"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

Ummm there was a lot of complaining about the whole Goku vs Gohan episode. Maybe you were fortunate enough to not witness the senseless bickering.

But It was clear Gohan started training again after the end of FnF, and Goku was obviously holding back, he only wanted to spar, not beat Gohan.

If Gohan didnt train, Goku wouldnt have praised him for his fight vs Lavenda, I mean Gohan has gotten a lot of hype in the Exhibition matches, he hasnt gotten that much hype since the Cell Saga.

[Guesswhoo]

Gohan fan are the salt of DB fanbase

[kinisking]

Gohan fan are the salt of DB fanbase

The Vegeta fans, Gohan , and Tien fans are the saltiest fanbases in Dragonball haha.

[TheMathemagician]

Gohan fan are the salt of DB fanbase

The Vegeta fans, Gohan , and Tien fans are the saltiest fanbases in Dragonball haha.

That's a fact lol. They get pretty bad. Just don't bring up cross universe discussions, cause then Goku fanbase go right up with them in how salty they can be lol.

[LightBing]

Can we stop segregating people from the fan-base and labelling them as such and such? I shouldn't need to explain why that isn't cool. I expect more from this community.

[dragonballgeek]

Ummm there was a lot of complaining about the whole Goku vs Gohan episode. Maybe you were fortunate enough to not witness the senseless bickering.

But It was clear Gohan started training again after the end of FnF, and Goku was obviously holding back, he only wanted to spar, not beat Gohan.

If Gohan didnt train, Goku wouldnt have praised him for his fight vs Lavenda, I mean Gohan has gotten a lot of hype in the Exhibition matches, he hasnt gotten that much hype since the Cell Saga.

I agree. I'm not a Gohan hater. I'm all for supporting him and that he's gotten a lot stronger.

I was just pointing out that there were discussions concering Goku vs Gohan

[kinisking]

Can we stop segregating people from the fan-base and labelling them as such and such? I shouldn't need to explain why that isn't cool. I expect more from this community.

Eh, I'm pretty sure Tien, Vegeta, and Gohan fans are well aware of how salty we can be. It's not saying they can't carry a civil conversation or anything but just that we tend to get salty about how our favorite characters are treated.

[TekTheNinja]

I don't understand the whole idea of identifying yourself as a fan of one particular character. I mean some people seem to only care as long as that one character is involved, without any other characters to fall back on. I mean I know I've complained about character usage often, but I always vaguely say that anyone not named Goku or Vegeta needs to get the spotlight since those two tend to hog it. I still say it would help if the others were even CLOSE to Goku and Vegeta's level, but they're in entirely different realms of power. Tangent aside, I've got to say that fans of most characters are rightfully upset. Several fan favorites are either portrayed poorly, never used, or only used as the butt of a joke. Piccolo for instance, surprisingly enough has been treated like utter garbage throughout most of Super despite being a favorite of Toriyama. Gohan's had to learn to protect his loved ones like three times at this point. Krillin's portrayed as a complete coward who becomes useless in the face of adversity. Goten and Trunks aren't growing mentally or physically. Don't even get me started on Goku.

The strange case of a character I can't tell if has been done decently or terribly is Future Trunks. They ruined the ending to his original storyline, which sucks. They gave him a bullshit power boost and a Fairy Tale-esque "My friends are my power" scene. But they also made him cool, useful, and in character, so they did the key elements right I guess. I dunno, it's weird.

[Guesswhoo]

Sorry if i made a generalization, when i talk about Gohan fan, I talk about the fan who want more than" some time under the spotlight", I talk about the salty " Gohan was supposed to be the main, Gohan should be stronger than Goku and Vegeta since he has more potential etc etc". They tend to be more vocal and I see them everywhere when DB and Gohan are involved ( mostly on Youtbe ).

[DBZ Macky]

Goten and Trunks aren't growing mentally or physically

Hey, Trunks had a pretty cool scene with his Future self. IMO he got more "character development" in Super than he ever did in the original Manga or Anime.
Goten... doesn't like the Great Saiyaman outfit now, so there's that, I guess?

