If Dragonball Z came back on TV would Bruce Faulconer Music come back?

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:36 pm

As much as I also like the Levy score, you don't see it being mentioned anywhere near as much as Faulconer

It's not a fair comparison. His score was part of the show when it was at its most popular and the Ocean dub was largely forgotten and eventually replaced.

8000 Saiyan · Post by **8000 Saiyan** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:09 pm

Probably, since the Faulconer music is highly popular.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:23 pm

Thanos wrote:At the risk of beating a dead horse, it seems to me that apologists of the Faulconer OST put in on some kind of pedestal and think DBZ would've been a failure without it. It seems we're attributing the replacement score to DBZ's stateside success because you like the music. The score accurately depicting a legitimate (at least as legitimate as the original) interpretation of the series because you like the music. There really seems to be no reasoning beyond that. Any creative accolades one could think up are automatically attributed to this thing because you like it. You like it? Great. But putting it on some kind of pedestal is frankly silly. The series has gone gangbusters worldwide for decades, and Faulconer's glorified FL Studio creations represent a fraction of the series' exposure throughout the world.

The exact same thing could be said for Kikuchi fans though. They like the music to the point were they label any replacement as criminal, and then use the fact that it came first as a way to try and say that Dragonball wouldn't be Dragonball without it, even though the story was conceived beforehand with no music. I'm by no means saying the series wouldn't have been successful in the US had it stuck with Kikuchi. I know the franchise was huge in other territories beforehand. But it wasn't until it hit the US that the big revival of interest happened which lead to the hugely successful and still ongoing modern videogame franchise.

ABED wrote:
As much as I also like the Levy score, you don't see it being mentioned anywhere near as much as Faulconer
It's not a fair comparison. His score was part of the show when it was at its most popular and the Ocean dub was largely forgotten and eventually replaced.

The Saban dub remained on the air in reruns well into the mid 2000s though. Anyone following the series prior to the 2005 redub would have gotten a chance to see it at some point.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:24 pm

90sDBZ wrote:The exact same thing could be said for Kikuchi fans though. They like the music to the point where they label any replacement as criminal.

More often than not, that position has nothing to do with whether someone is personally a fan of Kikuchi or not. You have it backwards, they prefer Kikuchi or they don't like replacement scores. That's not to say that there aren't irrational Kikuchi fans, because I can think of a few that are or used to be active on this forum, but you're mischaracterizing 9/10 people who fall into the category of both Kikuchi fan and purist respectively.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:31 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
90sDBZ wrote:The exact same thing could be said for Kikuchi fans though. They like the music to the point where they label any replacement as criminal.
More often than not, that position has nothing to do with whether someone is personally a fan of Kikuchi or not. You have it backwards, they prefer Kikuchi or they don't like replacement scores. That's not to say that there aren't irrational Kikuchi fans, because I can think of a few that are or used to be active on this forum, but you're mischaracterizing 9/10 people who fall into the category of both Kikuchi fan and purist respectively.

I wouldn't call it a case of 9/10 people. More like 50/50, with several using "accuracy" as an excuse to defend their own preference. I've even seen some so called "purists" say they'd rather have Kikuchi in the newer material despite it being made with Sumitomo.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:53 pm

ABED wrote:
As much as I also like the Levy score, you don't see it being mentioned anywhere near as much as Faulconer
It's not a fair comparison. His score was part of the show when it was at its most popular and the Ocean dub was largely forgotten and eventually replaced.

The 1996-1998 dub was still on the air through re-runs after 1999 up to until 2003 from what I can remember.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:41 pm

The people talking about the show grew up on the Faulconer score, more than the Ocean dub which was more readily available than the Ocean dub. And you're talking about reruns which are never as popular as new episodes.

Gokuisasuperhero · Post by **Gokuisasuperhero** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:45 am

ABED wrote:
I don't think Kikuchi score would have got DBZ over... Bruce Faulconer is what got a lot of people into the series after he took over. Was the series a hit before he got for the 1st 2 season? YES! But Bruce took it to a NEW LEVEL when he took over in Season 3. Changes to anime is what help get over in 1st place people seem to forget that fact. Not every anime is going accuracy to the Japan Version things are lose in translation a lot of times. And some time changes work in a good way to get people more into the series. It does not hurt the show at all... Like Power Ranger for an Example that was basic on a Japan Show that change it for English and a lot of people love Power Ranger and now it got a live action movie...
I don't see it. Music is important, but it's not what got people into the show. It's the characters and the action. DBZ was already a success before season 3. And if the terrible voice acting wasn't offputting, I'd say there was nothing that was going to stop DBZ from being a success.

The voice actoring was great in DBZ also I will show this again... DBZ was already a success before season 3 true but not nearly as big until Bruce came into it...

"Faulconer's music is attributed to have had a favorable impact on the television ratings for Dragon Ball Z while the version aired on Cartoon Network. The third season of Dragon Ball Z, with the debut of Faulconer's music, ratings for the show soared, and Dragon Ball Z soon received ratings as the Nielsen Number One Rated Show in Children's Programming for Cable TV (awarded 3 times, from 2001-2003) for Cartoon Network programming. In 2003, the Nielsen ratings continued to soar for Dragon Ball Z as it became the Number One Rated Show for all of Cable TV for Children's Programming in six market demographics."

