"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

[dbzfan7]

From herms:

At the tournament they could only go SSB once, but Vegeta's trained & can now go SSB many times without losing power. There, that's settled.

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/843192640619204608

Then why is SSG even needed?

For stamina reasons. It also is a good way to put someone off guard. It's like pitching a 60mph ball to a 99mph ball. It's harder to predict movement when gears and speeds in an instant keep changing.

I mean the anime mentioned SSB had an energy weakness as that's why Goku didn't immediately use it against Hit. My problem with the anime is it doesn't have a weakness. They say it does, but it really never ever comes into play. So it was made up completely with no real basis. Not that the manga didn't have it's own issue as mentioned a bunch of times before.

I think they're trying to say if Vegeta stayed in SSB even when powered up, he'd fall in the long term. So he used SSG in the middle to keep his stamina going. Also SSG doesn't seem to really have drawbacks no more as it's just a weaker god form now. Kinda like how Goku could hold Kaio-Ken in lower forms, but had to use it in bursts in the later multipliers.

[Basako]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

There is way, as one of the characteristics of this form is its body fitness and the consecuent agility and speed benefit. The contrary the USS had.

[SansrivaaL]

Then why is SSG even needed?

Less stamina drain, take it as Goku's fight with Freeza when he was using KK for short bursts.
Its weird tho since this isnt anything new, and why the hell didnt Goku use this against kid boo? he should know how to use this cause he's been doin it since saiyan arc with KK.

That still makes no sense. Black is still supposed to be stronger.

Vegeta did train, it makes sense that he's gotten stronger than his previous self. I doubt Vegeta would be all smirky like that if he knew the gap was still large between them.

I mean he kinda has too Trunks and Mai can't just be the only surviving humans and still live on earth it would be weird.

If he doesnt then Trunks and Mai better do a good Adam and Eve, I dont remember much but did Black destroy the super dragon balls? if not then they can just use that to restore everything back to the way it was.
The reason why I think this may not happen is because Toyo wants to do things differently than the anime.

[Doctor.]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

[TheUltimateNinja]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

There's that as well, Goku lost energy from using Mafuba on top of the energy he already lost from going Blue, if SSGod is at maximum capacity regardless they're all complete retards for not using at all the time.

[Doctor.]

Let's not forget how the chapter implies Vegeta got God by the ROSAT training.

[Basako]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

No way. The blue form is still way stronger, but it has a big stamina draining drawback. Vegeta has trained and probably improved, but he is using the blue just to hit Black. He is using a very good and precise conbination of both. Not only he trained, he used his head.

[OLKv3]

SSG has no drawbacks except being weaker
SSB is pretty much SS3 in comparison to SSG. Extreme power but massive ki strain

On the plus, I love Goku's behaviour in this battle. He actually tried to stop the fusion

[TheUltimateNinja]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

No way. The blue form is still way stronger, but it has a big stamina draining drawback. Vegeta has trained and probably improved, but he is using the blue just to hit Black. He is using a very good and precise conbination of both. Not only he trained, he used his head.

The thing is, even if we go ahead and assume SSGod gives a 1.5x boost to speed, it still can't be much weaker than Blue or Vegeta wouldn't be able to keep up with Black.

[SansrivaaL]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

He never said that. All he was babbling about was that he himself wasnt the same as before, so he thinks Vegeta may have a new form, and Vegeta just shows SSJG.

[OLKv3]

This chapter was really good. Enjoyed it, only thing I hate is that we never got Black vs the team, it was just boring 1v1s. Everything else is on point

[Basako]

Let's not forget how the chapter implies Vegeta got God by the ROSAT training.

That's still unknown and it doesn't imply that. That's something people think, understandably, because Vegeta never used the form before. We should wait for the translations.

[Doctor.]

So is the difference between God and Blue much smaller than we thought? Maybe 1.2x or something? Because even with a leaner frame there's no way Vegeta should be faster than Black with a much weaker form.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

No way. The blue form is still way stronger, but it has a big stamina draining drawback. Vegeta has trained and probably improved, but he is using the blue just to hit Black. He is using a very good and precise conbination of both. Not only he trained, he used his head.

If SSB is "way stronger", then SSG Vegeta shouldn't keep up with Black. And if SSG Vegeta is at Black's level, then it doesn't even matter if he uses this strategy because Blue should one shot. The strategy only works if the two forms are near strength.

And, again, Black held his own with SSB in Super Saiyan and this chapter he says Vegeta isn't much stronger; the chapter implied he dedicated his training to achieve God. Vegeta should be getting trashed. Even if he got stronger and we just ignore what Black said, he got over 10x stronger in one year when he said the last arc that the ROSAT training wouldn't do anything to them anymore. This is full of problems.

[Basako]

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

No way. The blue form is still way stronger, but it has a big stamina draining drawback. Vegeta has trained and probably improved, but he is using the blue just to hit Black. He is using a very good and precise conbination of both. Not only he trained, he used his head.