Though they really should grow up physically, we're already getting new "kid characters" in Bra and Pan soon, so that should be a good point to have the older kids look more like teenagers at the very least.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't understand the whole idea of identifying yourself as a fan of one particular character. I mean some people seem to only care as long as that one character is involved, without any other characters to fall back on. I mean I know I've complained about character usage often, but I always vaguely say that anyone not named Goku or Vegeta needs to get the spotlight since those two tend to hog it. I still say it would help if the others were even CLOSE to Goku and Vegeta's level, but they're in entirely different realms of power. Tangent aside, I've got to say that fans of most characters are rightfully upset. Several fan favorites are either portrayed poorly, never used, or only used as the butt of a joke. Piccolo for instance, surprisingly enough has been treated like utter garbage throughout most of Super despite being a favorite of Toriyama. Gohan's had to learn to protect his loved ones like three times at this point. Krillin's portrayed as a complete coward who becomes useless in the face of adversity. Goten and Trunks aren't growing mentally or physically. Don't even get me started on Goku.

The strange case of a character I can't tell if has been done decently or terribly is Future Trunks. They ruined the ending to his original storyline, which sucks. They gave him a bullshit power boost and a Fairy Tale-esque "My friends are my power" scene. But they also made him cool, useful, and in character, so they did the key elements right I guess. I dunno, it's weird.

I don't see how they ruined the ending to his original story, his future was still shit everyone that died stayed dead all he did was kill Cell, the only that happened here was Future Bulma died but she wasn't invincible she was gonna die naturally whether it be natural or otherwise. In a series where other character have had undeserved power ups/boosts regularly I don't see why the line should be drawn for Future Trunks if anyone who deserves some BS power ups now and then it is him.

[Beyond]

I don't see how they ruined the ending to his original story, his future was still shit everyone that died stayed dead all he did was kill Cell, the only that happened here was Future Bulma died but she wasn't invincible she was gonna die naturally whether it be natural or otherwise. In a series where other character have had undeserved power ups/boosts regularly I don't see why the line should be drawn for Future Trunks if anyone who deserves some BS power ups now and then it is him.

I don't know about that. Future Trunks' power up was on another level even for a saiyan. He just instantly learned a move we have no evidence or foreshadowing he should even know exists. He also gained a transformation out of nowhere that made him god tier just cause. He also learned the mafuba from a phone video in like 10 minutes. I don't think anyone got a more undeserved power up than that. Gohan's mystic power up at least had some exposition from the elder kai. Piccolo's absurd boost from namekian fusion at least has a specific set of requirements. Goku's SS3 transformation is plausible with the time he spent in other world, even if it makes him look like asshole for not using it against Vegeta. Vegeta stupid rage boost was pretty bad, but it still didn't make him any where near as strong. Trunks does whatever the hell he wants without having to explain or attempt to explain anything. It's complete fan service, and I can accept it all because at least it was cool fan service. IF anyone deserves a BS power it's Tien. he is basically what Goku and Vegeta would be if they didn't win the genetic lottery.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't see how they ruined the ending to his original story, his future was still shit everyone that died stayed dead all he did was kill Cell, the only that happened here was Future Bulma died but she wasn't invincible she was gonna die naturally whether it be natural or otherwise. In a series where other character have had undeserved power ups/boosts regularly I don't see why the line should be drawn for Future Trunks if anyone who deserves some BS power ups now and then it is him.

I don't know about that. Future Trunks' power up was on another level even for a saiyan. He just instantly learned a move we have no evidence or foreshadowing he should even know exists. He also gained a transformation out of nowhere that made him god tier just cause. He also learned the mafuba from a phone video in like 10 minutes. I don't think anyone got a more undeserved power up than that. Gohan's mystic power up at least had some exposition from the elder kai. Piccolo's absurd boost from namekian fusion at least has a specific set of requirements. Goku's SS3 transformation is plausible with the time he spent in other world, even if it makes him look like asshole for not using it against Vegeta. Vegeta stupid rage boost was pretty bad, but it still didn't make him any where near as strong. Trunks does whatever the hell he wants without having to explain or attempt to explain anything. It's complete fan service, and I can accept it all because at least it was cool fan service. IF anyone deserves a BS power it's Tien. he is basically what Goku and Vegeta would be if they didn't win the genetic lottery.

