The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:02 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
Gog wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs 50% FPSSJ Gohan (Cell Games)

Captain Ginyu vs Krillin (Mecha Frieza Arc)

Recoome, Burter and Jeice vs Tien (Post King Kai)

Yakon vs Kibito
Piccolo god stomps.

Captan Ginyu wins!

Kibito and not even fair

Ten either uses the Tri beam, or he gets stomped
In the case of Kibito, I thought he was supposed to be slightly weaker than Gohan according to the Daizenshuu, as well as how Kibito wasn't able to lift the sword yet Gohan and Goku could, while Yakon gave problems to Goku, and Gohan said that he and Goku had to go together (in base) in order to defeat Yakon.

I agree that Piccolo would win against that Gohan, but not sure if he could with a single stomp.
Yakon gave problems to Goku and Gohan? I thought that they just had to turn Super Saiyan because it was so dark.

He wasn't that far off from Gohan, honestly would put him at 70% or 80% of Gohan.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:09 pm

Gog wrote: Yakon gave problems to Goku and Gohan? I thought that they just had to turn Super Saiyan because it was so dark.

He wasn't that far off from Gohan, honestly would put him at 70% or 80% of Gohan.
Gohan said that if he and Goku fight together they would defeat Yakon. And we can see when Base Goku fought Yakon, he was having some trouble. With Kibito, he couldn't lift the sword, and Base Gohan and Goku managed to do it. That makes him weaker than Gohan and Goku (although with Gohan, he would be able to make a good fight as long as Gohan stays in base, that's according to the Daizenshuu).

Piccolo was said to be much weaker than Supreme Kai (it was said in the Daizenshuu that they were far apart in strenght, as well as in the manga when Piccolo said they were in different dimensions). Supreme Kai was also weaker than Buu Arc Gohan, who was a bit weaker than his stronger Cell Games counterpart. I'd say Buu Saga Piccolo in comparison to Cell Games Gohan, he is more like 55%, and would most likely be on Cell Jr level.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:19 pm

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Gog wrote: Yakon gave problems to Goku and Gohan? I thought that they just had to turn Super Saiyan because it was so dark.

He wasn't that far off from Gohan, honestly would put him at 70% or 80% of Gohan.
Gohan said that if he and Goku fight together they would defeat Yakon. And we can see when Base Goku fought Yakon, he was having some trouble. With Kibito, he couldn't lift the sword, and Base Gohan and Goku managed to do it. That makes him weaker than Gohan and Goku (although with Gohan, he would be able to make a good fight as long as Gohan stays in base, that's according to the Daizenshuu).

Piccolo was said to be much weaker than Supreme Kai (it was said in the Daizenshuu that they were far apart in strenght, as well as in the manga when Piccolo said they were in different dimensions). Supreme Kai was also weaker than Buu Arc Gohan, who was a bit weaker than his stronger Cell Games counterpart. I'd say Buu Saga Piccolo in comparison to Cell Games Gohan, he is more like 55%, and would most likely be on Cell Jr level.
What do you mean? Different dimensions apart in Dragon Ball equates to a 30% difference in more. He doesn't need to be nearly half of Gohan's strength for Gohan to be god like compared to him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:27 pm

Gog wrote: What do you mean? Different dimensions apart in Dragon Ball equates to a 30% difference in more. He doesn't need to be nearly half of Gohan's strength for Gohan to be god like compared to him.
Here are my numbers:

Cell Arc Piccolo - 12

Cell Arc Trunks - 17

Buu Arc Piccolo - 18

Cell Arc Vegeta - 19

Cell Jr - 20

Supreme Kai - 25

Cell Arc Goku - 30

Buu Arc Gohan - 32.5

Cell Arc Gohan - 35

You can see that I already have something similar to a 30% of difference between Supreme Kai and Buu Arc Piccolo, which can be imply as different dimensions as you say, and he's still like just slightly above half of Cell Arc Gohan's strenght.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:30 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
Gog wrote: What do you mean? Different dimensions apart in Dragon Ball equates to a 30% difference in more. He doesn't need to be nearly half of Gohan's strength for Gohan to be god like compared to him.
Here are my numbers:

