Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

[Shinda Forever]

The ridiculous thing about SSG is that makes them skinny, that's really dumb, however, between blue and magenta i still prefer magenta, but magenta looks great on Goku and bad on Vegeta. Vegeta looks better as ssj blue, each one of them could have had a different color since mystic Gohan has black hair and Trunks didn't change his hair color when he fought Black.

[Basako]

The Manga heavily contradicts the anime which is the real canon in this case, therefore, i see the manga as a filler with saiyajin fanboyism without limits.
Toyataro thinks he is writing dbgt all over again. It is sad.
In my opinion, the manga is just pointless and actually, i intended to buy it, but, since i saw the ridiculous contradictions he was doing i just gave up.

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

[Shinda Forever]

The Manga heavily contradicts the anime which is the real canon in this case, therefore, i see the manga as a filler with saiyajin fanboyism without limits.
Toyataro thinks he is writing dbgt all over again. It is sad.
In my opinion, the manga is just pointless and actually, i intended to buy it, but, since i saw the ridiculous contradictions he was doing i just gave up.

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

That's what i said. I said the anime is canon this time not the other way around. I meant DBAF you were right on that one.

The Manga heavily contradicts the anime which is the real canon in this case, therefore, i see the manga as a filler with saiyajin fanboyism without limits.
Toyataro thinks he is writing dbgt all over again. It is sad.
In my opinion, the manga is just pointless and actually, i intended to buy it, but, since i saw the ridiculous contradictions he was doing i just gave up.

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

You are completely wrong Toriyama is the one working in the anime. Anime is the real deal this time.

[TheMathemagician]

The Manga heavily contradicts the anime which is the real canon in this case, therefore, i see the manga as a filler with saiyajin fanboyism without limits.
Toyataro thinks he is writing dbgt all over again. It is sad.
In my opinion, the manga is just pointless and actually, i intended to buy it, but, since i saw the ridiculous contradictions he was doing i just gave up.

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

Except both are canon lol. Neither one is more canon than the other.

[Shinda Forever]

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

Except both are canon lol. Neither one is more canon than the other.

Except that Toriyama is working in the anime and writing the story etc while in the manga Toyataro is doing everything from himself and contradicting what Toriyama is writing.

[The gr]

Up until the Black arc I was enjoying the Manga as much / better. But the Black arc hasn't been great, the anime had so much tension they built the villain up so good instead Toyo wants to elongate a flashback and play video games. Big example is the fact that Vegeta jobbed Black a couple of chapters ago...and is doing the same a mere few chapters. That's not how you build up a villain at all, in the anime it took Black until the moment they fused to finally get jobbed.

Also Trunks feel like a background here in his own arc, we spent a lot time with him in the anime, we saw his relationship with various people develop.

Oh and the whole Black mastery was completely ruined/wasted. And the anime had the personal-ish connection between Zamasu and Goku with their fight on U10.

Overall very disappointed in Toyo's writing this arc, art is good though. You can easily tell he was a fan fic writer.

Yeah, i keep saying from day one how Toyotaro is a mediocre, unexperienced mangaka and a worse storyteller who can't build a narrative to save his life, and in the Black arc that's becoming painfully more apparent, thanks to the fact more and more of his own ideas are obviously making their way in, and doing the manga deliberately different - which, to be fair, he was probably told to do.
But his composition is far below the average compared to successful manga artists, and his art is actually getting worse in the last few chapters. Take this or this, for instance. It looks hilariously terrible. And can anyone teach him how to draw a neck, please?

In a more serious note, i think the only reason some people believe a character like Goku is better in the manga is only because the manga lacks time and consequently exposition, so we barely see the characters out of fights, which is also a big minus in my book. It's fight after fight with no build up to anything. And that's also part of the reason why Trunks looks like a cardboard guest in his own arc. In the anime we could actually feel for his shitty life, but here? The problems with manga Black or Zamasu's motivations were pointed out to death over the past few months, so i'm gonna skip those and other known issues.

But i can't give the SSG shit a pass: it was bad and nonsensical when Goku used it against Hit already, but now with all the crap surrounding Vegeta in this last chapter, it reached a new level of absurdity that i fail to find words to explain. It's all so incredibly stupid and full of holes. And i'm pretty sure if this happened in the anime, most of the same people who liked it would call "a terrible decision" and claim it was Toei's idea to sell merchandising.

Agreed the art got clunky as time progresses, and if that happened in that in the anime I would still liked it through despite being a forced fan service

Oh and can anyone stop talking about what's canon,is seriously getting annoying,this thread is not about that,is about comparing both of the mediums and no this nonsense, Man I feel like is the manga fault for having 100 thread about what's canon

[TheMathemagician]

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

Except both are canon lol. Neither one is more canon than the other.

