Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheMikado]

A new challenger has entered the ring. SSG Vegeta! Go!

[pacz360]

A new challenger has entered the ring. SSG Vegeta! Go!

Wait for for more scans if he beats down ssjr black that be some grade a bull shit.

[Bullza]

First off where is stated buu>piccolo gonna plus frost was weakened in his fight against goku Second who to say gohan didn't get any stronger the guy was complimented by champa for being tough plus trained with piccolo for eight months

Buu was the first choice, the one they "couldn't go without" whereas Piccolo was the second choice he "supposed". So Buu should be stronger than Piccolo.

If it means anything in the manga he never really trained at all. Gohan was around as strong as Piccolo. He might still because he hasn't been shown to do anything since or he could be at his Ultimate level which we'll find out eventually.

Let's also mentioned how base goku did better against beerus who put more effort in his fight against him then he did in bog against everyone before ssj god

He'd have to be a Saiyan Beyond God there too. It's not something that really makes a whole lot of sense in the story, I just think it's a matter of production complications and that's it.

I think Toriyama decided against Goku absorbing the power of God when he started working on Super and instead made it a transformation. He wrote the Universe 6 saga in mind that the characters were Cell/Buu saga level.

The anime came first though and just stuck to what happened in the movies. Which created all the confusion ever since because in the anime Goku and Vegeta were much too strong for the story that was being told.

Now it looks like the anime has corrected itself to where they should be.

[The gr]

I have breaking news Powerscalers,I think you guys are going to have a stressful day scaling ssg Vegeta

[ZombieVito]

I have breaking news Powerscalers,I think you guys are going to have a stressful day scaling ssg Vegeta

Luckily I don't give a fuck about the Super manga and it's power levels.

[pacz360]

First off where is stated buu>piccolo gonna plus frost was weakened in his fight against goku Second who to say gohan didn't get any stronger the guy was complimented by champa for being tough plus trained with piccolo for eight months

Buu was the first choice, the one they "couldn't go without" whereas Piccolo was the second choice he "supposed". So Buu should be stronger than Piccolo.

If it means anything in the manga he never really trained at all. Gohan was around as strong as Piccolo. He might still because he hasn't been shown to do anything since or he could be at his Ultimate level which we'll find out eventually.

Let's also mentioned how base goku did better against beerus who put more effort in his fight against him then he did in bog against everyone before ssj god

He'd have to be a Saiyan Beyond God there too. It's not something that really makes a whole lot of sense in the story, I just think it's a matter of production complications and that's it.

I think Toriyama decided against Goku absorbing the power of God when he started working on Super and instead made it a transformation. He wrote the Universe 6 saga in mind that the characters were Cell/Buu saga level.

The anime came first though and just stuck to what happened in the movies. Which created all the confusion ever since because in the anime Goku and Vegeta were much too strong for the story that was being told.

Now it looks like the anime has corrected itself to where they should be.

There no recton so get crap outta of there unless stated by akira also saiyan beyond god wasn't even coined in the anime.
The anime has goku absorbed the god power in his ssj form which it was stated by beerus
No point trying to use manga scaling with the anime due to major difference in both versions
So again quit trying to use the recton bs

[The gr]

I have breaking news Powerscalers,I think you guys are going to have a stressful day scaling ssg Vegeta

Luckily I don't give a fuck about the Super manga and it's power levels.

Yeesh fuck is a exaggeration, honestly I have gotten used to the clunky power scaling in dragon Ball super thanks to Vegeta ssj2 overpowering a ssj Black, trunks WTF power in the Anime, Base goku doing a better job than ssb Vegeta against Vegeta,chap 13 figth with hit etc.at this point I'm watching DBS for entertainment, but I'm going to hold my judgement on super Saiyan God Vegeta

[ZombieVito]

I have breaking news Powerscalers,I think you guys are going to have a stressful day scaling ssg Vegeta

Luckily I don't give a fuck about the Super manga and it's power levels.

Yeesh fuck is a exaggeration, honestly I have gotten used to the clunky power scaling in dragon Ball super thanks to Vegeta ssj2 overpowering a ssj Black, trunks WTF power in the Anime, Base goku doing a better job than ssb Vegeta,chap 13 figth with hit etc.at this point I'm watching DBS for entertainment, but I'm going to hold my judgement on super Saiyan God Vegeta

I don't think I will ever get over how the manga humiliated and made Piccolo a bitch. After that chapter I only read the one where SSJ2 Vegeta owned SSJ Black and that was enough.

