"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[The gr]

How is SSG still useful at this point?

Toyotaro has a boner for it and SSj2.

Nooooo,I wanted to say that, Damn you

[kinisking]

He actually looks dead here. BS if a senzu restores this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Why would it be BS for a senzu to heal something it's healed before?

Difference is Yamcha was still able to chew. Gowasu doesn't even have pupils now, how would he swallow the bean?

I'm pretty sure Gohan didn't have eyes when he got his NECK broken. If Gohan could survive that, then this isn't crazy.

[Doctor.]

I'm really interested in how they're beating Black now. Because when Black was able to beat SSB Vegeta as a Super Saiyan, something tells me this chapter is full of bullshit.

[sintzu]

Did Heroes already gIve SSJG and SSJB to Gohan, Trunks, Bardock and Broly?

Vegeta having SSJG is not mere fanservice.

Gohan and Broly got Ssj3 & Ssj4, Trunks and Bardock got Ssj3 so it's only a matter of time before they get the rest of them.

Regardless of what it is, I'm happy it happened.

[Noah]

Goku nor Vegeta look like they've received any damage, which probably suggests that it wasn't much of a scuffle. If Goku never fought Black, I'll be highly disappointed.

Yeah, I will be too I don't like how the manga force this Black x Vegeta stuff just because he looks like Goku and "errr... durrr... must beat an enemy that looks like Kakarot"

[TheMathemagician]

Vegeta getting SSG is something we should have seen already, so glad we got to see it now.

[BlueBasilisk]

Just have someone chew it up and spit it in his mouth. Worked pretty well for Mai. Or have Shin whisk him off to Kibito and heal him that way.

[mfwlegend3]

Toyotaro could easily make it so Black doesn't have to be beaten to have him and Future Zamasu fuse. Black could unseal Zamasu, and suggest that they fuse so Goku and Vegeta couldn't pull another stunt like that again.

[The gr]

I'm really interested in how they're beating Black now. Because when Black was able to beat SSB Vegeta as a Super Saiyan, something tells me this chapter is full of bullshit.

I'm making a prediction on why black loss,is because he got his strength cut to 1/10, because honestly that is the only logical and less bs route or unless they fuse for a different reason

[kinisking]

Goku nor Vegeta look like they've received any damage, which probably suggests that it wasn't much of a scuffle. If Goku never fought Black, I'll be highly disappointed.

Yeah, I will be too I don't like how the manga force this Black x Vegeta stuff just because he looks like Goku and "errr... durrr... must beat an enemy that looks like Kakarot"

Maybe it has something to do with Black being the one who ruined his alternate son's life ?

[Doctor.]

Goku nor Vegeta look like they've received any damage, which probably suggests that it wasn't much of a scuffle. If Goku never fought Black, I'll be highly disappointed.

Yeah, I will be too I don't like how the manga force this Black x Vegeta stuff just because he looks like Goku and "errr... durrr... must beat an enemy that looks like Kakarot"

Maybe it has something to do with Black being the one who ruined his alternate son's life ?

Then Trunks himself should get the spotlight. Vegeta had a minimal role in the Cell arc.

[sintzu]

Yeah, I will be too I don't like how the manga force this Black x Vegeta stuff just because he looks like Goku and "errr... durrr... must beat an enemy that looks like Kakarot"

Maybe it has something to do with Black being the one who ruined his alternate son's life ?

The minute the arc was announced I thought it would make sense to have him be Vegeta's "villain" because of that so I'm happy to see the manga doing it.

Toyotaru's chapter goes through Toriyama so he's also OK with it or maybe the fights Goku had with him in the anime weren't even in Toriyama's script.

This doesn't mean the anime's version was bad but as a Vegeta fan, this is a lot better.

[Noah]

Maybe it has something to do with Black being the one who ruined his alternate son's life ?

Then Trunks himself should get the spotlight. Vegeta had a minimal role in the Cell arc.

You can't compare Cell arc Vegeta to current Vegeta, but the manga is vague about his motivations and he willing saying that he would like to take Black just because he looks like Goku seems dumb to me, not having Goku fighting with his "evil clone" not even once is a loss as they had chemistry interacting in the anime.

[micah007]

So far only one page leak right?

[FortuneSSJ]

Toyotaro could easily make it so Black doesn't have to be beaten to have him and Future Zamasu fuse. Black could unseal Zamasu, and suggest that they fuse so Goku and Vegeta couldn't pull another stunt like that again.

Considering how Black's character is in the manga, he will just get shocked when he sees they are trying to seal the other Zamasu. I'm waiting for those panels.

[TheMikado]

Its called fanservice.

I don't know if I should call it "fanservice", when he ignored something that Akira Toriyama wrote just to do his own version.
Unless Toriyama allowed him, disrespect is a more appropriate word.

So obviously no one explained this to you but the movies are their own continuity! Goku was 70% Beerus in the movies but obviously not the case in the anime. Each telling of the story is different and cannot be mixed. Further we know that Toriyama personally reviews the manga and makes corrections and suggestions to the manga so if he didn't like it he would have told Toyotaro because he's changed things before

[sintzu]

Not having Goku fighting with his "evil clone" not even once is a loss as they had chemistry interacting in the anime.

Maybe the anime doing it so well is why Toyotaru is doing it his way instead.

It reminds me of the RF arc where the writers decided to change things around a bit to differenciate it from the movie.

[The gr]

Yeah, I will be too I don't like how the manga force this Black x Vegeta stuff just because he looks like Goku and "errr... durrr... must beat an enemy that looks like Kakarot"

Maybe it has something to do with Black being the one who ruined his alternate son's life ?

Then Trunks himself should get the spotlight. Vegeta had a minimal role in the Cell arc.

what do you mean, veggie did have a bigger role in the artificial human/cell arc,I mean he is the key of cell obtaining his perfection,the reason why trunks exist,showing grade transformation and he is the only one who appear in the beam struggle in toriyama vision, and the fact he saved Goku and trashed #19

So far only one page leak right?

there's two,so far

Toyotaro could easily make it so Black doesn't have to be beaten to have him and Future Zamasu fuse. Black could unseal Zamasu, and suggest that they fuse so Goku and Vegeta couldn't pull another stunt like that again.

Considering how Black's character is in the manga, he will just get shocked when he sees they are trying to seal the other Zamasu.

that scenario is highly possible

[Doctor.]

Maybe it has something to do with Black being the one who ruined his alternate son's life ?

Then Trunks himself should get the spotlight. Vegeta had a minimal role in the Cell arc.

You can't compare Cell arc Vegeta to current Vegeta, but the manga is vague about his motivations and he willing saying that he would like to take Black just because he looks like Goku seems dumb to me, not having Goku fighting with his "evil clone" not even once is a loss as they had chemistry interacting in the anime.

It's not about manga vs anime. Both mediums had the "Vegeta beats Rosé Black after training" plot point (in the manga's case, presumably, but it's a fair assumption). It's Toriyama's writing that I'm criticizing. The point is that Trunks and Goku both have a bigger connection to Black than Vegeta does. This would be the same as having Tenshinhan beat Piccolo Daimao.

[OLKv3]

Honestly, in this arc, Goku feels like a support character for once. I guess this lines up with Toriyama's wish to have a story where Vegeta takes the lead, even though it's called the Future Trunks arc.

I do wish we get Goku vs Black at least once though. Evil Goku never fights Good Goku? Come on..

Also, I don't think Black will take his loss to Vegeta as calmly as he did in the anime. Anime Black was different from other villains because he never lost his cool. Manga Black is a traditional DB villain