The form didn't make him God Tier, he only ever used it when Goku and Vegeta were not at maximum, the closest thing Ikari did was push Black away but only that was only for a bit, I do agree foreshadowing would have made the Spirit Sword better, instead of the Copy Vegeta arc Toei should have given us a three-episode mini prequel arc of Trunks up until the Black stuff. The Mafuba thing you are right forgot about that, yeah that was dumb. But as for deserving, Trunks has been through shit and hell he deserves anything and everything he is not a coddled shit like Vegeta (yes he was under the rule of Freeza but he still lived live like he wanted) who randomly turns up one day with Super Saiyan or then gets Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan for no reason other than to keep him relevant. Goten and Kid Trunks are able to go SS just cause no reason is ever given.

[Beyond]

I don't see how they ruined the ending to his original story, his future was still shit everyone that died stayed dead all he did was kill Cell, the only that happened here was Future Bulma died but she wasn't invincible she was gonna die naturally whether it be natural or otherwise. In a series where other character have had undeserved power ups/boosts regularly I don't see why the line should be drawn for Future Trunks if anyone who deserves some BS power ups now and then it is him.

I don't know about that. Future Trunks' power up was on another level even for a saiyan. He just instantly learned a move we have no evidence or foreshadowing he should even know exists. He also gained a transformation out of nowhere that made him god tier just cause. He also learned the mafuba from a phone video in like 10 minutes. I don't think anyone got a more undeserved power up than that. Gohan's mystic power up at least had some exposition from the elder kai. Piccolo's absurd boost from namekian fusion at least has a specific set of requirements. Goku's SS3 transformation is plausible with the time he spent in other world, even if it makes him look like asshole for not using it against Vegeta. Vegeta stupid rage boost was pretty bad, but it still didn't make him any where near as strong. Trunks does whatever the hell he wants without having to explain or attempt to explain anything. It's complete fan service, and I can accept it all because at least it was cool fan service. IF anyone deserves a BS power it's Tien. he is basically what Goku and Vegeta would be if they didn't win the genetic lottery.

The form didn't make him God Tier, he only ever used it when Goku and Vegeta were not at maximum, the closest thing Ikari did was push Black away but only that was only for a bit, I do agree foreshadowing would have made the Spirit Sword better, instead of the Copy Vegeta arc Toei should have given us a three-episode mini prequel arc of Trunks up until the Black stuff. The Mafuba thing you are right forgot about that, yeah that was dumb. But as for deserving, Trunks has been through shit and hell he deserves anything and everything he is not a coddled shit like Vegeta (yes he was under the rule of Freeza but he still lived live like he wanted) who randomly turns up one day with Super Saiyan or then gets Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan for no reason other than to keep him relevant. Goten and Kid Trunks are able to go SS just cause no reason is ever given.

Super's power scale has always been hard to read, at least for me, so maybe ikari isn't meant to be god tier I can concede that. I will admit Goku and Trunks where the only SSJ transformation that I think were completely satisfying and justified. The emotional trigger was definitely there. Gohan's SS2 was great as well. Everyone else didn't compare. Trunks should have never had to go through Goku black to begin with in my opinion.

[pacz360]

I don't see how they ruined the ending to his original story, his future was still shit everyone that died stayed dead all he did was kill Cell, the only that happened here was Future Bulma died but she wasn't invincible she was gonna die naturally whether it be natural or otherwise. In a series where other character have had undeserved power ups/boosts regularly I don't see why the line should be drawn for Future Trunks if anyone who deserves some BS power ups now and then it is him.

