Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Ajay » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:59 pm

JazzMazz wrote:Really? Thats a strange average to aim for considering that there were scenes in #33 that I felt were done better than the one you mentioned.
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This is the kind of scene I would like to be the average for Super all the time(even though I didn't think it was anything special).
Yeah, that looks really bad to me. Really stiff and typical bottom-weighted Kitano rubbish.

For context: the reason I painted the other example as the average is because at the time we had very few fast paced, well executed looped frames. I wanted that type of speed over awkward and stiff cuts since the schedule didn't seem to allow anything better.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by kinisking » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:08 pm

Ajay wrote:
JazzMazz wrote:Really? Thats a strange average to aim for considering that there were scenes in #33 that I felt were done better than the one you mentioned.
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This is the kind of scene I would like to be the average for Super all the time(even though I didn't think it was anything special).
Yeah, that looks really bad to me. Really stiff and typical bottom-weighted Kitano rubbish.

For context: the reason I painted the other example as the average is because at the time we had very few fast paced, well executed looped frames. I wanted that type of speed over awkward and stiff cuts since the schedule didn't seem to allow anything better.
Episode 80 was far above that. I hope that's our average from now on.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by JazzMazz » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:11 pm

Ajay wrote:
JazzMazz wrote:Really? Thats a strange average to aim for considering that there were scenes in #33 that I felt were done better than the one you mentioned.
[spoiler]

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This is the kind of scene I would like to be the average for Super all the time(even though I didn't think it was anything special).
Yeah, that looks really bad to me. Really stiff and typical bottom-weighted Kitano rubbish.

For context: the reason I painted the other example as the average is because at the time we had very few fast paced, well executed looped frames. I wanted that type of speed over awkward and stiff cuts since the schedule didn't seem to allow anything better.
That seems reasonable.
Also, just wondering your thoughts on who you think did those cuts from #179 that were uploaded to the Booru?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by dhaval_dongre » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:55 am

Sodhi wrote:Tommorow's episode will be debut of Nii Hirotaka from studio Mark as a supervisor. He has worked in Super as a KA in #21,#27,#56, #65,#71 & #74. Really looking forward to see his style. Hopefully it's good.
All of the past 3 episodes (might be 4, but not sure about 79) have had KA outsourced (not for the entire episode obviously). Looks like the upcoming episode is no exception and as a result of that we have had very bloated staff lists. So I don't mind it if it helps out the core staff at Toei. In the FT arc we did had some outsourcing for KA mainly by Wanpack but not to this degree or rather on such a consistent level. It will be interesting to see how this strategy works out for the arc, along with the 10- 11 week of filler that they did. Its not going to fix the schedule which is still in a messy state to be totally honest, but if it helps out to a decent degree, along with this level of outsourcing for the future arcs, I will be a happy guy.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:43 am

Alee9977 wrote:I'm only glad the animation isn't so stiff like it used to be, we don't see moments like Gohan and Krillin catching Goku anymore, that scene looked like they were catching a robot instead of a person.
It seems like since the Future Trunks arc the animators have focused on animation over art quality for a lot of episodes (not all of them mind you), which is kinda odd considering the limits placed on them by the state of production. I feel like the animation quality is in a pretty good place now (Not saying it can't improve more or shouldn't), so hopefully from this point on with any improvements the production sees they focus a bit more art quality. If we got a lot more episodes like 77-81, but with a more consistent art quality that'd be pretty great.

Anyways, I'm very interested to see how today's episode turns out, Itai has had 7 weeks and Nii's last episode was 9 weeks ago. The only action episodes Itai has ever been a supervisor were the rushed 64 and 76, so this episode might give us a better grasp on his abilities and it will be interesting to see how good of a supervisor Nii can be, especially if he started working on 82 right after 74. I hope he's good and stays on as a supervisor. We've also not seen Inaba since Itai's last episode, hope he's on today's!
If 82 turns out good then this will be the longest block of action heavy episodes Super has ever had without falling apart. You could feel that 81 almost fell apart, but I think they managed to keep it together.
kinisking wrote: Episode 80 was far above that. I hope that's our average from now on.
While I'm a positive guy, I don't think 80 will be the average quality this arc, maybe next arc! But hey, I'd love to be wrong. My feeling is that 80's quality will be what we see for relatively big episodes, but not huge ones.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Ajay » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:02 pm

JazzMazz wrote:Also, just wondering your thoughts on who you think did those cuts from #179 that were uploaded to the Booru?
Iwane seems like a safe bet. He confirmed on his website that he did the Father-son Kamehameha and the effects there match the ones in those #179 scenes.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:29 pm

Pretty good, though a bit iffy at some points. Goku's Super Saiyan transformation was nice.
Kitano popping up again to do stuff in the end was weird. Also there was way less Tsuji than I expected, same for Itai, at least for what I could tell was him.
Seeing some CG is interesting.