That's why I only do power levels for the anime, they respected Piccolo.

[The gr]

Luckily I don't give a fuck about the Super manga and it's power levels.

Yeesh fuck is a exaggeration, honestly I have gotten used to the clunky power scaling in dragon Ball super thanks to Vegeta ssj2 overpowering a ssj Black, trunks WTF power in the Anime, Base goku doing a better job than ssb Vegeta,chap 13 figth with hit etc.at this point I'm watching DBS for entertainment, but I'm going to hold my judgement on super Saiyan God Vegeta

I don't think I will ever get over how the manga humiliated and made Piccolo a bitch. After that chapter I only read the one where SSJ2 Vegeta owned SSJ Black and that was enough.

That's why I only do power levels for the anime, they respected Piccolo.

Yeah like piccolo was always a useful character in DBZ and the manga ruined him sarcasm,are people still salty about that, they both they shitted on him,he serve no purpose there, through the Anime they slightly gave him more screentime, other than that toriyama outline must have said, piccolo come up with a strategy,he pushed frost to a corner,frost nails him with a sting,and the the match ended quickly

[Triggered Vegeta]

A new challenger has entered the ring. SSG Vegeta! Go!

I would've been so confused, luckily I just watched UnrealEntGaming's video... ssjG Vegeta what!!

Well ssjG Goku was said to be above 10% of ssgss Vegeta in the manga I believe, so there's that.

[ZombieVito]

Yeesh fuck is a exaggeration, honestly I have gotten used to the clunky power scaling in dragon Ball super thanks to Vegeta ssj2 overpowering a ssj Black, trunks WTF power in the Anime, Base goku doing a better job than ssb Vegeta,chap 13 figth with hit etc.at this point I'm watching DBS for entertainment, but I'm going to hold my judgement on super Saiyan God Vegeta

I don't think I will ever get over how the manga humiliated and made Piccolo a bitch. After that chapter I only read the one where SSJ2 Vegeta owned SSJ Black and that was enough.

That's why I only do power levels for the anime, they respected Piccolo.

Yeah like piccolo was always a useful character in DBZ and the manga ruined him sarcasm,are people still salty about that, they both they shitted on him,he serve no purpose there, through the Anime they slightly gave him more screentime, other than that toriyama outline must have said, piccolo come up with a strategy,he pushed frost to a corner,frost nails him with a sting,and the the match ended quickly

No. Piccolo acts differently in both fights.

In the manga Piccolo resigned to lose the second the match began and he limited himself to only make Frost lose stamina.

In the anime Piccolo actually tries to win and never tries to make Frost lose stamina.

People saying the fights were similar truly baffle me.

[The gr]

I don't think I will ever get over how the manga humiliated and made Piccolo a jabroni. After that chapter I only read the one where SSJ2 Vegeta owned SSJ Black and that was enough.

That's why I only do power levels for the anime, they respected Piccolo.

Yeah like piccolo was always a useful character in DBZ and the manga ruined him sarcasm,are people still salty about that, they both they shitted on him,he serve no purpose there, through the Anime they slightly gave him more screentime, other than that toriyama outline must have said, piccolo come up with a strategy,he pushed frost to a corner,frost nails him with a sting,and the the match ended quickly

No. Piccolo acts differently in both fights.

In the manga Piccolo resigned to lose the second the match began and he limited himself to only make Frost lose stamina.

In the anime Piccolo actually tries to win and never tries to make Frost lose stamina.

People saying the fights were similar truly baffles me.

I'm not saying the figths are similar,I'm saying the outcomes are the same

[Bullza]

There no recton so get crap outta of there unless stated by akira also saiyan beyond god wasn't even coined in the anime.
The anime has goku absorbed the god power in his ssj form which it was stated by beerus

Oh there was definitely a retcon somewhere. He absorbed it in his Super Saiyan form against Beerus making him as strong as God yet in the last episode they said Goku was at the level of Gods when he turned Blue, not Yellow.

Base Goku was a couple hundred times stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan in the Resurrection F saga. He then trained for three years. Increased his strength several fold throughout the Future Trunks saga and yet...now he's just as strong as Base Gohan who did a few months worth of retraining.

They nerfed him because as the manga showed he was never supposed to be as strong as he was made out to be.

