"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Totamo]

Wanting Trunks to get a power-up doesn't mean we want him to get a stupid rage boost transformation. There are good ways to write power-ups you do realize that?

How would you write one though? I though the manga did it the better way, we still have no idea what SS Rage is and if it hase God ki.

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

That would ruin the form and be a rehash of z.

[Doctor.]

How would you write one though? I though the manga did it the better way, we still have no idea what SS Rage is and if it hase God ki.

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

That would ruin the form and be a rehash of z.

Let's pretend it doesn't exist and everyone is an idiot, then.

[TheMikado]

Wanting Trunks to get a power-up doesn't mean we want him to get a stupid rage boost transformation. There are good ways to write power-ups you do realize that?

How would you write one though? I though the manga did it the better way, we still have no idea what SS Rage is and if it hase God ki.

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

I guess I'm fine with it but the form isn't permanent and no telling if he could absorb it like Goku. I'm not a fan of everyone getting God ki especially when we can't even give the other humans kaioken despite reviving it and throwing humans into this multi universes survival tournament... I mean if there was ever a time to do that it would be now.

[Totamo]

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

That would ruin the form and be a rehash of z.

Let's pretend it doesn't exist and everyone is an idiot, then.

The Z fighters are idiots haven't you watch the show?

[Doctor.]

How would you write one though? I though the manga did it the better way, we still have no idea what SS Rage is and if it hase God ki.

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

I guess I'm fine with it but the form isn't permanent and no telling if he could absorb it like Goku. I'm not a fan of everyone getting God ki especially when we can't even give the other humans kaioken despite reviving it and throwing humans into this multi universes survival tournament... I mean if there was ever a time to do that it would be now.

The manga implies the form is permanent, so that wouldn't be an issue. Manga Trunks can get SSG just fine. I hate that we have perfectly abusable techniques and methods to get stronger and the characters are all idiots who don't take advantage of them. And the writers don't even care about patching up the holes. Don't want SSG to go to anyone except Goku? Fine, say each Saiyan can only perform the ritual once in their lifetime or something, fixed. This way at least the audience won't ask questions.

[Basako]

And all this with just a small portion of a 40 page manga. Well, I think there is space for a lot yet that we don't know and don't forget about the translations, which will give us the complete picture. I hope we get to know in more detail about Vegeta's SSG form, if he was always able to use it or just after this last training. How he beats Black and the Mafuba in action.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

And what's the problem then? The anime staff also fanboyed over Trunks then, and a hell lot (nonsensical Gendikama asspull, Mafuba, Ikari,being able to hurt Rosé in episode 57) It seems if Toyo fanboys someone who is not Goku or Trunks, like Vegeta there is a problem? What has the fact that Toyo was a fanfic writer have anything to do with this then? Are there fanfic writers in Toei staff as well? Trunks getting Ikari is apparently ok, but Vegeta getting God is somehow bad, even trough bot scenarios are moronic given the context. Well, Vegeta has at least trained in the ROSAT I supose. Trunks just was beaten in the forest for some seconds.

There problem is the official title of the arc is "The Future Trunks" arc not the "Vegeta arc" if there is anyone that deserves fanboying over it is him since the arc is named after him. And even then all of Trunks "asspulls" came with consequences, Ikari did nothing, the Mafuba is what lead to the fusion and the Spirit Sword is what lead to Zamasu ditching his physical body and becoming the universe which then resulted in everyone he was trying to protect dying and Zen-Oh then added the cherry on the cake by just flat out erasing the entire universe! The further problem here is that Vegeta just jobbed Black a few chapters ago, whereas in the anime they built it up wayyyyy better by having Vegeta not job Black until post-RoSaT. And his fan ficy past is showing up he is needlessly complicating things just to use SSG, Oh Vegeta is actaully using SSGSS the moments he attacks! WTF! It is shitty fan ficy writing so he can use SSG that is all.

Also Goku just went SS on some random planet, Vegeta just showed up with SS out the blue despite it being established prior why he was never able to attain it, Kid Trunks and Goten went SS so early with no apparent reason ever given, but Ikari that is where he must draw the line right?

[TheMikado]

The SSG ritual is literally a free, no drawback power-up (in the manga even more-so than the anime). You can EASILY power-up any of the remaining Saiyans in a way that makes sense, the writers just don't want to.

Would it be a cheap power-up? Sure, SSG is. But actually abusing it is better than pretending the ritual doesn't exist and isn't easy to do.

I guess I'm fine with it but the form isn't permanent and no telling if he could absorb it like Goku. I'm not a fan of everyone getting God ki especially when we can't even give the other humans kaioken despite reviving it and throwing humans into this multi universes survival tournament... I mean if there was ever a time to do that it would be now.