NEP looks great! Wonder what the deal is with the Krillin vs Basil stuff there.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:30 pm

Some pretty rough art at times throughout the episode. The fight between Goku and Toppo nothing special. It was kinda slow paced in the first but the battle really picked up in the second half.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:31 pm

WTF that was pretty good. I believe Kitano got downgraded to key animator. That's a wonderful decision, but thinking about it, what is the best: every episodes with some shitty Kitano arts, or an entire episode with 100% shitty Kitano arts? I really don't know...

NEP looks incredible, wow!!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Sodhi » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:31 pm

That was much better than what I was expecting. Fight itself was decent and only a few art complaints here and there. Mostly Kitano.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Alee9977 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:34 pm

Very good episode, Kitano ruined the great art and animation this episode had.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by perucho1990 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:36 pm

Sodhi wrote:That was much better than what I was expecting. Fight itself was decent and only a few art complaints here and there. Mostly Kitano.
Oh that explains why Beerus looked like a Scooby Doo in the last 5 minutes of the episode.

Why dont use Kitano for next weeks episode, seeing the Pilaf Gang with his art would be really hilarious.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Burast » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:38 pm

FUCK KITANO. :problem:

However this episode was good. NEP looks boring.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Ajay » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:40 pm

Burast wrote:FUCK KITANO. :problem:
You can put this in a much more constructive way. Disliking their output doesn't warrant personal attacks like that.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Nasryyy » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:40 pm

This episode was amazing especially Itai's part . Kitano being kitano again
NEP looks good

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Burast » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:44 pm

Ajay wrote:
Burast wrote:FUCK KITANO. :problem:
You can put this in a much more constructive way. Disliking their output doesn't warrant personal attacks like that.
Oh, sorry. Just got carried away by what I felt at the end of the episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:47 pm

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Any idea on the artist on this shot? Goku's small nose doesn't really look familiar to me.

EDIT: Kitano supervised the last bit, that explains why he was there.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Ajay » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:51 pm

Episode 82

Animation supervisor
Nii Hirotaka Itai Hiroyuki Kitano Yukihiro

Key animator
Nii Hirotaka Tsukuma Takenori Funaki Shoichi Hong Beom-seok Jin Xinyou Pu Qi Bi Pu Yumei Sawada Hironori Taniguchi Moriyasu Nishikawa Masato Oka Tatsuya Kasai Saori Zhuo Shuixian Li Jiayong Sheng Junhao Li Xinghe Yin Renxing Mido Douga

2nd key animator
Kitano Yukihiro Inaba Jin Nikaido Atsushi Sasakado Nobuyoshi Itai Hiroyuki Tu Yeong-chaek

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That was interesting. Hirotaka Nii's style seems very angular -- parts of it I liked, others not so much. The animation during his half wasn't particularly impressive to me. Very stiff, but not totally horrible.

Itai's half was so so so much better. He's really proving himself as a very competent supervisor when given enough time. Absolutely love his style and that animation was terrific.

Tsuji's touch seemed incredibly light on the whole, which was quite surprising. Kitano showing up in a few scenes wasn't pleasant, but it wasn't too bad, thankfully.

Interesting to see how much of this episode was outsourced. It also marks the return of Tatsuya Oka! First appearance since #27.

Next week seems to have some impressive motion. Excited for that!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by Psykomatik » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:52 pm

So Tatsuya Oka is back... interresting!

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 81

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:53 pm

Yay, Oka's back! Inaba doing second key is weird, There was a shot of Goku I thought might have been Yokoyama, but she wasn't on this episode, I wonder if it was him instead.

Sawada Hironori is another animator that's been gone since episode 27.

No animation from Itai, kinda odd given the time between episodes.
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