"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Riczi]

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What's written here?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

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What's written here?

17 is SSGSS level of strength... Haha just kidding nothing new at all it seems.

[sintzu]

Akira gives both toei and toyotoro an outline on how this is in arc and let them do it in their own way.

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.

If anything it's Toyo the one who is doing what he wants.

Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

[pacz360]

Akira gives both toei and toyotoro an outline on how this is in arc and let them do it in their own way.

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.

If anything it's Toyo the one who is doing what he wants.

Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

Vegeta was still a main character in the black arc and the only one that was able to beat black without the latter pulling out another zenkai.
Both toyo and toei have their own way of doing based on tori basic outline.

[pacz360]

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What's written here?

17 is SSGSS level of strength... Haha just kidding nothing new at all it seems.

Really nothing huh?

[Kagari]

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What's written here?

17 is SSGSS level of strength... Haha just kidding nothing new at all it seems.

Really nothing huh?

It's mostly just... hey remember these guys? They're coming back for this tournament.

[Lapislettuce]

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What's written here?

17 is SSGSS level of strength... Haha just kidding nothing new at all it seems.

Lol you're the devil !

[TheMikado]

Akira gives both toei and toyotoro an outline on how this is in arc and let them do it in their own way.

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.

If anything it's Toyo the one who is doing what he wants.

Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

We've had no comment from Toei one way or the other on how closely they follow the outline, why assume Toyotaro isnt telling the truth?

[perucho1990]

Akira gives both toei and toyotoro an outline on how this is in arc and let them do it in their own way.

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.

If anything it's Toyo the one who is doing what he wants.

Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

Then there is a small chance we get a genkidama moment in the manga but with Goku instead of Trunks? Which would kill Merged Zamasu, theN Gygias show up and destroys the timeline, and Goku finds the button to summon Zeno and it goes like the anime.

[kinisking]

Akira gives both toei and toyotoro an outline on how this is in arc and let them do it in their own way.

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.

If anything it's Toyo the one who is doing what he wants.

Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

That was before, this is now. Toriyama recommended he do his own thing. This ssg shit is definitely not from Toriyama.

[TheMikado]

Akira gives both toei and toyotoro an outline on how this is in arc and let them do it in their own way.

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.

If anything it's Toyo the one who is doing what he wants.

Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

That was before, this is now. Toriyama recommended he do his own thing. This ssg shit is definitely not from Toriyama.

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

[Kanassa]

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Especially considering Kaioken SUper Siayan was a Toei idea in DBZ... Then again, I'm pretty sure fusion was their idea as well and that made Toriyama invent the Potara version. Or am I remembering that backwards?

[kinisking]

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Especially considering Kaioken SUper Siayan was a Toei idea in DBZ... Then again, I'm pretty sure fusion was their idea as well and that made Toriyama invent the Potara version. Or am I remembering that backwards?

I think everyone knows kaioken SSB is a Toei idea. Toei and Toyo making their own ideas aren't inherently bad. I don't dislike the SSG stuff in the manga, but let's not pretend Toyo doesn't do his own thing too.

[Kanassa]

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Especially considering Kaioken SUper Siayan was a Toei idea in DBZ... Then again, I'm pretty sure fusion was their idea as well and that made Toriyama invent the Potara version. Or am I remembering that backwards?

I think everyone knows kaioken SSB is a Toei idea. Toei and Toyo making their own ideas aren't inherently bad. I don't dislike the SSG stuff in the manga, but let's not pretend Toyo doesn't do his own thing too.

I wasn't pretending, I was simply agreeing that Kioken SSB is almost certainly a TOEI thing

[kinisking]

Especially considering Kaioken SUper Siayan was a Toei idea in DBZ... Then again, I'm pretty sure fusion was their idea as well and that made Toriyama invent the Potara version. Or am I remembering that backwards?

I think everyone knows kaioken SSB is a Toei idea. Toei and Toyo making their own ideas aren't inherently bad. I don't dislike the SSG stuff in the manga, but let's not pretend Toyo doesn't do his own thing too.

I wasn't pretending, I was simply agreeing that Kioken SSB is almost certainly a TOEI thing

I wasnt speaking to you in particular when I was talking about pretending.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Yes both have completely different main characters. the anime has Trunks and Goku while the manga has Vegeta. I doubt the outline was so simple that they could each pick their main character.



Toyo said in his most recent interview that he doesn't change Toriyama's main plot points. the main character is a main plot point so if it's Vegeta in the manga then chances are he is in the outline as well. Another thing is that the manga is a side product so the chances of him having the power to make major changes like that are very slim if even that.

That was before, this is now. Toriyama recommended he do his own thing. This ssg shit is definitely not from Toriyama.

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Actually we still do not know, if Toei made that up then Toriyama would have said so instead he said Toei break the outline into scripts, expand things and move things around, he didn't mention anything about Toei making changes.

[Ki Breaker]

That was before, this is now. Toriyama recommended he do his own thing. This ssg shit is definitely not from Toriyama.

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Actually we still do not know, if Toei made that up then Toriyama would have said so instead he said Toei break the outline into scripts, expand things and move things around, he didn't mention anything about Toei making changes.

"Expand things, move things around"
That can pass for them making kaioken up.. it's clear they made that up, if toriyama wanted that we would get it in the manga..

[TheMikado]

That was before, this is now. Toriyama recommended he do his own thing. This ssg shit is definitely not from Toriyama.

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Actually we still do not know, if Toei made that up then Toriyama would have said so instead he said Toei break the outline into scripts, expand things and move things around, he didn't mention anything about Toei making changes.

The things you just listed are examples of making changes...
We have no similar statement from Toei saying they don't alter the outline too much.
The only evidence we have that Toyotaro can make changes is that Toriyama said he can, however Toyotaro himself has said he tries to stick closely to the outline.

Doesn't matter either way, its clear they both change things, but thinking Toyotaro who stated he tries not to change things, vs Toei which is not only notorious for it, but haven't stated something similar is well... Idk someone help me with the word for this?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The same can be said of Kaioken x SSB.

Actually we still do not know, if Toei made that up then Toriyama would have said so instead he said Toei break the outline into scripts, expand things and move things around, he didn't mention anything about Toei making changes.

"Expand things, move things around"
That can pass for them making kaioken up.. it's clear they made that up, if toriyama wanted that we would get it in the manga..

In what world does that equal making KK up?
Again how is it clear? Toriyama never designed a SSG Vegeta and we got that (horrible) thing in the Manga, Toyo said he was gonna be ahead of the anime soon how's that panned out? People gladly take his word but ignore when Toriyama flat out said what Toei do to his outline.
If things overlap then we can say for sure it was in the outline if it wasn't then we can't say with certainty simple as that.

[Araki]

Toyotaro said in advance how the Black arc would follow deliberately different ways. Note how he never said "it's gonna be closer to Toriyama's outline" instead, and that came after Toriyama said he should insert his own ideas. But if anyone wants to believe he's not doing that, more power for them i guess, lol. It's so clear he's making a lot of shit up.