[pacz360]

There no recton so get crap outta of there unless stated by akira also saiyan beyond god wasn't even coined in the anime.
The anime has goku absorbed the god power in his ssj form which it was stated by beerus

Oh there was definitely a retcon somewhere. He absorbed it in his Super Saiyan form against Beerus making him as strong as God yet in the last episode they said Goku was at the level of Gods when he turned Blue, not Yellow.

Base Goku was a couple hundred times stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan in the Resurrection F saga. He then trained for three years. Increased his strength several fold throughout the Future Trunks saga and yet...now he's just as strong as Base Gohan who did a few months worth of retraining.

They nerfed him because as the manga showed he was never supposed to be as strong as he was made out to be.

There no recton Unless proven otherwise gohan and Co was able to sense goku back despite him absorbing the god form back in the bog arc
Unless it been stated or implied in the anime there no rectons whatsoever.
Let's see next episode and future considering goku in his ssj form fighting toppo who stated to be strong enough to be a potential next god of destruction.

[Bullza]

There no recton Unless proven otherwise gohan and Co was able to sense goku back despite him absorbing the god form back in the bog arc
Unless it been stated or implied in the anime there no rectons whatsoever.

I don't know what that has to do with anything I said. He was without a doubt as strong as Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan fighting Beerus yes.

In the manga Super Saiyan isn't as strong as Super God. The manga seems as though it would be much closer to Toriyama's intentions based on things he's said in the past.

So in the anime Super Saiyan Goku isn't as strong as Super Saiyan God anymore to match that, as a few things seem to imply. If he wasn't on the level of Gods as a Super Saiyan in the last episode but was said to be beyond the level of Gods when he fought Beerus then that's a change.

[pacz360]

There no recton Unless proven otherwise gohan and Co was able to sense goku back despite him absorbing the god form back in the bog arc
Unless it been stated or implied in the anime there no rectons whatsoever.

I don't know what that has to do with anything I said. He was without a doubt as strong as Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan fighting Beerus yes.

In the manga Super Saiyan isn't as strong as Super God. The manga seems as though it would be much closer to Toriyama's intentions based on things he's said in the past.

So in the anime Super Saiyan Goku isn't as strong as Super Saiyan God anymore to match that, as a few things seem to imply. If he wasn't on the level of Gods as a Super Saiyan in the last episode but was said to be beyond the level of Gods when he fought Beerus then that's a change.

Again unless it been stated in or out of universe that things changed there's no recton ssj goku =ssj god until state other wise

[buutenks]

I'll go with retcon, makes more sense than everybody and their mother are ssg level.

[Basako]

A new challenger has entered the ring. SSG Vegeta! Go!

Yeah, let's see. Manga speaking:

Chapter 19:
SSB Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS1/2 Black > Base Black > SS2 Trunks

Chapter 20:
SSR Black > SS1/2 Black > SSB Vegeta

Chapter 22:
Vegeta SSG > Black SSR

It's a mess.

[TheMikado]

A new challenger has entered the ring. SSG Vegeta! Go!

Yeah, let's see. Manga speaking:

Chapter 19:
SSB Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS1/2 Black > Base Black > SS2 Trunks

Chapter 20:
SSR Black > SS1/2 Black > SSB Vegeta

Chapter 22:
Vegeta SSG > Black SSR

It's a mess.

Well in both the anime and manga Vegeta gets a huge boost after training in the RoSAT alone, to which I call 100% BS but I guess the outline wanted to pull a "Super Vegeta" moment like in the android saga and it's just coming off as awful...

[Lord Beerus]

A new challenger has entered the ring. SSG Vegeta! Go!

Yeah, let's see. Manga speaking:

Chapter 19:
SSB Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS1/2 Black > Base Black > SS2 Trunks

Chapter 20:
SSR Black > SS1/2 Black > SSB Vegeta

Chapter 22:
Vegeta SSG > Black SSR

It's a mess.

Well in both the anime and manga Vegeta gets a huge boost after training in the RoSAT alone, to which I call 100% BS but I guess the outline wanted to pull a "Super Vegeta" moment like in the android saga and it's just coming off as awful...

And on top of this, if Vegeta is that much stronger as a SSJG after training in the ROSAT, then surely he should power up to SSJB and finish off SSJR Goku Black? I mean, the jump in power he made in the ROSAT was insane for him to be kicking SSJR Goku Black's ass as a SSJG. If Vegeta doesn't go SSJB against SSJR Goku Black, he's an idiot because SSJB is at the very least X10 stronger than SSJG in the manga. He could end this fight instantly. I hope to God Toyotaro explains this shit.