"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[lord turbo]

Movie, no longer has effect anymore, Goku never lost that form in the manga.

BOG and ROF Movies were written by Akira Toriyama. That's the problem here.

Goku absorbed SSG in BOG Movie and that's why his power didn't decrease exponentially when the effect wore off.
In ROF Movie, Goku base form can keep up with Freeza stronger final form because of that.

The form was always treated as something that they can only use through the ritual.

Super took the plot points written by Toriyama and expanded them.
Toyotaro is ignoring something that happened in the Movies and he's using the form in a wrong away.

Small correction, but in the BoG movie its stated Goku's power never decreased at all when he lost SSJG, he remained the same level of power. The same thing is said and repeated in the DBS anime. The DBS manga is the only one were Goku keeps the form all the way until the end and then loses it without retaining and of its power.

[Freeza9000]

Here's come a new challenger, super Saiyan God Vegeta,oh boy I have a weird feeling the power scaling is going to get screwed

Observe his beauty

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Agameyo, Tataeyo! Utsukishii Kami!

What does that mean

Revere him, praise him. The beautiful god. You know, Merged Zamasu's introductory speech or something at least resembling it.

[Totamo]

Its called fanservice.

I don't know if I should call it "fanservice", when he ignored something that Akira Toriyama wrote just to do his own version.
Unless Toriyama allowed him, disrespect is a more appropriate word.

No no, he is ignoring toriyama for fanservice because people wanted more of this form so he gives it to him.

[sintzu]

OMG SSG Vegeta!!! As a Vegeta fan the manga once again delivers in ways I've only dreamed of!!

Also Vegeta has SSG.

Also Vegeta has SSG.

I've been saying he had it in the manga canon since the torunament and everyone said I was crazy, it's so good to be right.

Anyway, it's great to see him have it and hopefully it'll be in the games soon.

It looks like Toyotaru is trating SsjG and SsjB as different levels while the anime is trating them as one form with Red being reached through the ritual and Blue being reached when the Saiyan uses their own power.

[IKevinX]

OMG reaction for SSG Vegeta. I can't wait to see the translations.

Merged Zamasu has some really big hands. O_o
Loved his hair though.

Shame that it seems to be the last manga page. So.. another month for the finale it seems.

[mfwlegend3]

Toriyama encourages Toyotaro to do his own thing, so I wouldn't see Toriyama having an issue with this. It's nothing major, or at least, something he would consider to be major.

[Kanassa]

Oh, yeah. SSG Vegeta. That's... Uh... Something?

[sintzu]

which makes me think Vegeta did the ritual off-screen in the manga.

He can use Blue which is stronger so it makes sense for him to be able to use the weaker forms as well.

[FortuneSSJ]

which makes me think Vegeta did the ritual off-screen in the manga.

He can use Blue which is stronger so it makes sense for him to be able to use the weaker forms as well.

That means he will use SSJ3 in the next chapter too?!

[sintzu]

That means he will use SSJ3 in the next chapter too?!

He's way above the level that 3 requires so he can probably use it whenever he wants.

Toyotaro is ignoring something that happened in the Movies and he's using the form in a wrong away.

Don't you remember that Goku dropped out of it in the movie then when he couldn't stop Beerus' attack he transformed into it again for a few seconds ?

[Zephyr]

Difference is Yamcha was still able to chew. Gowasu doesn't even have pupils now, how would he swallow the bean?

I thought the issue was with the senzu's ability to heal the wound, not with the person's ability to eat it. Regardless, they got around that very problem in RoF with Gohan.

what's even the point to use a form weaker than SSB?!

As was already established, it's stronger than SSj3, but doesn't have the multi-use drawback of Blue. They're probably saving Blue.

Unless Toriyama allowed him, disrespect is a more appropriate word.

I think "disrespect" is a bit of a melodramatic way to describe taking some liberties with pedantic in-universe minutia.

[Doctor.]

How is SSG still useful at this point?

[sintzu]

The franchise lives on Ssj forms now so why not ? they're giving everyone (minus Goten) every form so it was only a matter of time before Vegeta got this one.

I'm not a fan of how Ssj forms are the life blood of the franchise now but I'd be lying if I said I didn't get excited when they do give someone (especially Vegeta) a new form so I get why they do it.

Vegeta getting SsjG in the manga is the closest canon product we'll see him use it in so if someone (like me) has been wanting it to happen, here it is. hopefully he'll get 3 next.

[OLKv3]

Toriyama approves all of Toyo's changes before he releases the chapter. If it was disrespectful, it wouldn't be published, period. He looks over Toyo's work and makes corrections as well

[FortuneSSJ]

Toyotaro is ignoring something that happened in the Movies and he's using the form in a wrong away.

Don't you remember that Goku dropped out of it in the movie then when he couldn't stop Beerus' attack he transformed into it again for a few seconds ?

I remember, but there's a little detail. The blue aura than he receives before transforming felt like it came from everyone rooting for him on Earth.

The Dragon Team screams for his name and this happens:



I always took it as a desperate move that managed him to use SSG transformation one last time before it disappear forever.

[MathSSJ]

How is SSG still useful at this point?

Toyotaro has a boner for it and SSj2.

[mfwlegend3]

Toriyama approves all of Toyo's changes before he releases the chapter. If it was disrespectful, it wouldn't be published, period. He looks over Toyo's work and makes corrections as well

Oh, look. Someone with sense.

[zamasu121]

The franchise lives on Ssj forms now so why not ? they're giving everyone (minus Goten) every form so it was only a matter of time before Vegeta got this one.

I'm not a fan of how Ssj forms are the life blood of the franchise now but I'd be lying if I said I didn't get excited when they do give someone (especially Vegeta) a new form so I get why they do it.

Vegeta getting SsjG in the manga is the closest canon product we'll see him use it in so if someone (like me) has been wanting it to happen, here it is. hopefully he'll get 3 next.

It just seems a little unnecessary and kinda forced, but i don't really have an issue with this.

[Noah]

Someone has not seen episode of bardock or wrath of the dragon.

Come on you can't compare M13 with EOB for god's sake, M13 was one of the best Toei original movies and EOB was pure garbage.

Observe his beauty
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Also Vegeta has SSG.

Now, that's interesting! I like how Toyotaro uses SSJG often, it gives the transformation a meaning for its existence and I do prefer a lot Vegeta having SSJG instead of him becoming God-tier by himself and be able to turn Blue out of his ass

Toyotaro is ignoring something that happened in the Movies and he's using the form in a wrong away.

Do you know that Toyotaro do not work alone in the manga, right? Toriyama keep him in check, so we clearly seeing a retcon here, mate.

The franchise lives on Ssj forms now so why not ? they're giving everyone (minus Goten) every form so it was only a matter of time before Vegeta got this one.

Sorry, but did Heroes already gave SSJG and SSJB to Gohan, Trunks, Bardock and Broly? So I don't think it's a good comparison, Vegeta having SSJG is not mere fanservice, is plugging a hole made by anime.

[sintzu]

I can't wait to see how this arc ende. it's been really good to Vegeta so far. He got the 1st and only main fight in the start, he got to beat up black in Ssj2 and now he has SsjG. As a Vegeta fan this easily surpasses what we got in the anime and that was great.