"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

I completely agree with you and let's not forget the fact that he completely changed the dynamics of Hitto vs Vegeta and vs Goku making Hitto someone weak that could have been easily beaten. Seriously, the manga is a parody to the anime.

He completely changed BoG (for the worse imo), I do not know why people think he follows outline really closely espcially when he admitted that he is gonna handle a reveal differently from the outline, this is problem getting a fan fic writer to do an offical albeit promo Manga, it is hard to separate his fanboy-ism and he is showing it.

Dislike all you want, but never spread misinformation, caused by your failure to do proper research.
Toyotaro's statement:

The Trunks arc within Dragon Ball Super will hit the U.S. soon, and while a certain reveal is the same in the manga, anime, and Toriyama's outline, both the anime and manga have different ways of getting there, each taking advantage of the unique aspects of their medium, so I hope everyone enjoys comparing them.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intervi ... ou/.107579
NOWHERE does he state the manga will differ from the outline, only that the manga and anime will handle the reveal differently.

Thank you for sharing this! I overlooked. And I just discovered Toyotaro has freedom to create gags.

[Kanassa]

Trunks having asspulls is better than him being a useless side character.

Fans were also complaining about Super being Goku and Vegeta's show, and almost everyone wanted a darker story and Trunks being the one to beat the villain.
This fanbase can't be pleased, even though I must admit these things could have been handled a little better.

It such a double edge sword. How do you keep Future Trunks relevant with the ever inflating "battle powers", while also not pissing off the portion of the fandom that want power consistency?

Elder Kai, Mystic form. Trunks would be OP!

[Totamo]

So taking something by mistake makes you a complete moron, I must be a complete moron then

You would be a moron if you did not even bother to take one second to look at something that's obviously not it. This would be like confusing a fork for a spoon.

wouldn't it be like taking a $5 bill when you wanted a $10 bill.

[Kanassa]

So taking something by mistake makes you a complete moron, I must be a complete moron then

You would be a moron if you did not even bother to take one second to look at something that's obviously not it. This would be like confusing a fork for a spoon.

wouldn't it be like taking a $5 bill when you wanted a $10 bill.

No, because that's a small number on paper.

[Totamo]

You would be a moron if you did not even bother to take one second to look at something that's obviously not it. This would be like confusing a fork for a spoon.

wouldn't it be like taking a $5 bill when you wanted a $10 bill.

No, because that's a small number on paper.

no its all over the dam bill plus they have different people on the bill.

[MisteryOne]

oh god, looked at the art for this chapter and future trunks looks like some weird elongated kid trunks. His proportion are definitely not right just look at them. Of the images we got so far the art really looks off compared to what we're used to. Wonder if this is the effect of Toyotaro being occupied with the universal survival arc.

I trough you have already read the chapter? How on hell did you read it without looking at the art?
Also, this was probably done before the Universal Arc, I doubt it has nothing to do with it.

[kinisking]

It's funny how now people are suddenly praising the asspulls Trunks had in the anime, when they crapped on it for months. Lol this fanbase man.

Trunks having asspulls is better than him being a useless side character.

Fans were also complaining about Super being Goku and Vegeta's show, and almost everyone wanted a darker story and Trunks being the one to beat the villain.
This fanbase can't be pleased, even though I must admit these things could have been handled a little better.

Does everything have to be a Monkey's paw situation? Why can't we get what we want, but done well? I don't know why you're confused. It's like getting confused that someone is angry that they got a shitty broken down car when they asked for a car. Yes, they wanted a car but they wanted a good car. Yes, we wanted a darker story and Trunks beating the villian but we wanted it done well.

It such a double edge sword. How do you keep Future Trunks relevant with the ever inflating "battle powers", while also not pissing off the portion of the fandom that want power consistency? The handling of Future Trunks in the manga has left a lot to be desired. I honestly wouldn't care if he died... and that's a major red flag to me. Because when I don't care about the fate of the central character for an arc, that's an indication of bad storytelling. Future Trunks' asspulls in the anime were really stretching it, but as least I cared about his fate.

It's not a double edged sword at all. Future Trunks is a half saiyan. It wouldn't have been hard to write a story where Trunks got trained by Vegeta in the Hyperbolic time chamber and came out strong enough to be relevant. No one would have blinked an eye, but instead we had to get half assed training and rage boosts for a character that never received them.

I don't want you guys to misinterpret me. I liked the Black arc, but it could've been better and I see why people were upset about certain things.