The manga implies the form is permanent, so that wouldn't be an issue. Manga Trunks can get SSG just fine. I hate that we have perfectly abusable techniques and methods to get stronger and the characters are all idiots who don't take advantage of them. And the writers don't even care about patching up the holes. Don't want SSG to go to anyone except Goku? Fine, say each Saiyan can only perform the ritual once in their lifetime or something, fixed. This way at least the audience won't ask questions.

I was thinking more about the anime as the only way to be relevant and powerup with any permanence is to obtain God ki. When their base forms are tanking SSJ3 Gotenks even Trunks getting SSJ3 in the anime should literally be nothing to any enemy who can challenge SSB.

Oops I remembered right after writing this that Trunks is above SSJ3 Gotenks in base too so I guess that wouldn't matter.

[LightBing]

I'll quote myself from another thread since the Trunks is useless myth persists.

Something that has been repeated enough for me to be concerned is Trunks role in the manga. It's objectively wrong to say he has done nothing. He has done a lot, just because he didn't participate in the first bout against Black doesn't clear everything else he did before. I advise everybody to read the manga again, instead of spreading misinformation.

He's heavily featured in the first two chapters and gets two fights out of it. Then he gets his own flashback where we see him getting SSJ2 and killing Dabra and Babidi. Later he sacrifices himself just so that the Saiyans can escape and gets another fight out of it. The most important moment in the arc, yet.

Pretty tired of these myths, which ultimately developed because they are easy "catch-phrase" criticisms.

Let's pretend it doesn't exist and everyone is an idiot, then.

Remember the Mafuba, aka the Super Saiyan God ritual before Super and arguably much better. Mr.Toriyama remembered it this arc and went out of his way to make it fail in a silly gag, because he knows his writing by the seat of his pants style creates these problems.

This is Dragon Ball, you know the person who's writing it and what he intends to deliver. If your expectations don't meet him half-way at the very least, you probably shouldn't be here. Because you won't enjoy Dragon Ball and you'll just be pointing out it's errors and probably not be happy about it.
Everyone should look at the author who makes fart jokes and say "maybe I shouldn't take everything so seriously".
I hope this doesn't come out as rude, that isn't my intention.

[Doctor.]

Having criticism doesn't mean I don't enjoy the show.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Here's my headcanon/prediction: The 90% power loss thing only applies when dropping down to a mortal form. Thus Vegeta doesn't lose power when he drops down to SSGod since SSGod is a God form like Blue.

[TheMikado]

Here's my headcanon/prediction: The 90% power loss thing only applies when dropping down to a mortal form. Thus Vegeta doesn't lose power when he drops down to SSGod since SSGod is a God form like Blue.

I'm sure it would make sense if people actually wait for more than one panel and an off the cuff translation of said panel...

[ekrolo2]

Just because some problems are ingrained into the series doesn't mean they can't be fixed later on which I don't think is asking much with a show that's supposed to be a new continuation of it. Or am I actually going to need to watch a total, scorched Earth reboot of Dragon Ball for someone to grasp the concept of forethought when it comes to the writing side?

[Fizzer]

I kind of expected the form Trunks showed off earlier to be an SSJ2 Grade 2, then "SSRage" to be Grade 3, a natural extension of that. Is Rage not in the manga at all?

[mfwlegend3]

When I read Manga!Black's dialogue, all I could hear is the voice of Sean Schemmel, which suites that counterpart of Black more. Anime!Black, on the other hand, is all Nozawa.

[Totamo]

And what's the problem then? The anime staff also fanboyed over Trunks then, and a hell lot (nonsensical Gendikama asspull, Mafuba, Ikari,being able to hurt Rosé in episode 57) It seems if Toyo fanboys someone who is not Goku or Trunks, like Vegeta there is a problem? What has the fact that Toyo was a fanfic writer have anything to do with this then? Are there fanfic writers in Toei staff as well? Trunks getting Ikari is apparently ok, but Vegeta getting God is somehow bad, even trough bot scenarios are moronic given the context. Well, Vegeta has at least trained in the ROSAT I supose. Trunks just was beaten in the forest for some seconds.

There problem is the official title of the arc is "The Future Trunks" arc not the "Vegeta arc" if there is anyone that deserves fanboying over it is him since the arc is named after him. And even then all of Trunks "asspulls" came with consequences, Ikari did nothing, the Mafuba is what lead to the fusion and the Spirit Sword is what lead to Zamasu ditching his physical body and becoming the universe which then resulted in everyone he was trying to protect dying and Zen-Oh then added the cherry on the cake by just flat out erasing the entire universe! The further problem here is that Vegeta just jobbed Black a few chapters ago, whereas in the anime they built it up wayyyyy better by having Vegeta not job Black until post-RoSaT. And his fan ficy past is showing up he is needlessly complicating things just to use SSG, Oh Vegeta is actaully using SSGSS the moments he attacks! WTF! It is shitty fan ficy writing so he can use SSG that is all.

