"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Araki]

Goku accessing SSG like that whenever he wants is clearly Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

Goku did that in BOG at the end.

As far as we know he can't do that and it would make no sense anyway. Goku made that power his', already.

[TheMathemagician]

I prefer the manga over all, but I've really been disappointed with some of the choices made with this arc, regardless if it was what Toriyama originally intended for it to be like. From Goku's uselessness to Black's personality.

Probably what I really hate in this saga. Black is so damn boring in the manga.

[MathSSJ]

Goku accessing SSG like that whenever he wants is clearly Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

Goku did that in BOG at the end.

He did it unintentionally. The next time we see Goku, he is already using Blue as the default form.

Unless we see some specific mention of Tori wanting to use God, and Toei completely ignoring it, it is Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

[Black Hawk]

Unless we see some specific mention of Tori wanting to use God, and Toei completely ignoring it, it is Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

I'm curious as to your reasoning for this belief, rather than the other way around with Super Saiyajin Blue Kaiōken. I don't mean that in a condescending way, I promise; I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel that way about SSJG but not Kaiōken.

[mfwlegend3]

I don't know if this is true, but according to some anon who has the V-Jump issue, because SSR is essentially SSB but a different variation of it, it has the same side effects as Blue in the sense that it can't be used on and off otherwise the it'll weaken the form, which is why Vegeta is in SSG.

I hope to god that this isn't true, because Black turned SSR off for a whole day.

[OLKv3]

I don't know if this is true, but according to some anon who has the V-Jump issue, because SSR is essentially SSB but a different variation of it, it has the same side effects as Blue in the sense that it can't be used on and off otherwise the it'll weaken the form, which is why Vegeta is in SSG.

I hope to god that this isn't true, because Black turned SSR off for a whole day.

He's talking out of his ass. People are trolling now with fake info because there's only 2 scans. Also, that would completely nullify the point of Vegeta training in the first place if he just gets a handicap due to the villain's ignorance

[Totamo]

Evil Goku never fights Good Goku? Come on..

Goku has done nothing in this arc aside from (and that's assuming he did it in the recent chapter) attempting to seal Future Zamasu. I also hated the way he was taken out in their first trip by Future Zamasu.

Yeah it was...weird to say the least. He's just suddenly back in normal SSJ and getting frozen. Also don't like how he's taking orders from Vegeta. If the manga is closer to the barebones script they get, then Toei definitely did Goku favors making him more prominent in the arc

Did you read the complaints and watch videos about Goku's character in that arc.


At least no one is complaining about that here.

[mfwlegend3]

He could be, but this sounds like something Toyotaro would do.

[OLKv3]

He could be, but this sounds like something Toyotaro would do.

He's the same guy who posted a cover of last month's V-Jump and tried to claim it was this month's

Goku has done nothing in this arc aside from (and that's assuming he did it in the recent chapter) attempting to seal Future Zamasu. I also hated the way he was taken out in their first trip by Future Zamasu.

Yeah it was...weird to say the least. He's just suddenly back in normal SSJ and getting frozen. Also don't like how he's taking orders from Vegeta. If the manga is closer to the barebones script they get, then Toei definitely did Goku favors making him more prominent in the arc

Did you read the complaints and watch videos about Goku's character in that arc.


At least no one is complaining about that here.

The complaints were about his rampant stupidity, but most people praised his fights with Black, especially the ones vs Rose.

[MathSSJ]

Unless we see some specific mention of Tori wanting to use God, and Toei completely ignoring it, it is Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

I'm curious as to your reasoning for this belief, rather than the other way around with Super Saiyajin Blue Kaiōken. I don't mean that in a condescending way, I promise; I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel that way about SSJG but not Kaiōken.

I don't feel Kaioken was necessary either, even though I'm an unashamed fanboy of the technique, and they fucked up by having Goku go x10 but between it and making SSJ God a generic beatstick transformation when it was anything but in the movie, Kaioken it is. Bonus points for showing the effects it had on Goku's body when pushed too far.

The Super retelling of BoG was god awful, but at least Toei had the decency to not bring back SSJ God. It had a reason to exist and, as much as I really love the design, it served it's purpose and the story moved away from it with Blue's introduction.

The complaints were about his rampant stupidity, but most people praised his fights with Black, especially the ones vs Rose.

Reverting back to Super Saiyan, when he is completely aware of how SSJB works, against Zamasu only to get immediately taken out by hax in the middle of a fight where SSJ Rosé Black is right next to him is pretty moronic as well.

[sailorspazz]

Well, we haven't seen enough pages to determine if this is the full speech yet, but on the leaked page Zamasu says the following: "You should rejoice that you are able to look upon this form, mortals. This is the birth of the sole god in all the universes...Zamasu."

Meh...muuuuch prefer the "praise me, adore me!" speech from the anime over that. Though I do appreciate that Toyotarou has at least drawn Merged Zamasu in a more appealing way than that first image from a few months ago...he actually looks sorta beautiful.

[TheMathemagician]

He could be, but this sounds like something Toyotaro would do.

He's the same guy who posted a cover of last month's V-Jump and tried to claim it was this month's

Yeah it was...weird to say the least. He's just suddenly back in normal SSJ and getting frozen. Also don't like how he's taking orders from Vegeta. If the manga is closer to the barebones script they get, then Toei definitely did Goku favors making him more prominent in the arc

Did you read the complaints and watch videos about Goku's character in that arc.


At least no one is complaining about that here.

The complaints were about his rampant stupidity, but most people praised his fights with Black, especially the ones vs Rose.