Except that Toriyama is working in the anime and writing the story etc while in the manga Toyataro is doing everything from himself and contradicting what Toriyama is writing.

Yet, still doesn't prove that the anime is more "canon" than the manga.

[Shinda Forever]

Except both are canon lol. Neither one is more canon than the other.

Except that Toriyama is working in the anime and writing the story etc while in the manga Toyataro is doing everything from himself and contradicting what Toriyama is writing.

Yet, still doesn't prove that the anime is more "canon" than the manga.

Really? Who is the original creator? Unless you mean everyone can have his own canon list.

[Basako]

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

You are completely wrong Toriyama is the one working in the anime. Anime is the real deal this time.

You are the one who is wrong, Toriyama is directly involved helping Toyotaro with the manga, which makes sense, as he is a manga writer himself. He supervises and corrects Toyotaro's storyboards monthly. As far as we know, he doesn't do that for the anime, he just provides them the plot and they do the rest. Which is probably why the quality of the anime writting has been so low until now.

[Shinda Forever]

Friend, I think you ment DBAF there.

Also the manga is just promo and the anime is the real canon this time. Things like this has happened with comics/shows and anime/manga shows before many times before.

That's what i said. I said the anime is canon this time not the other way around. I meant DBAF you were right on that one.

No way, the manga is more canon as is the one Toriyama directly supervises. The anime is a horrible telling of Toriyama's plot, it may be comertially the main product, but it's not the canon one.

You are completely wrong Toriyama is the one working in the anime. Anime is the real deal this time.

You are the one who is wrong, Toriyama is directly involved helping Toyotaro with the manga, which makes sense, as he is a manga writer himself. He supervises and corrects Toyotaro's storyboards monthly. As far as we know, he doesn't do that for the anime, he just provides them the plot and they do the rest. Which is probably why the quality of the anime writting has been so low until now.

It is better for you if you ask Herms. Everyone knows Toriyama is working in the anime, Toyataro is running wild by himself in the manga. Check Kanzenshuu website and you will find out this by yourself.

[ShinTenshin]

That's what i said. I said the anime is canon this time not the other way around. I meant DBAF you were right on that one.




You are completely wrong Toriyama is the one working in the anime. Anime is the real deal this time.

You are the one who is wrong, Toriyama is directly involved helping Toyotaro with the manga, which makes sense, as he is a manga writer himself. He supervises and corrects Toyotaro's storyboards monthly. As far as we know, he doesn't do that for the anime, he just provides them the plot and they do the rest. Which is probably why the quality of the anime writting has been so low until now.

It is better for you if you ask Herms. Everyone knows Toriyama is working in the anime, Toyataro is running wild by himself in the manga. Check Kanzenshuu website and you will find out this by yourself.

What did you say ? It was never stated that Toriyama works for Toei, it's a huge mistake ! Tori says he write a script that Toei and Toyotaro adapt. Toriyama directly supervise the Manga and he's really happy with it but nothing is said about the Animé, after 2 years, that's really strange. Key17 even state how he was unhappy with the animé version !

[Shinda Forever]

You are the one who is wrong, Toriyama is directly involved helping Toyotaro with the manga, which makes sense, as he is a manga writer himself. He supervises and corrects Toyotaro's storyboards monthly. As far as we know, he doesn't do that for the anime, he just provides them the plot and they do the rest. Which is probably why the quality of the anime writting has been so low until now.

It is better for you if you ask Herms. Everyone knows Toriyama is working in the anime, Toyataro is running wild by himself in the manga. Check Kanzenshuu website and you will find out this by yourself.

What did you say ? It was never stated that Toriyama works for Toei, it's a huge lie ! Tori says he write a script that Toei and Toyotaro adapt. Toriyama directly supervise the Manga and he's really happy with it but nothing is said about the Animé, after 2 years, that's really strange. Key17 even state how he was unhappy with the animé version !

Toriyama provides the story and the details for the anime and he said it was the continuation of the manga, so be careful when you call someone a liar. Ask to the owners of the website. Toriyama hasn't nothing to do with the manga plot, it is all toyataro.

[Basako]

That's what i said. I said the anime is canon this time not the other way around. I meant DBAF you were right on that one.




You are completely wrong Toriyama is the one working in the anime. Anime is the real deal this time.