Also Goku just went SS on some random planet, Vegeta just showed up with SS out the blue despite it being established prior why he was never able to attain it, Kid Trunks and Goten went SS so early with no apparent reason ever given, but Ikari that is where he must draw the line right?

Thats not the point. It didn't matter that he failed, it was the fact they happened and they were stupid.

[Totamo]

I kind of expected the form Trunks showed off earlier to be an SSJ2 Grade 2, then "SSRage" to be Grade 3, a natural extension of that. Is Rage not in the manga at all?

No, he would hav egotten it by now and he is getting beaten up by black in this chapter

[SansrivaaL]

So taking something by mistake makes you a complete moron, I must be a complete moron then

You would be a moron if you did not even bother to take one second to look at something that's obviously not it. This would be like confusing a fork for a spoon.

Took the wrong pamphlet 1x because I was in a rush, so taking something by mistake hasnt happened to you? amazing! you're probably the first person I heard that hasnt done a simple mistake like that.
In Goku's case the seal and the discount coupon could look identical on the back, a plain white paper. Thats normally how discount papers look in Japan.

[TheMikado]

And what's the problem then? The anime staff also fanboyed over Trunks then, and a hell lot (nonsensical Gendikama asspull, Mafuba, Ikari,being able to hurt Rosé in episode 57) It seems if Toyo fanboys someone who is not Goku or Trunks, like Vegeta there is a problem? What has the fact that Toyo was a fanfic writer have anything to do with this then? Are there fanfic writers in Toei staff as well? Trunks getting Ikari is apparently ok, but Vegeta getting God is somehow bad, even trough bot scenarios are moronic given the context. Well, Vegeta has at least trained in the ROSAT I supose. Trunks just was beaten in the forest for some seconds.

There problem is the official title of the arc is "The Future Trunks" arc not the "Vegeta arc" if there is anyone that deserves fanboying over it is him since the arc is named after him. And even then all of Trunks "asspulls" came with consequences, Ikari did nothing, the Mafuba is what lead to the fusion and the Spirit Sword is what lead to Zamasu ditching his physical body and becoming the universe which then resulted in everyone he was trying to protect dying and Zen-Oh then added the cherry on the cake by just flat out erasing the entire universe! The further problem here is that Vegeta just jobbed Black a few chapters ago, whereas in the anime they built it up wayyyyy better by having Vegeta not job Black until post-RoSaT. And his fan ficy past is showing up he is needlessly complicating things just to use SSG, Oh Vegeta is actaully using SSGSS the moments he attacks! WTF! It is shitty fan ficy writing so he can use SSG that is all.

Also Goku just went SS on some random planet, Vegeta just showed up with SS out the blue despite it being established prior why he was never able to attain it, Kid Trunks and Goten went SS so early with no apparent reason ever given, but Ikari that is where he must draw the line right?

Thats not the point. It didn't matter that he failed, it was the fact they happened and they were stupid.

So do we have a full copy to read this translated in context because I want to find out for sure that the bolded is actually true.

[The gr]

There problem is the official title of the arc is "The Future Trunks" arc not the "Vegeta arc" if there is anyone that deserves fanboying over it is him since the arc is named after him. And even then all of Trunks "asspulls" came with consequences, Ikari did nothing, the Mafuba is what lead to the fusion and the Spirit Sword is what lead to Zamasu ditching his physical body and becoming the universe which then resulted in everyone he was trying to protect dying and Zen-Oh then added the cherry on the cake by just flat out erasing the entire universe! The further problem here is that Vegeta just jobbed Black a few chapters ago, whereas in the anime they built it up wayyyyy better by having Vegeta not job Black until post-RoSaT. And his fan ficy past is showing up he is needlessly complicating things just to use SSG, Oh Vegeta is actaully using SSGSS the moments he attacks! WTF! It is shitty fan ficy writing so he can use SSG that is all.

Also Goku just went SS on some random planet, Vegeta just showed up with SS out the blue despite it being established prior why he was never able to attain it, Kid Trunks and Goten went SS so early with no apparent reason ever given, but Ikari that is where he must draw the line right?

Thats not the point. It didn't matter that he failed, it was the fact they happened and they were stupid.

So do we have a full copy to read this translated in context because I want to find out for sure that the bolded is actually true.

here ya go don't ignored This one, like my other post