"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

I’m confused by the explanation for why Vegeta uses Super Saiyan God. So, Goku explains that Vegeta only goes blue the instant he attacks (a similar method Goku used against the Ginyu Force). But, isn’t that the worst thing he could do? If the Hit fight is anything by, turning blue on and off repeatedly should make him lose 90% of his strength.

Plus, there’s no reason for Vegeta to use this method. Goku used this method back then because he was trying to conserve his energy as much as he can, since after he’ll defeat Reacom and company, there’s still the captain and Freeza to face. But here, Vegeta can just turn blue right away and kill Black, no reason to try to conserve your energy.

I hope there’s more explanation there, but so far, it makes no sense, and frankly, it seems like a very contrived excuse just to make the red form relevant.

This also makes me wonder why Vegeta didn't use it against Hit since SSGod > 10% of SSBlue

Vegeta using SSG is clearly something new he discovered from training. He explains himself in this chapter "I've figured it out..."

He got it from training for a couple of months in the RoSAT? That doesn't make sense.

[The gr]

Forgive me if i'm being incoherent, I have a very bad flu and can't think very straight but i had a revelation after reading this manga chapter.

I think I just realized why so many people like the manga and I don't. It feels like a fanfiction, Toyotaro tries so hard when writing it to make it "logical" but while being so dead set on it makes it far less logical but he will never notice or try to correct them. The thing that makes Dragonball Dragonball is the countless mistakes and changes made because of laziness and things forgotten. All of these things make stuff happen in the story which was later corrected or retconed and that's how the good parts of the series came to be. I noticed a lot of die hard fans who obsess over the universe like the manga a lot and the conclusion I've come to it that they think "this is how I would write the manga" but most of these people obviously aren't very competent writers which is why it feels like a fan-fiction. There are two types of fan-fiction: fan-fiction that just makes cool stuff for the fun of it and fan-fiction that tries to make "logical" things happen based on their own interpretation of the series. Toyotaro is the latter. Which made me realize i really won't like the story once Toyotaro takes over, he's never going to create anything new it will always be rooted in the series before. He's never going to create Saiyans or Beerus or the completely different multiple universes, It will be stuff rooted in the series like Freezas son or one of the supreme kais from our universe is still alive or Daburas successor or another android. the successor to the Dragonball franchise should never have been someone who knows every little detail about the series because not even Toriyama himself did.

This and the Dragon Ball room would be successor's to the franchise.

They said that work on the anime with Toei and games, but nothing about the manga which is just promo and is never even that popular to be honest, most people just watch the anime.

And after this chapter a lot of people don't line the manga now, read Geekdom101 or Rhymestyle comment section on this topic for proof, everybody is shitting on Toyo and the manga for this chapter everywhere and even some forums like that are spanish and japanese are destroying the manga for this garbage chapter.

Do you have any evidence to support that, because it really look your pulling this shit outta nowhere,plus the chapter is not even out yet

[SansrivaaL]

How the heck do you learn a form lower than the one you curently have? that makes 0 sense.

[TheUltimateNinja]

How the heck do you learn a form lower than the one you curently have? that makes 0 sense.

There's also the fact that Vegeta somehow does it just by training for a while by himself. Why couldn't he do it after training for 3 years with Goku who has the form, then?

[Rhuagh]

As usual, people don't wait for the chapter translation before jumping to conclusions and calling names. Remember when they flipped their sh*t when they thought Rosé woudn't be a thing in the manga?

[mfwlegend3]

Unless Toyotaro made it so he just acquired the transformation via training in the RoSaT, then I might be one of the very few who don't see Vegeta having God as a big deal. He has Blue, so naturally he should have God.

[OLKv3]

This also makes me wonder why Vegeta didn't use it against Hit since SSGod > 10% of SSBlue

Vegeta using SSG is clearly something new he discovered from training. He explains himself in this chapter "I've figured it out..."

He got it from training for a couple of months in the RoSAT? That doesn't make sense.

I said using it, not learning it. He discovers a tactic in the RoSaT that leads to him now using SSG
Again, wait until the full translation before claiming what and what doesn't make sense
Also, wasn't it a full year he trained? The time machine needed a full day to recharge right?