I don't know about that. Future Trunks' power up was on another level even for a saiyan. He just instantly learned a move we have no evidence or foreshadowing he should even know exists. He also gained a transformation out of nowhere that made him god tier just cause. He also learned the mafuba from a phone video in like 10 minutes. I don't think anyone got a more undeserved power up than that. Gohan's mystic power up at least had some exposition from the elder kai. Piccolo's absurd boost from namekian fusion at least has a specific set of requirements. Goku's SS3 transformation is plausible with the time he spent in other world, even if it makes him look like asshole for not using it against Vegeta. Vegeta stupid rage boost was pretty bad, but it still didn't make him any where near as strong. Trunks does whatever the hell he wants without having to explain or attempt to explain anything. It's complete fan service, and I can accept it all because at least it was cool fan service. IF anyone deserves a BS power it's Tien. he is basically what Goku and Vegeta would be if they didn't win the genetic lottery.

The form didn't make him God Tier, he only ever used it when Goku and Vegeta were not at maximum, the closest thing Ikari did was push Black away but only that was only for a bit, I do agree foreshadowing would have made the Spirit Sword better, instead of the Copy Vegeta arc Toei should have given us a three-episode mini prequel arc of Trunks up until the Black stuff. The Mafuba thing you are right forgot about that, yeah that was dumb. But as for deserving, Trunks has been through shit and hell he deserves anything and everything he is not a coddled shit like Vegeta (yes he was under the rule of Freeza but he still lived live like he wanted) who randomly turns up one day with Super Saiyan or then gets Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan for no reason other than to keep him relevant. Goten and Kid Trunks are able to go SS just cause no reason is ever given.

bullshit it damn well did put him god tier level considering he was able put black outta commission before the latter gained another zenkai don't know how you can say he wasn't ssjb level with ssj rage.

[Lord Beerus]

Just a quick heads up for UK fans.

We're moving the clocks forward by one hour at 1:00AM on 26/3/17. So from next week on, if you're going watch Super at the time it airs in Japan it will be from 1:00AM GMT.

[Noah]

Can we stop segregating people from the fan-base and labelling them as such and such? I shouldn't need to explain why that isn't cool. I expect more from this community.

This.

We are all fans of the same franchise, it's kinda lame to see the fanbase divided by "fanclubs" I think there's no problem in rooting for a certain character you like to shine, but rooting for another to fail badly just to see his fanclub sad is pitiful. But anyway, I'm anxious for today's episode

[sintzu]

Can we stop segregating people from the fan-base and labelling them as such and such ? I shouldn't need to explain why that isn't cool. I expect more from this community.

I don't think it's a big deal. I'm usually called a Vegeta fanboy and I'm OK with it. He's my favorite character and I'm always complaining about him not getting enough to do and when he does I go on about it until he gets something else.

The Vegeta fans, Gohan , and Tien fans are the saltiest fanbases in Dragonball haha.

Tien too ? I've never seen anyone complain about him, at least not as much as Gohan, Vegeta & even Piccolo's fans.

We are all fans of the same franchise, it's kinda lame to see the fanbase divided by "fanclubs".

Rooting for another to fail badly just to see his fanclub sad is pitiful.

I think having fanclubs within the franchise shows how strong each character is on their own.

I think it's funny to see the reactions. (just not when it happens to Vegeta and his fans. )

[kinisking]

Sintzu, Tien fans are really salty about krillin being stronger . I don't really see much salt from Piccolo fans overall ( besides for one here which I don't have to name).

[HeroR]

Super's power scale has always been hard to read, at least for me, so maybe ikari isn't meant to be god tier I can concede that. I will admit Goku and Trunks where the only SSJ transformation that I think were completely satisfying and justified. The emotional trigger was definitely there. Gohan's SS2 was great as well. Everyone else didn't compare. Trunks should have never had to go through Goku black to begin with in my opinion.

Just for classification, Trunks didn't have an emotional trigger in the manga. He was a Super Saiyan before Gohan died.

bullshit it damn well did put him god tier level considering he was able put black outta commission before the latter gained another zenkai don't know how you can say he wasn't ssjb level with ssj rage.

He put Black for a few minutes because it was a surprised attack and didn't even hurt Black in the long run. He even joked about how it may leave a bruise. Black also never said he got stronger from it and before then, Trunks did nothing against Black and he mocked him about it.