not to matter.

- SSJ Trunks, SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta vs. Android 17 or Android 18

- They lose Trunks is too weak to make a difference.

- Tenshinhan, Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Android 17 or Android 18

-Lose even harder.

- Tenshinhan, Krillin, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Imperfect Cell (Gingertown)

Team should win

- Android 16, Android 17, Android 18 and Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)

Piccolo,17, and 18 are non factors. 17 Probably still gets absorbed. Unless 16 holds cell down and Piccolo mafubas him(very unlikely)

- Super Vegeta & Super Trunks vs. Initial Perfect Cell

The duo still loses.

- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan vs. Perfect Cell

I fee like team should be able to win. It depends how strong full power SSJ Gohan was. The saiyans maybe able to wear down cell enough for Gohan to win.

- SSJ Goten, SSJ Trunks, Piccolo, SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku vs. Fat Boo and Babidi

They lose. Mafuba might be able to work if they thought to use it.

- SSJ2 Vegeta, Good Boo and SSJ3 Goku vs. Kid Boo

Without PIS. team wins.


Mafuba is pretty OP too bad it's never use in a team situations.

EDIT:If Piccolo can't instantly materialize the seal and pot, then Mafuba is actually worthless.

[Noah]

mafuba'd might also work.

...cut by Krillin's Kienzan or mafuba'd...

Unless 16 holds cell down and Piccolo mafubas him(very unlikely)

They lose. Mafuba might be able to work if they thought to use it.

Mafuba is pretty OP too bad it's never use in a team situations.

EDIT:If Piccolo can't instantly materialize the seal and pot, then Mafuba is actually worthless.

You do like this technique, don't you? Either way I don't think it could work that easily in most of these situations

Without PIS. team wins.

What is PIS?

[Beyond]

mafuba'd might also work.

...cut by Krillin's Kienzan or mafuba'd...

Unless 16 holds cell down and Piccolo mafubas him(very unlikely)

They lose. Mafuba might be able to work if they thought to use it.

Mafuba is pretty OP too bad it's never use in a team situations.

EDIT:If Piccolo can't instantly materialize the seal and pot, then Mafuba is actually worthless.

You do like this technique, don't you? Either way I don't think it could work that easily in most of these situations

Without PIS. team wins.

What is PIS?

PIS is Plot induced stupidity. Maybe I'm overrating the mafuba, but being able to seal enemies that are way stornger than you with just a jar and a wave sounds broken, but it is anticlimactic and boring.

[apex_pretador]

New matches:

- Dende, Krillin, Gohan (final Zenkai), Piccolo, Vegeta (final Zenkai), Goku (final Zenkai) vs. Final Form Freeza
- Chaozu, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta vs. Mecha Freeza and King Cold
- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo, Base Goku (can use Kaioken/SSJ) vs. Android 19 & Android 20
- SSJ Trunks, SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta vs. Android 17 or Android 18
- Tenshinhan, Piccolo, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Android 17 or Android 18
- Tenshinhan, Krillin, SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks vs. Imperfect Cell (Gingertown)
- Android 16, Android 17, Android 18 and Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell (Post Humans)
- Super Vegeta & Super Trunks vs. Initial Perfect Cell
- Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Piccolo, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan vs. Perfect Cell
- SSJ Goten, SSJ Trunks, Piccolo, SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku vs. Fat Boo and Babidi
- SSJ2 Vegeta, Good Boo and SSJ3 Goku vs. Kid Boo

-Depending upon freeza's mentality, it ends in either deaths of all of them, or goku turns super saiyan again and wins the hard fought battle.
-Either one solos with a huge energy blast.
-Piccolo solos, goku solos
-1 vs 3, the saiyans win.
- Tenshinhan is irrelevant. 17 wins, 18 loses.
- Cell will absorb the power of Tenshinhan and krillin, then goad vegeta into coming up close and absorb his power too. In a straight up fight, he doesn't have a decent chance against 2 super saiyans.
- Cell manhandles.
- Gohan dies again, piccolo can't do much and kids are fodder. Goku and vegeta fight again.
- Already happened, the team was losing without spirit bomb. Here, the spirit bomb won't be enough without gohan, kids, krillin and co, mr satan helping them out.

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSJ Goku, SSJ Trunks, SSJ Vegeta, Piccolo & Cell (Pre) vs 17 & 18