[OLKv3]

Where is this "Trunks is useless" meme coming from? He saved their lives 2 chapters ago. People are really upset he didn't get a random power boost, which is hilarious because when Toei gave him the random power boost, people crapped all over it, saying there's no way he should be able to compete with god level characters

Today has shown me that I need to stay away from this fanbase, just mindless nitpicking and doing their best to take the fun out of everything about the show/manga in an attempt to say "lol anime fans/lol manga fans your version sucks!" Jesus Christ I'm so glad I didn't visit forums during DBZ's airing, because now no matter where I go, can't escape it.

[Basako]

Given that Toyo already gave Trunks that bullshit SSJ2 form, I don't see why he's hesitating with SSRage.

I do see why.

Putting SS2 in pair of SS3 is not new, Vegeta had it against Beerus too and is not that much. But putting a non god form in the league of gods with just a rage power up. And the looks of the transofrmation, it's just a blue aura added below the yellow. What was that? We can only especulate, because the anime, as most of the times, didn't explain anything, they just threw that to the table and we have to eat it, like it or not. Well, I didn't like it.

I'd really have liked if Trunks had had a legit power up in the manga, like SS3 or SSG. But, what we had. That was really bad, they didn't put any thought to it. No, I prefer Trunks helping all he can in a side better than that. And if they made it up, I think they should respect more Toriyama before making major desitions on their own like that.

[ekrolo2]

This, among other things, I agree with.
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Black's instant healing factor in the Anime made him extremely broken, almost to the point where it was unlikable. Zenkai's DO NOT work that way, they just don't. Now maybe Because it's a God's soul in a Saiyan body maybe it led to a mutation, but that's never stated or implied.

In the Manga, Black's zenkai gains are enormous but because he needs the other Zamasu to heal him first makes it infinitely more grounded and sensible.

Both the manga and anime have issues but the anime makes more sense because Black HAS to fight people better than him to power up, it's why him fighting Trunks for a year didn't give him any big gains. The whole concept of Goku's body "remembering" past experiences and Zamasu getting access to them through combat is good, it's how he has a random healing factor that's the problem.

In the manga, Zamasu can just keep almost killing Black over and over again before healing him, there's literally no good reason for the two of them to NOT spam Zenkai right from the get go. Also, how the fuck did Black heal himself when Trunks has never seen or sensed Zamasu on Earth but he somehow powered up from a Zenkai that made him needing SS to beat Trunks pointless?

[mfwlegend3]

Also, how the fuck did Black heal himself when Trunks has never seen or sensed Zamasu on Earth but he somehow powered up from a Zenkai that made him needing SS to beat Trunks pointless?

Black could have Instant Transmission'd from the scene and went to their hideout, which I doubt Trunks even knows the location of. Also, Trunks can't sense god ki.

[TheMikado]

wouldn't it be like taking a $5 bill when you wanted a $10 bill.

No, because that's a small number on paper.

no its all over the dam bill plus they have different people on the bill.

Because it's obvious cashiers, waiters, bank tellers, etc NEVER miscount and hand you an incorrect bill..

[ekrolo2]

Also, how the fuck did Black heal himself when Trunks has never seen or sensed Zamasu on Earth but he somehow powered up from a Zenkai that made him needing SS to beat Trunks pointless?

Black could have Instant Transmission'd from the scene and went to their hideout, which I doubt Trunks even knows the location of. Also, Trunks can't sense god ki.

I'm pretty sure Goku & co can sense Kai's.

[Doctor.]

Where is this "Trunks is useless" meme coming from? He saved their lives 2 chapters ago. People are really upset he didn't get a random power boost, which is hilarious because when Toei gave him the random power boost, people crapped all over it, saying there's no way he should be able to compete with god level characters

Today has shown me that I need to stay away from this fanbase, just mindless nitpicking and doing their best to take the fun out of everything about the show/manga in an attempt to say "lol anime fans/lol manga fans your version sucks!" Jesus Christ I'm so glad I didn't visit forums during DBZ's airing, because now no matter where I go, can't escape it.

Wanting Trunks to get a power-up doesn't mean we want him to get a stupid rage boost transformation. There are good ways to write power-ups you do realize that?

[mfwlegend3]

I'm pretty sure Goku & co can sense Kai's.

That wasn't established in the manga. But even if it was, it'd be rectonned now since all god's have ki that can't be sensed by mortals. Also, Goku and Vegeta sensing god ki comes off as no surprise.

[Doctor.]

Now maybe Because it's a God's soul in a Saiyan body maybe it led to a mutation, but that's never stated or implied.

Yes, it is. It's stated in 61 I believe that the combination of a Saiyan's increasing battle potential and a God's mind produces huge results right after Black powers-up and overwhelms Goku.

