"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[dbgtFO]

Observe his beauty

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Also Vegeta has SSG.

Urg, something about this drawing of Zamasu looks unnatural, especially that neck.

It's the skinny frame coupled with the muscular neck and tiny head, that does it for me. It just seems to lack balance.

[mfwlegend3]

[spoiler][/spoiler]Whoa... what?

[zamasu121]

Black is jobbing to ssg Vegeta

[SansrivaaL]

Black is jobbing to ssg Vegeta

Where'd you read the chapter? even if that were to be the case, Vegeta trained in RoSaT, not that hard to believe.
You know you're really just trying too hard to have people have a negative view in the manga, not cool.

[zamasu121]

Black is jobbing to ssg Vegeta

Where'd you read the chapter? even if that were to be the case, Vegeta trained in RoSaT, not that hard to believe.
You know you're really just trying too hard to have people have a negative view in the manga, not cool.

Trust me i am not trying to make people negetive. There is one huge problem the manga actually does fix, and thats Goku using the mafuba instead of Trunks.

[SansrivaaL]

Vegeta looks way too thin, and I'm kinda glad Goku was the one that pulled the mafuuba rather than Trunks who for some reason learned the mafuuba way too fast and all by just watching a video

[Doctor.]

I've seen the panel where Black and Zamasu get into an argument and I have to stay I really hate how Toyotaro keeps portraying Zamasu as the leader and Black as the submissive of the two, when it logically should be the other way around due to the fact that Black knows what he's doing. Also, not really sure I like the idea of the two having an argument when, unlike in the anime, they have the exact same personality here. In the anime you could have always forced some disagreement due to Goku's body influencing Black's personality.

[Basako]

Wow, more leaks. Goku mistakes the seal paper, ok. Vegeta SSG? It was about time! Merged Zamasu enters, cool! It's gonna be good.

Everything points out to Toriyama only caring about "fixing" gag scenes. I don't think he gives a damn if Toyotaro does anything that goes against supposed rules or things he previously stated in interviews, as we've been often reminded. I mean, Goku accessing SSG like that whenever he wants is clearly Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

No, Toyotaro says he is given more freedom in the gags so he wants readers to pay attention to them. That's not contrary with Toriyama being interesed in the gags too. The thing is, if in the gags he has more freedom, he has less in the main plot elements, like transformations.

[SansrivaaL]

I've seen the panel where Black and Zamasu get into an argument and I have to stay I really hate how Toyotaro keeps portraying Zamasu as the leader and Black as the submissive of the two, when it logically should be the other way around due to the fact that Black knows what he's doing. Also, not really sure I like the idea of the two having an argument when, unlike in the anime, they have the exact same personality here. In the anime you could have always forced some disagreement due to Goku's body influencing Black's personality.

You know what they say, "Your worst enemy is yourself" Tho I kinda hate that Zamasu is sort of the one looking like the boss as well, but for me its fine since Zamasu is the immortal one and the support type of the two (being a healer and all that)

[Terez]

I've seen the panel where Black and Zamasu get into an argument and I have to stay I really hate how Toyotaro keeps portraying Zamasu as the leader and Black as the submissive of the two, when it logically should be the other way around due to the fact that Black knows what he's doing.

This isn't just Toyotarō, though; Zamasu was portrayed as the leader in the anime too, particularly at the end of episode 56 when they first appeared together. Zamasu called off Black and said he wouldn't allow any more unauthorized behavior (DT translation), or as Toei put it, "I will not allow you to act as you like any more than that." My assumption was always that Black took a slight status demotion when he stole a human body.

[buutenks]

so why r they ssg and not ssgss?

[TheMikado]

@the gr are there saiyans hiding in the ROSAT now? this is an asspull. I'm not mad about it but toto is destroying the canon AT laid out

He has Blue which is stronger so what's the problem with it ? Toriyama approves his chapters so if he was "destroying" his rules then he wouldn't have approved it.

Everything points out to Toriyama only caring about "fixing" gag scenes. I don't think he gives a damn if Toyotaro does anything that goes against supposed rules or things he previously stated in interviews, as we've been often reminded. I mean, Goku accessing SSG like that whenever he wants is clearly Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

What in the world? where are you getting evidence that "EVERYTHING points to Toriyama only caring about "fixing" gag scenes."

[Basako]

So now SSG Vegeta is stronger than SSR Black? The power scaling has been a real mess last four chapters.

Despite that, I'm happy to see Vegeta SSG, I wish he had gone earlier, like in the RoF. It's been said before, but I repeat, Toriyama made the SSB too soon.

Goku mistaking the seal paper instead of forgetting it, I think it's better. Also, it's him using the Mafuba, not Trunks learning it in a minute, that's better too. I wish Trunks did more, but not at any price, not like that.

One big miss for the manga. As I'm reading on some comments and I totally agree, looks like we are not having a Goku-Black fight. Vegeta fighting him was a necessity, but Goku was a must too.

There's merged Zamasu! Cool!!

Wait, is Gowasu really dead? Err, what about next arc? This is interesting, it has implications.

[SansrivaaL]

So now SSG Vegeta is stronger than SSR Black? The power scaling has been a real mess last four chapters.