Source: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Bruce_Faulconer

Make sure to look at closely...

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:50 am

The Wiki isn't a credible source and you are using ad hoc ergo propter hoc logic. Just because two things are linked sequentially doesn't mean they are linked causally.

Gokuisasuperhero · Post by **Gokuisasuperhero** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:55 am

ABED wrote:The Wiki isn't a credible source and you are using ad hoc ergo propter hoc logic. Just because two things are linked sequentially doesn't mean they are linked causally.

It source bro... Bruce won 3 awards from 2001-2003 b/c of his music.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:57 am

Gokuisasuperhero wrote:
ABED wrote:The Wiki isn't a credible source and you are using ad hoc ergo propter hoc logic. Just because two things are linked sequentially doesn't mean they are linked causally.
It source bro... Bruce won 3 awards from 2001-2003 b/c of his music.

And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.

LuckyCat · Post by **LuckyCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:29 am

Just to be clear, Dragon Ball Z got awarded highest ratings according to that citation, not Bruce Faulconer. The first sentence, "Faulconer's music is attributed to have had a favorable impact on the television ratings for Dragon Ball Z while the version aired on Cartoon Network" lacks citation, which is problematic.

Bansho64 · Post by **Bansho64** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:43 am

ABED wrote: And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.

This. And if we're REALLY gonna go into the awards territory, Kikuchi's accolades and royalties outnumber Faulconer's by a huge margin. One of which includes a lifetime achievemnt award.

Gokuisasuperhero · Post by **Gokuisasuperhero** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:45 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
ABED wrote: And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.
This. And if we're REALLY gonna go into the awards territory, Kikuchi's accolades and royalties outnumber Faulconer's by a huge margin. One of which includes a lifetime achievemnt award.

Kikuchi's air in more markets then Faulconer's bro had Faulconer's air in the market Kikuchi's he could have early out done Kikuchi's bro...

Gokuisasuperhero · Post by **Gokuisasuperhero** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:46 pm

ABED wrote:
Gokuisasuperhero wrote:
ABED wrote:The Wiki isn't a credible source and you are using ad hoc ergo propter hoc logic. Just because two things are linked sequentially doesn't mean they are linked causally.
It source bro... Bruce won 3 awards from 2001-2003 b/c of his music.
And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.

It kind does bro...

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:54 pm

Gokuisasuperhero wrote:
ABED wrote:
Gokuisasuperhero wrote:
It source bro... Bruce won 3 awards from 2001-2003 b/c of his music.
And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.
It kind does bro...

It literally doesn't though. An award comes after the fact, it doesn't take into account hypotheticals like you seem to think it does.

Bansho64 · Post by **Bansho64** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:02 pm

Gokuisasuperhero wrote: Kikuchi's air in more markets then Faulconer's bro had Faulconer's air in the market Kikuchi's he could have early out done Kikuchi's bro...

You got any proof for that claim? Besides the fact that you think his music is good.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:38 pm

This discussion seems to be on the idea that the success of DBZ hinged on it's music, we simply don't know whether that is the case, as a kid I didn't give a crap about voices, music etc. Went to school no-one discussed the music at all.
If anything modern DB's success seems to say otherwise, Kai, BoG, Resurrection "F", Super all successful/currently doing well and they all have the Japanese score... People simply just want DB, Freeza was recast in Kai it seemed a lot of people were up in arms about it but didn't stop people watching and making Resurrection "F" a huge success. Also not to mention switched dubs with voices and music and DBZ still remained popular. What we can educationally deduce is that voices and music simply were not a big factor in DBZ's success.

LuckyCat · Post by **LuckyCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:33 pm

Gokuisasuperhero wrote:
ABED wrote:
Gokuisasuperhero wrote:
It source bro... Bruce won 3 awards from 2001-2003 b/c of his music.
And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.
It kind does bro...

Again, Bruce Falcouner didn't win an award for DBZ. Check out his awards listed on his own website. That wiki article you linked above says that Dragon Ball Z won Nielson awards for high viewership.

Gokuisasuperhero · Post by **Gokuisasuperhero** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:08 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:This discussion seems to be on the idea that the success of DBZ hinged on it's music, we simply don't know whether that is the case, as a kid I didn't give a crap about voices, music etc. Went to school no-one discussed the music at all.
If anything modern DB's success seems to say otherwise, Kai, BoG, Resurrection "F", Super all successful/currently doing well and they all have the Japanese score... People simply just want DB, Freeza was recast in Kai it seemed a lot of people were up in arms about it but didn't stop people watching and making Resurrection "F" a huge success. Also not to mention switched dubs with voices and music and DBZ still remained popular. What we can educationally deduce is that voices and music simply were not a big factor in DBZ's success.

DBZ did better then Kai also I think Linda Young is better then the current Frieza Voice...

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