[TheMikado]

Where is this "Trunks is useless" meme coming from? He saved their lives 2 chapters ago. People are really upset he didn't get a random power boost, which is hilarious because when Toei gave him the random power boost, people crapped all over it, saying there's no way he should be able to compete with god level characters

Today has shown me that I need to stay away from this fanbase, just mindless nitpicking and doing their best to take the fun out of everything about the show/manga in an attempt to say "lol anime fans/lol manga fans your version sucks!" Jesus Christ I'm so glad I didn't visit forums during DBZ's airing, because now no matter where I go, can't escape it.

Wanting Trunks to get a power-up doesn't mean we want him to get a stupid rage boost transformation. There are good ways to write power-ups you do realize that?

How would you write one though? I though the manga did it the better way, we still have no idea what SS Rage is and if it hase God ki.

[MisteryOne]

BTW, when this new «using SSB yet it looks like I'm using SSB» I have realized that, definelty, Blue was a mistake. It being a replacement for SS would have been good, but since as a different form it just fails since it's a shitty recolor, SSG should just have been the new transformation. It has ended being it in the manga anyway, and it looks like shit in the anime version with the old outfits.
Its also interesting how something as simple as making SSGSS somehow weaker than SSG would have solved the biggest power scaling problems in both manga and anime.

He completely changed BoG (for the worse imo), I do not know why people think he follows outline really closely espcially when he admitted that he is gonna handle a reveal differently from the outline, this is problem getting a fan fic writer to do an offical albeit promo Manga, it is hard to separate his fanboy-ism and he is showing it.

Dislike all you want, but never spread misinformation, caused by your failure to do proper research.
Toyotaro's statement:

The Trunks arc within Dragon Ball Super will hit the U.S. soon, and while a certain reveal is the same in the manga, anime, and Toriyama's outline, both the anime and manga have different ways of getting there, each taking advantage of the unique aspects of their medium, so I hope everyone enjoys comparing them.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intervi ... ou/.107579
NOWHERE does he state the manga will differ from the outline, only that the manga and anime will handle the reveal differently.

I guess I misinterpreted it, my bad. Point still remains he changed BoG though.

Not to mention he already said before starting this arc that Goku was his favourite character, so saying he's a Vegeta fanboy is just dumb. Being a fanboy of SSG is something different trough (and probably SS2 too)

So? Goku being his favourite doesn't mean he can't fanboy over other characters...

And what's the problem then? The anime staff also fanboyed over Trunks then, and a hell lot (nonsensical Gendikama asspull, Mafuba, Ikari,being able to hurt Rosé in episode 57) It seems if Toyo fanboys someone who is not Goku or Trunks, like Vegeta there is a problem? What has the fact that Toyo was a fanfic writer have anything to do with this then? Are there fanfic writers in Toei staff as well? Trunks getting Ikari is apparently ok, but Vegeta getting God is somehow bad, even trough bot scenarios are moronic given the context. Well, Vegeta has at least trained in the ROSAT I supose. Trunks just was beaten in the forest for some seconds.

I'm starting to realize how much of the hate for this chapter comes from hate to Vegeta himself because of having God now. Will the fanbase ever learn that if there is a character who wil always gain new transformations without a reason it will be Vegeta? Not that it makes any less bullshit, bit people should have realized it already.

[Doctor.]

Where is this "Trunks is useless" meme coming from? He saved their lives 2 chapters ago. People are really upset he didn't get a random power boost, which is hilarious because when Toei gave him the random power boost, people crapped all over it, saying there's no way he should be able to compete with god level characters

Today has shown me that I need to stay away from this fanbase, just mindless nitpicking and doing their best to take the fun out of everything about the show/manga in an attempt to say "lol anime fans/lol manga fans your version sucks!" Jesus Christ I'm so glad I didn't visit forums during DBZ's airing, because now no matter where I go, can't escape it.

Wanting Trunks to get a power-up doesn't mean we want him to get a stupid rage boost transformation. There are good ways to write power-ups you do realize that?

How would you write one though? I though the manga did it the better way, we still have no idea what SS Rage is and if it hase God ki.

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

[Totamo]

Where is this "Trunks is useless" meme coming from? He saved their lives 2 chapters ago. People are really upset he didn't get a random power boost, which is hilarious because when Toei gave him the random power boost, people crapped all over it, saying there's no way he should be able to compete with god level characters

Today has shown me that I need to stay away from this fanbase, just mindless nitpicking and doing their best to take the fun out of everything about the show/manga in an attempt to say "lol anime fans/lol manga fans your version sucks!" Jesus Christ I'm so glad I didn't visit forums during DBZ's airing, because now no matter where I go, can't escape it.

Wanting Trunks to get a power-up doesn't mean we want him to get a stupid rage boost transformation. There are good ways to write power-ups you do realize that?

It might as well. It wouldn't even be in here if people didn't complain and scream. Maybe they would have done something better.

You guys wanted to be heard? Now they hear you but only your ideas not your execution, which is the most important thing about art.