You are the one who is wrong, Toriyama is directly involved helping Toyotaro with the manga, which makes sense, as he is a manga writer himself. He supervises and corrects Toyotaro's storyboards monthly. As far as we know, he doesn't do that for the anime, he just provides them the plot and they do the rest. Which is probably why the quality of the anime writting has been so low until now.

It is better for you if you ask Herms. Everyone knows Toriyama is working in the anime, Toyataro is running wild by himself in the manga. Check Kanzenshuu website and you will find out this by yourself.

You check this full interview where Toyotaro explains how Toriyama is involved in the manga, how he corrects his storyboards every month and that he doesn't deviate from the plotlines he is given.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intervi ... ou/.107579

[mfwlegend3]

Toriyama hasn't nothing to do with the manga plot, it is all toyataro.

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[The gr]

Hey guy's let's compare both medium instead of talking what's canon, seriously is getting annoying , and I agree with this,I wished Black didn't job to Vegeta In their first encounter,I just wish he stabbed him and have trunks and Goku to push him into a corner and Don't have him rage out, Instead have him laughing because he knows zamas will save him and get him a zenkai to obtain SS rose

[Doctor.]

The anime has a lot more downsides, but the manga is more offensive because Toyotaro is such a terrible writer that he sucks the soul and personality out of everything in his manga. It's all so safe, all so generic. And when it gets dumb, it's really dumb.

[Shinda Forever]

Toriyama hasn't nothing to do with the manga plot, it is all toyataro.

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So you are saying Toriyama is contadicting himself.
Dragon ball super manga: Akira Toriyama writes plot outlines which Toyotarō uses as a basis for the stories and Toriyama personally helps put the manga together. Toyotarō creates the dialogue and illustrations, expanding, adding, and changing elements from Toriyama's plan as he deems appropriate. Akira Toriyama believes Toyotarō's freedom to change the story makes the final product better.

[FortuneSSJ]

My biggest problem with the manga is how Toyotaro doesn't have the balls to be creative.
Stuff like SSB+Kaioken, Black's unique attacks, SSI FT Trunks and Genki sword are all moments that stood out for me in an amazing way because they are new stuff that never happened before.

Now looking to the manga:

- Goku vs Hit
Goku uses SSG, a form that supposedly he shouldn't even be able to use it anymore. Fails to impress in a good way, because it's not a new thing like SSB+Kaioken and that's what made that fight so special in the anime. In the manga it's just another normal fight.

- Black's unique attacks
Dragon Ball is not limited like other battle shonens where characters can only do attacks of their type. You can be creative with what you want to do with your characters and that's what Toei did with Black. I love how they showed his growth using his attacks - Starts with a Ki blade, it becomes a sword and then he creates a scythe.
What Toyotaro did?! Nothing unique. Just used Goku's attacks and Kaioshin's attacks. I'm pretty sure Black wouldn't even have SSR in the manga, if it wasn't for Toriyama.

- Super Saiyan Ikari and Genki Sword
Once again, no way Toyotaro has the balls to do something daring like this.
I don't even know if FT Trunks is the main character of his own arc in the manga. He doesn't do anything impressive. Oh yeah he does the Taiyoken... He says Gohan was the one who taught him, even though Gohan never used Taiyoken. Why would his Master teach him something that he never used in the first place?! Will FT Trunks pull off a Makankosappo too?!

Toyotaro-kun?! Toyotaro-kun???!

[ekrolo2]

Toriyama hasn't nothing to do with the manga plot, it is all toyataro.

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So you are saying Toriyama is contadicting himself.

Toriyama has blatantly contradicted literally everything he's ever said from the movies through the manga and the anime, especially the manga which he directly oversees. And this isn't even the first time either.

Remember how on Namek Vegeta can't become a Super Saiyan because he's a remorseless piece of a shit excuse for a human being? How does he get it in the Android arc? By being a remorseless piece of shit!

[Shinda Forever]

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So you are saying Toriyama is contadicting himself.

Toriyama has blatantly contradicted literally everything he's ever said from the movies through the manga and the anime, especially the manga which he directly oversees. And this isn't even the first time either.

Remember how on Namek Vegeta can't become a Super Saiyan because he's a remorseless piece of a shit excuse for a human being? How does he get it in the Android arc? By being a remorseless piece of shit!

Dragon ball super manga: Akira Toriyama writes plot outlines which Toyotarō uses as a basis for the stories and Toriyama personally helps put the manga together. Toyotarō creates the dialogue and illustrations, expanding, adding, and changing elements from Toriyama's plan as he deems appropriate. Akira Toriyama believes Toyotarō's freedom to change the story makes the final product better.