Cell Arc Piccolo - 12

Cell Arc Trunks - 17

Buu Arc Piccolo - 18

Cell Arc Vegeta - 19

Cell Jr - 20

Supreme Kai - 25

Cell Arc Goku - 30

Buu Arc Gohan - 32.5

Cell Arc Gohan - 35

You can see that I already have something similar to a 30% of difference between Supreme Kai and Buu Arc Piccolo, which can be imply as different dimensions as you say, and he's still like just slightly above half of Cell Arc Gohan's strenght.
Then our numbers are incompatible then.

Anyway;

EOZ(base) Goku V Freeza (Fifth form)

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Post by dragonball0900 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:52 pm

Gog wrote: Then our numbers are incompatible then.

Anyway;

EOZ(base) Goku V Freeza (Fifth form)
It depends just on two things:

- On where you put Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo in comparison to Goku in the Cell Arc. If you put them that close to Goku (like 70% or 80%, which is probably not the case) then it won't work. To top of that, we have Buu Arc Gohan (who hasn't trained for 7 years) who is probably equal to Cell Arc Goku. And we have Supreme Kai below him, and Piccolo below Supreme Kai. There are two gaps to put in there, plus the fact that Buu Arc Piccolo is much stronger than Cell Arc Piccolo, since Piccolo, as we know, is always training. That means that there are like 3 gaps between Cell Arc Goku and Cell Arc Piccolo, so I don't think Piccolo surpassed 50% Goku. And if we assume he's 40% of Goku, then 7 years of training would put Piccolo up to 60% of Cell Games Goku.

- On how much difference you put between Cell Arc Gohan and Cell Arc Goku. If the difference is too close then your statements can probably work a bit.

But it's ok. Let's agree to disagree.

Anyway, assuming Frieza's transformations double his strenght every time. I'd say Frieza would be at 240,000,000. While Base Goku at End of Z (if we ignore Super) would be probably between 135,000,000-180,000,000 (finally surpassing Frieza, although it's possible that not by much since they were already reaching their limits), I'll give Frieza the win here.

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Post by Shlugo » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:08 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:Toppo vs Golden Frieza
Current Base Goku vs Buuhan
Present Zen-Oh vs Future Zen-Oh
Toppo should be a lot stronger and dosen't have to worry about his power dropping down fast. He wins.

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Post by pacz360 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:08 pm

Ssj rage trunks Vs toppo

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Post by Gog » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:20 pm

pacz360 wrote:Ssj rage trunks Vs toppo
We get a hole in Trunks.


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Post by Roronoa-pt » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:23 am

pacz360 wrote:Ssj rage trunks Vs toppo
Close fight, can go either way.
AvatarReiko wrote:Toppo vs Golden Frieza
Current Base Goku vs Buuhan
Present Zen-Oh vs Future Zen-Oh
1. Toppo was struggling against a much stronger SSJB Goku that the one who fought against Frieza. However, Toppo did good and even tanked with little difficulty a warp kamehameha. Toppo wins with mid difficulty and justice prevails!
2. If base Goku mix his god ki with his regular KI ( Rof saga ), he should win with low difficulty. If not ( his fight against Frost ), he loses badly.
3. Dragon Ball ends.
dragonball0900 wrote:Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs 50% FPSSJ Gohan (Cell Games)

Captain Ginyu vs Krillin (Mecha Frieza Arc)

Recoome, Burter and Jeice vs Tien (Post King Kai)

Yakon vs Kibito
1. Piccolo, easily.
2. Kuririn hasn't improved much since he fought in Namek, so he has no chance to win.
3. Kibito should win with low difficulty.
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Yamcha V Saibaman