His rage moment is also cited as one of the best scenes in the series too. As much as this next scene didn't make much sense, I'd be lying if I said it didn't look cool to see Goku flex on a guy (Merged Zamasu) with no hands.

[Black Hawk]

I don't feel Kaioken was necessary either, even though I'm an unashamed fanboy of the technique, and they fucked up by having Goku go x10 but between it and making SSJ God a generic beatstick transformation when it was anything but in the movie, Kaioken it is. Bonus points for showing the effects it had on Goku's body when pushed too far.

Ah, I understand. I do agree that Super Saiyajin Blue Kaiōken x10 was a bit unbelievable.

Using the Kaiōken on top of Super Saiyajin Blue only has a 10% chance of working, otherwise I'll probably die.

And now I'm gonna kick it up to Kaiōken x10 because I haven't gambled with my life enough today.

[Totamo]

Unless we see some specific mention of Tori wanting to use God, and Toei completely ignoring it, it is Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

I'm curious as to your reasoning for this belief, rather than the other way around with Super Saiyajin Blue Kaiōken. I don't mean that in a condescending way, I promise; I'm genuinely curious as to why you feel that way about SSJG but not Kaiōken.

I don't feel Kaioken was necessary either, even though I'm an unashamed fanboy of the technique, and they fucked up by having Goku go x10 but between it and making SSJ God a generic beatstick transformation when it was anything but in the movie, Kaioken it is. Bonus points for showing the effects it had on Goku's body when pushed too far.

The Super retelling of BoG was god awful, but at least Toei had the decency to not bring back SSJ God. It had a reason to exist and, as much as I really love the design, it served it's purpose and the story moved away from it with Blue's introduction.

The complaints were about his rampant stupidity, but most people praised his fights with Black, especially the ones vs Rose.

Reverting back to Super Saiyan, when he is completely aware of how SSJB works, against Zamasu only to get immediately taken out by hax in the middle of a fight where SSJ Rosé Black is right next to him is pretty moronic as well.

When did that happen?


Also Goku holding back power is something he has always done even in his fight against black in the naime

[Totamo]

He could be, but this sounds like something Toyotaro would do.

He's the same guy who posted a cover of last month's V-Jump and tried to claim it was this month's

Yeah it was...weird to say the least. He's just suddenly back in normal SSJ and getting frozen. Also don't like how he's taking orders from Vegeta. If the manga is closer to the barebones script they get, then Toei definitely did Goku favors making him more prominent in the arc

Did you read the complaints and watch videos about Goku's character in that arc.


At least no one is complaining about that here.

The complaints were about his rampant stupidity, but most people praised his fights with Black, especially the ones vs Rose.

That has nothing to do with what I just said. Goku may have had fights but that did not stop people from bitching nor did they make up for it in a lot of eyes.


Goku may be sidelined to give Vegeta some screentime but isn't that what Vegeta fans want. Goku may be sidelined but at least he isn't forgetting things over and over again. trunks may be sidelined but at least he is not a gary stu.


This logic right here is why many praise the characterization in the manga over the anime. It does nothing with them but nothing to them

[shomangaka]

SSB is a saiyan with God ki in super saiyan form so I've always thought of SSG as a normal form with God Ki, so since it's not a regular transformation like SSJ, maybe Vegeta and Goku will use the potara while they're in that form, would that make Vegetto stronger? Because I know they can't use the potara as super saiyans but SSG may count as a normal but divine form.... idk. Anyways I'll be honest and say I'm glad I got to see SSG Vegeta

[dbzfan7]

Pretty sure Toriyama could veto SSJ God if he didn't want it around. Apparently he has no issues. Could very well be Toyotaro's idea alone. I dunno. But if it was a big issue, surely Toriyama wouldn't have such a thing appear in the manga version.

[Freeza9000]

EDIT: Isn't it a little weird that Vegeta's SSG hair looks *exactly* like it does while Super Saiyan? I wouldn't have even been able to tell that was SSG had SSG Goku not been beside him.

It was quite easy for me to tell that Vegeta was a SSJG due to his bony arm structure.

[TheMathemagician]

He could be, but this sounds like something Toyotaro would do.

He's the same guy who posted a cover of last month's V-Jump and tried to claim it was this month's

Did you read the complaints and watch videos about Goku's character in that arc.


At least no one is complaining about that here.

The complaints were about his rampant stupidity, but most people praised his fights with Black, especially the ones vs Rose.

That has nothing to do with what I just said. Goku may have had fights but that did not stop people from bitching nor did they make up for it in a lot of eyes.


Goku may be sidelined to give Vegeta some screentime but isn't that what Vegeta fans want. Goku may be sidelined but at least he isn't forgetting things over and over again. trunks may be sidelined but at least he is not a gary stu.


This logic right here is why many praise the characterization in the manga over the anime. It does nothing with them but nothing to them

Alas, it's my love-hate relationship with both the anime and the manga. The manga has remained consistent for the most part to me and it's flow feel more natural than the anime's. You're right in that it doesn't do nearly as many bad things as the anime, but it also doesn't do nearly as many good things either for me. It got annoying the way they made Goku look real dumb in the saga, but it gave me Goku raging on Black, which is a better moment than anything in the manga version of the saga from any character to me. Same with Vegeta beating down Black in their rematch. But you're right then there's stuff like the Genki Dama Sword which was bad and Trunks' constant BS power ups to keep him relevant.

[Freeza9000]

Well, we haven't seen enough pages to determine if this is the full speech yet, but on the leaked page Zamasu says the following: "You should rejoice that you are able to look upon this form, mortals. This is the birth of the sole god in all the universes...Zamasu."

Not really different that what Freeza said before showing off his true form against the protagonists.