[jplaya2023]

So why did Vegeta show Cabba blue? Thats like teaching a kid how to count by 2's before he knows how to count by 1's.

Because this concept is absurd. cabba should be trying to get ssj2 ssj3 etc.. if he goes from ssj1 to ssj god i'll quit the manga

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Can't believe someone is literally using youtube comments to win an argument

I’m confused by the explanation for why Vegeta uses Super Saiyan God. So, Goku explains that Vegeta only goes blue the instant he attacks (a similar method Goku used against the Ginyu Force). But, isn’t that the worst thing he could do? If the Hit fight is anything by, turning blue on and off repeatedly should make him lose 90% of his strength.

The SSB explanation is easily the worst part of the manga

People every where I go to are saying the exact same thing on how this entire chapter makes complete zero sense. What difference does it make if I use youtube? They are saying the same exact thing I see people say on instagram, Other Db forums besides this one, twitter and other anime websites with Super sections? I see a lot of people in this very thread say how this chapter makes zero and one of the two top replies to herms on twitter about is a tweet that says this with 18 likes

DarkestKnight75‏ @DarkestKnight75 9h9 hours ago
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@Herms98 Toyotaro is making the manga different just for the sake of it and it's making the story suffer.
Anime is better IMO.

The other one is from Geekdom101 just saying how this entire chapter is very weird.

[dbgtFO]

Bwahaha, Godgeta's legs don't fill out his boots
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[OLKv3]

So why did Vegeta show Cabba blue? Thats like teaching a kid how to count by 2's before he knows how to count by 1's.

Because this concept is absurd. cabba should be trying to get ssj2 ssj3 etc.. if he goes from ssj1 to ssj god i'll quit the manga

SSG and SSB have absolutely nothing to do with normal SSJ levels. You do not need SSJ2 and SSJ3 to learn God

Trunks went from SSJ2 to an all new god form that Goku nor Vegeta ever learned for example. Did that make you quit?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Vegeta using SSG is clearly something new he discovered from training. He explains himself in this chapter "I've figured it out..."

He got it from training for a couple of months in the RoSAT? That doesn't make sense.

I said using it, not learning it. He discovers a tactic in the RoSaT that leads to him now using SSG
Again, wait until the full translation before claiming what and what doesn't make sense
Also, wasn't it a full year he trained? The time machine needed a full day to recharge right?

In that case your response to why he didn't use it against Hit makes no sense. It's stronger than 10% of SSBlue, why would he need a tactic for a stronger form?

He trained for 6 months in the anime, I assume it'd be the same in the manga but considering all the other differences he could have trained for a whole year.

[Basako]

Forgive me if i'm being incoherent, I have a very bad flu and can't think very straight but i had a revelation after reading this manga chapter.

I think I just realized why so many people like the manga and I don't. It feels like a fanfiction, Toyotaro tries so hard when writing it to make it "logical" but while being so dead set on it makes it far less logical but he will never notice or try to correct them. The thing that makes Dragonball Dragonball is the countless mistakes and changes made because of laziness and things forgotten. All of these things make stuff happen in the story which was later corrected or retconed and that's how the good parts of the series came to be. I noticed a lot of die hard fans who obsess over the universe like the manga a lot and the conclusion I've come to it that they think "this is how I would write the manga" but most of these people obviously aren't very competent writers which is why it feels like a fan-fiction. There are two types of fan-fiction: fan-fiction that just makes cool stuff for the fun of it and fan-fiction that tries to make "logical" things happen based on their own interpretation of the series. Toyotaro is the latter. Which made me realize i really won't like the story once Toyotaro takes over, he's never going to create anything new it will always be rooted in the series before. He's never going to create Saiyans or Beerus or the completely different multiple universes, It will be stuff rooted in the series like Freezas son or one of the supreme kais from our universe is still alive or Daburas successor or another android. the successor to the Dragonball franchise should never have been someone who knows every little detail about the series because not even Toriyama himself did.

This and the Dragon Ball room would be successor's to the franchise.

They said that work on the anime with Toei and games, but nothing about the manga which is just promo and is never even that popular to be honest, most people just watch the anime.