Yamcha V Nappa

Yamcha V Vegeta(Saiyan Saga)

Yamcha V Ginyu

Yamcha V First Form Freeza

Yamcha V SaibaKing

Special Round

Yamcha V His Memes
1. Yamcha vaporizes Saibaman and gets his revenge.
2. Yamcha one shots.
3. Yamcha one shots.
4. Yamcha stomps.
5. Yamcha wins. I have him bellow Freeza's 2nd form.
6. Who's Saiba King ?
7. pass.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:48 pm

Roronoa-pt wrote: 3. Kibito should win with low difficulty.
Well, Kibito was below Base Gohan, and a much stronger Base Goku was stated to be on par with Yakon, to the point where Gohan said that they can only defeat him if he and Goku fight together. I'd really say Yakon would win this one.

Right. What if:

Yamcha (Mecha Frieza Arc) vs Zarbon

Android 16 vs Super Android 13

Android 14 vs Android 15

50% FPSSJ Goku (Cell Games) vs SSJ Future Trunks (Cell Games)

Buu Arc Piccolo vs 70% FPSSJ Goku (Cell Games)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:53 pm

New match:

- False Super Saiyan Goku (permanent) vs. Final Form Freeza (50% to 80% full power)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:29 pm

Noah wrote:New match:

- False Super Saiyan Goku (permanent) vs. Final Form Freeza (50% to 80% full power)
Goku
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Ki Breaker wrote:Goku
Could you be more specific why?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:50 pm

Noah wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:
Noah wrote:New match:

- False Super Saiyan Goku (permanent) vs. Final Form Freeza (50% to 80% full power)
Goku
Could you be more specific why?
I am pretty sure false super Saiyan had the same amount of boost as regular super Saiyan, some members were talking about it a while time ago..
Going by that and making it permanent makes freeza get shredded..
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Post by Gog » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:04 pm

Noah wrote:New match:

- False Super Saiyan Goku (permanent) vs. Final Form Freeza (50% to 80% full power)
Freeza blows up the planet and Goku suffocates to death.

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Post by AvatarReiko » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:15 pm

BOG Beers vs SSJB KK Goku, SSJB Vegeta & SSR Trunks
SSJ2 Trunks vs 4th Form Frieza(ROF)
SSJR Trunks vs Golden Frieza
SSJ Cabba vs Perfect Cell
SSJ Trunks & SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Semi-Perfect Cell Note: First Trip

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Post by pacz360 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:59 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:BOG Beers vs SSJB KK Goku, SSJB Vegeta & SSR Trunks
SSJ2 Trunks vs 4th Form Frieza(ROF)
SSJR Trunks vs Golden Frieza
SSJ Cabba vs Perfect Cell
SSJ Trunks & SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Semi-Perfect Cell Note: First Trip
Beerus
Trunks
Trunks
Cabba
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Post by Gog » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:08 pm

Neko Majin V Perfect Cell.

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Post by ZombieVito » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:19 am

AvatarReiko wrote:BOG Beers vs SSJB KK Goku, SSJB Vegeta & SSR Trunks
SSJ2 Trunks vs 4th Form Frieza(ROF)
SSJR Trunks vs Golden Frieza
SSJ Cabba vs Perfect Cell
SSJ Trunks & SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Semi-Perfect Cell Note: First Trip
Beerus wins with ease.
Freeza kills Trunks with a look.
Trunks wins easily.
Cell dies the same way his kids did.
Cell wins fairly easily if he uses his full power.

New fights:

Base Goku [Normal base] vs Future Trunks. Episode 49 of Super, no transformations or Kaioken.
Lavender vs Dabura. No magic, spit or poison.
U6 Kaioshin vs Shin. No magic or special abilities.
Bardock [DB-] vs Appule.
Future Zamasu vs Super Boo. No immortality, magic or special abilities.

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