The thing is, even if we go ahead and assume SSGod gives a 1.5x boost to speed, it still can't be much weaker than Blue or Vegeta wouldn't be able to keep up with Black.

He is using the red for defense and not drain and blue just to hit. I don't see why he can't keep up, the fact is he does, that's what he found, a way to do it.

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

No way. The blue form is still way stronger, but it has a big stamina draining drawback. Vegeta has trained and probably improved, but he is using the blue just to hit Black. He is using a very good and precise conbination of both. Not only he trained, he used his head.

If SSB is "way stronger", then SSG Vegeta shouldn't keep up with Black. And if SSG Vegeta is at Black's level, then it doesn't even matter if he uses this strategy because Blue should one shot. The strategy only works if the two forms are near strength.

And, again, Black held his own with SSB in Super Saiyan and this chapter he says Vegeta isn't much stronger; the chapter implied he dedicated his training to achieve God. Vegeta should be getting trashed. Even if he got stronger and we just ignore what Black said, he got over 10x stronger in one year when he said the last arc that the ROSAT training wouldn't do anything to them anymore. This is full of problems.

He is keeping up with this strategy he found. What's the problem here? SSB is stronger in therms of strength, that's why he uses it exclusively to hit Black, reducing to the minimum the draining. The chapter doesn't imply what you say, Vegeta used the training, maybe a while to come up with the strategy and then to practice the technique of using the blue like that. He didn't get x10 stronger, you made up that. He is probably stronger now, but we don't know how much. It's not strength what is beating Black, is strategy. I don't remember him saying the RoSaT wouldn't work, when was that? If he said that, he has proved he was wrong. Just for the time saving benefit, the RoSaT is still a totally valid training place, more in times like this.

[Pantheon]

I can't wait for next chapter where super saiyan god Gogeta gets beat by merged zamasu after weakening him and then Gogeta give his power to trunks who then transforms into super saiyan god. While this is happening Shin shouts "OF COURSE!!!! Gogeta had so much energy it was the equivalent of the 5 saiyans necessary for the ritual. Then Trunks and Zamasu fly into space and the battle is literally a blow for blow copy of battle of gods.

(this was a joke but if anything remotely like this happens you all owe me money.)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Seeing as how Black forced Vegeta to take a senzu using only Super Saiyan, and Black said Vegeta wasn't much stronger, it's bullshit regardless.

This makes SSB virtually useless. Shouldn't Goku be unable to use SSG too if the forms are so close in power? I mean, this is making it seem like SSG has literally no drawbacks.

No way. The blue form is still way stronger, but it has a big stamina draining drawback. Vegeta has trained and probably improved, but he is using the blue just to hit Black. He is using a very good and precise conbination of both. Not only he trained, he used his head.

If SSB is "way stronger", then SSG Vegeta shouldn't keep up with Black. And if SSG Vegeta is at Black's level, then it doesn't even matter if he uses this strategy because Blue should one shot. The strategy only works if the two forms are near strength.

And, again, Black held his own with SSB in Super Saiyan and this chapter he says Vegeta isn't much stronger; the chapter implied he dedicated his training to achieve God. Vegeta should be getting trashed. Even if he got stronger and we just ignore what Black said, he got over 10x stronger in one year when he said the last arc that the ROSAT training wouldn't do anything to them anymore. This is full of problems.

According to Sansrivaal Black didn't say that about Vegeta. Also, them reaching their limits in the RoSAT is an anime thing, I don't recall them saying it in the manga.

[Pantheon]

I can't wait for next chapter where super saiyan god Gogeta gets beat by merged Zamasu after weakening him and then Gogeta gives his power to trunks who then transforms into super saiyan god. While this is happening Shin shouts "OF COURSE!!!! Gogeta had so much energy it was the equivalent of the 5 saiyans necessary for the ritual. Then Trunks and Zamasu fly into space and the battle is literally a blow for blow copy of battle of gods.

(this was a joke but if anything remotely like this happens you all owe me money.)

[TheUltimateNinja]

I can't wait for next chapter where super saiyan god Gogeta gets beat by merged Zamasu after weakening him and then Gogeta gives his power to trunks who then transforms into super saiyan god. While this is happening Shin shouts "OF COURSE!!!! Gogeta had so much energy it was the equivalent of the 5 saiyans necessary for the ritual. Then Trunks and Zamasu fly into space and the battle is literally a blow for blow copy of battle of gods.

(this was a joke but if anything remotely like this happens you all owe me money.)

Why did you quote yourself?

[Pantheon]

I can't wait for next chapter where super saiyan god Gogeta gets beat by merged Zamasu after weakening him and then Gogeta gives his power to trunks who then transforms into super saiyan god. While this is happening Shin shouts "OF COURSE!!!! Gogeta had so much energy it was the equivalent of the 5 saiyans necessary for the ritual. Then Trunks and Zamasu fly into space and the battle is literally a blow for blow copy of battle of gods.

(this was a joke but if anything remotely like this happens you all owe me money.)

Why did you quote yourself?

An accident while editing my text and it wouldn't let me edit it back.