And after this chapter a lot of people don't line the manga now, read Geekdom101 or Rhymestyle comment section on this topic for proof, everybody is shitting on Toyo and the manga for this chapter everywhere and even some forums like that are spanish and japanese are destroying the manga for this garbage chapter.

Do you have any evidence to support that, because it really look your pulling this shit outta nowhere,plus the chapter is not even out yet

Yeah, I'm curious about his knowledge about the japanese fandom. About the spanish, just checked a youtube chanel, first comment says literally "the manga is better than the anime" and has 357 likes. The youtuber is also fine to see more about this form and comments the differences with the anime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuCKwO5x8aI

And in Geekdom's video there are a lot of comments praising the manga too. In the other, there are more against it, he got that right. But his everywhere and everyone is just a lie. At most the fandom is divided about this.

[SansrivaaL]

Vegeta SSJG is so thin its freaking me out, look at em boots and gloves... holy hell I did not expect Vegeta showing SSJG would look this bad.

[dbzfan7]

I actually really like how Vegeta looks. I must be in the minority then.

[OLKv3]

He got it from training for a couple of months in the RoSAT? That doesn't make sense.

I said using it, not learning it. He discovers a tactic in the RoSaT that leads to him now using SSG
Again, wait until the full translation before claiming what and what doesn't make sense
Also, wasn't it a full year he trained? The time machine needed a full day to recharge right?

In that case your response to why he didn't use it against Hit makes no sense. It's stronger than 10% of SSBlue, why would he need a tactic for a stronger form?

He trained for 6 months in the anime, I assume it'd be the same in the manga but considering all the other differences he could have trained for a whole year.

He didn't use it against Hit because he decided to go all out. It's why he's angry when he sees Goku using it, saying "Damn him, he's still holding back?!?"
Vegeta probably thought it was a worthless form until he discovered what he discovered in the RoSaT

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Forgive me if i'm being incoherent, I have a very bad flu and can't think very straight but i had a revelation after reading this manga chapter.

I think I just realized why so many people like the manga and I don't. It feels like a fanfiction, Toyotaro tries so hard when writing it to make it "logical" but while being so dead set on it makes it far less logical but he will never notice or try to correct them. The thing that makes Dragonball Dragonball is the countless mistakes and changes made because of laziness and things forgotten. All of these things make stuff happen in the story which was later corrected or retconed and that's how the good parts of the series came to be. I noticed a lot of die hard fans who obsess over the universe like the manga a lot and the conclusion I've come to it that they think "this is how I would write the manga" but most of these people obviously aren't very competent writers which is why it feels like a fan-fiction. There are two types of fan-fiction: fan-fiction that just makes cool stuff for the fun of it and fan-fiction that tries to make "logical" things happen based on their own interpretation of the series. Toyotaro is the latter. Which made me realize i really won't like the story once Toyotaro takes over, he's never going to create anything new it will always be rooted in the series before. He's never going to create Saiyans or Beerus or the completely different multiple universes, It will be stuff rooted in the series like Freezas son or one of the supreme kais from our universe is still alive or Daburas successor or another android. the successor to the Dragonball franchise should never have been someone who knows every little detail about the series because not even Toriyama himself did.

This and the Dragon Ball room would be successor's to the franchise.

They said that work on the anime with Toei and games, but nothing about the manga which is just promo and is never even that popular to be honest, most people just watch the anime.

And after this chapter a lot of people don't line the manga now, read Geekdom101 or Rhymestyle comment section on this topic for proof, everybody is shitting on Toyo and the manga for this chapter everywhere and even some forums like that are spanish and japanese are destroying the manga for this garbage chapter.

Do you have any evidence to support that, because it really look your pulling this shit outta nowhere,plus the chapter is not even out yet

lol I'm not gonna screen shot a bunchof Spanish and Japanese text from Japanese/Spanish fourms I go to when they all say the same thing a lot of people this thread are saying how this chapter made zero sense.

You all have a good day now tho, I'm done with this debate.

[Khin]

Bwahaha, Godgeta's legs don't fill out his boots
[spoiler][/spoiler]

That looks really cool, actually. Vegeta looks really good when he’s skinny (see: Saiyan arc).

[mfwlegend3]

OK, this was hilarious.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[OLKv3]

Also, he trained for a year in the manga.
[spoiler][/spoiler]