Despite that, I'm happy to see Vegeta SSG, I wish he had gone earlier, like in the RoF. It's been said before, but I repeat, Toriyama made the SSB too soon.

Goku mistaking the seal paper instead of forgetting it, I think it's better. Also, it's him using the Mafuba, not Trunks learning it in a minute, that's better too. I wish Trunks did more, but not at any price, not like that.

One big miss for the manga. As I'm reading on some comments and I totally agree, looks like we are not having a Goku-Black fight. Vegeta fighting him was a necessity, but Goku was a must too.

There's merged Zamasu! Cool!!

Wait, is Gowasu really dead? Err, what about next arc? This is interesting, it has implications.

Vegeta trained in RoSaT, not that hard to take that he'll be leagues above his previous self, he probably thought his SSJG would suffice against current SSJR Black.
True it really removes the "do you know what I did to your family?" that was epic, only downside was Goku was the one that got his ass kicked in the end and Trunks for whatever reason was the one that was able to attain a new form, but so long as theres no SSJRage Trunks then I'm fine even with Goku V Black not happening.

[SansrivaaL]

One thing is certain, Black Manga<<<<<<<Anime Black, I'm not feeling Toyo's Black, speaks too much and gets pissed over stuffs too fast unlike his anime self thats full of "subarashii" and "utsukushii" tho I like the manga more than the anime most of the times, this is one of the things without a doubt the anime did better than the manga.

[Basako]

Vegeta trained in RoSaT, not that hard to take that he'll be leagues above his previous self, he probably thought his SSJG would suffice against current SSJR Black.
True it really removes the "do you know what I did to your family?" that was epic, only downside was Goku was the one that got his ass kicked in the end and Trunks for whatever reason was the one that was able to attain a new form, but so long as theres no SSJRage Trunks then I'm fine even with Goku V Black not happening.

Yeah, at least it's a relief we are not getting that odd SSRage thing.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Ssjg doesn't look so good on Vegeta (the disconnect between the Trunks style eyes and Vegeta's hair) but I'm always happy to get more ssjg Gokû.

Mafuba mistakes are still unpleasant. I'd rather see them seal one of them only to have them escape due to their special power.

Yup this is probably why Toriyama and Toei didn't give it him. It looks really off on him.

He has Blue which is stronger so what's the problem with it ? Toriyama approves his chapters so if he was "destroying" his rules then he wouldn't have approved it.

Everything points out to Toriyama only caring about "fixing" gag scenes. I don't think he gives a damn if Toyotaro does anything that goes against supposed rules or things he previously stated in interviews, as we've been often reminded. I mean, Goku accessing SSG like that whenever he wants is clearly Toyotaro pulling it out of his ass.

What in the world? where are you getting evidence that "EVERYTHING points to Toriyama only caring about "fixing" gag scenes."

Quote from Toyo here from here:
"The other thing…I thought Toriyama would be more particular about the story, but he's actually more particular about the gags and the comedic moments."* Plus it's pretty obvious reading the Manga and seeing how different it is.


*www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016 ... ou/.107579

[LightBing]

Vegeta getting SSJG is such a curveball. I hope we get some explanation, like him coming up with the form to mitigate SSJB weakness. If he had it all the time, it will hurt the previous arc, since Vegeta should have use it against Hit.

I dislike how Goku forgot or mistaken the seal for something else. I do like that Black and Zamasu are pushed into apparent desperation where they even get into a fight, to force the fusion.

Let's see what more we have. Seems like a flavourful chapter. I hope my concerns regarding SSJG are dispelled.

Vegeta confirmed strongest non-God character.

[Lord Beerus]

Vegeta having SSJG is nonsense. It seems like an asspull, because why would Vegeta not think about using the form until now? Plus, if Vegeta is that much stronger as a SSJG after training in the ROSAT, then surely he should power up to SSJB and finish off SSJR Goku Black? I mean, the jump in power he made in the ROSAT was insane for him to be kicking SSJR Goku Black's ass as a SSJG. If Vegeta doesn't go SSJB against SSJR Goku Black, he's an idiot because SSJB is at the very least X10 stronger than SSJG in the manga. He could end this fight instantly. I hope to God Toyotaro explains this shit.

I also knew that Goku would forget either the senzu or the mafuba seal. And the manner in which it was done was at the expense of a lame "Roshi is perv"-esque kind of gag. Dumb and unfunny. The anime actually handled that better.

I also hate how Goku Black is made to play the "submissive" role in the dynamic relationship of Goku Black and Zamasu. What made that paring so great in the anime was that they never turned on each-other, they both realised how much they needed each other and how they respected themselves. Here in the manga, it just comes across as it that Goku Black is Zamaus' lackey and underling. Despite the fact it was Goku Black who got the ball rolling with the entire plot of the arc. Toyotaro is dropping the ball with Goku Black hard.

I'm intrigued to see the chapter in full. But I'm not liking my first impressions of it.

EDIT: Just saw Merged Zamasu. He still looks cool as shit.

[Ki Breaker]

Ha! Vegeta has SSG, Super seems to be giving fan ideas shape since it's conception..

Vegeta probably is thinking of taking it slow like goku this time, he might have unlocked it in the time chamber..