If Dragonball Z came back on TV would Bruce Faulconer Music come back?

[Gokuisasuperhero]

This discussion seems to be on the idea that the success of DBZ hinged on it's music, we simply don't know whether that is the case, as a kid I didn't give a crap about voices, music etc. Went to school no-one discussed the music at all.
If anything modern DB's success seems to say otherwise, Kai, BoG, Resurrection "F", Super all successful/currently doing well and they all have the Japanese score... People simply just want DB, Freeza was recast in Kai it seemed a lot of people were up in arms about it but didn't stop people watching and making Resurrection "F" a huge success. Also not to mention switched dubs with voices and music and DBZ still remained popular. What we can educationally deduce is that voices and music simply were not a big factor in DBZ's success.

Currently the English Dub of Super which is only air 12 eps. and the music in Super stink badly only the SSG Transform music is the ONLY song that I though was good so far in Super. Bruce music is still better.

[Gokuisasuperhero]

And? That doesn't prove that DB became popular because of him. It just means he got an award.

It kind does bro...

It literally doesn't though. An award comes after the fact, it doesn't take into account hypotheticals like you seem to think it does.

Awards are giving to people b/c of how great there works was bro. So yes it kind of does...

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It kind does bro...

It literally doesn't though. An award comes after the fact, it doesn't take into account hypotheticals like you seem to think it does.

Awards are giving to people b/c of how great there works was bro. So yes it kind of does...

No, it means that a select group of people enjoyed his work. There is literally no logical chain you can draw where that implies causality.

[ABED]

Gokuisasuperhero has got to be trolling or he's using insane troll logic (Buffy reference, but the fact that it has troll in it is a nice bonus).

[Gokuisasuperhero]

Gokuisasuperhero has got to be trolling or he's using insane troll logic (Buffy reference, but the fact that it has troll in it is a nice bonus).

Not trolling at all stated facts. Bruce help DBZ get to where it is today in American.

[Gokuisasuperhero]

It literally doesn't though. An award comes after the fact, it doesn't take into account hypotheticals like you seem to think it does.

Awards are giving to people b/c of how great there works was bro. So yes it kind of does...

No, it means that a select group of people enjoyed his work. There is literally no logical chain you can draw where that implies causality.

So basically what you saying is when someone get an Oscar for movie that mean it basic on a "select group of people enjoyed" Wow just wow... I guess that mean all though great movies was just basic a "select group of people enjoyed" lol...

[Gaffer Tape]

So basically what you saying is when someone get an Oscar for movie that mean it basic on a "select group of people enjoyed" Wow just wow... I guess that mean all though great movies was just basic a "select group of people enjoyed" lol...

Actually... that's exactly what the Academy Awards are. Winners aren't selected by popular vote. They're selected by the voting members of the Academy.

But that's not Jinzoningen MULE's point, at least not as I understand it. Unless Faulconer won the "Bringing Success to Dragon Ball Z in America" award, the fact that Faulconer has won awards for his music does not in any way necessarily indicate that he's the reason or a reason that DBZ was successful. All it proves is that the people giving out the awards liked his work.

Hell, even if he did win the "Bringing Success to Dragon Ball Z in America" award, I'd still like to see some actual verifiable data to back that up. Because, hey, I just made that award up. I could buy a statue from a trophy shop, stick that label on it, and mail it to Faulconer myself. It doesn't mean the assertion is true.

[SaiyanGod117]

I would say Bruce's work was one of the main factors of DBZ's success in America.

[Kokonoe]

I suppose people cannot accept Faulconer's OST won over here and is adored by many. They will use excuses or generalizations for the fact that it's as popular as it is, but if the music was as bad as Kikuchi fans say, then people would've complained over here like they did with any other anime on a large enough scale. Yet there are many youtube videos with high view counts with tracks from the Faulconer OST with tons of comments and likes with people adoring it. With that amount of love and fans, it definitely helped, and I can vouch for myself that when I use to watch the Japanese Dragon Ball Z as a child alongside the dub, the music always felt lesser by comparison.

Really, it's time to just let it go and just accept the Faulconer's OST is popular over here in the USA. Yes, Dragon Ball is universal, but that doesn't mean everyone's gonna consider Kikuchi's music No. 1 when there are better options in terms of music out there for those who have that opinion like myself. You can like Kikuchi's music the most, just know that that is your opinion, just like how if anyone likes Faulconer's OST's the best is just an opinion. People need to stop getting worked up over this by now and just enjoy what they wanna enjoy.

[Kamiccolo9]

I suppose people cannot accept Faulconer's OST won over here and is adored by many. They will use excuses or generalizations for the fact that it's as popular as it is, but if the music was as bad as Kikuchi fans say, then people would've complained over here like they did with any other anime on a large enough scale. Yet there are many youtube videos with high view counts with tracks from the Faulconer OST with tons of comments and likes with people adoring it. With that amount of love and fans, it definitely helped, and I can vouch for myself that when I use to watch the Japanese Dragon Ball Z as a child alongside the dub, the music always felt lesser by comparison.

Really, it's time to just let it go and just accept the Faulconer's OST is popular over here in the USA. Yes, Dragon Ball is universal, but that doesn't mean everyone's gonna consider Kikuchi's music No. 1 when there are better options in terms of music out there for those who have that opinion like myself. You can like Kikuchi's music the most, just know that that is your opinion, just like how if anyone likes Faulconer's OST's the best is just an opinion. People need to stop getting worked up over this by now and just enjoy what they wanna enjoy.

Fans did complain over here. It wasn't until the kids who grew up watching the dub with the Faulconer music managed to get ahold of their parents' computers when the internet happened that any significant support for the music came along.

Regardless, nobody denies that there are people who like it. The current argument relates to some guy saying that it heavily contributed to the franchise's rise in popularity in the U.S., something that, aside from a suspect article on the DB Wiki, nobody has been able to substantiate.

[Bajosexto]

I would say Bruce's work was one of the main factors of DBZ's success in America.

I don't think that the Bruce Faulconer score was one of the main reason Dbz was successful in the US. Dbz was popular even in countries with bad dubs, countries that keep Japanese music or countries that had replacement scores. Z would have been popular with or without Faulconer in the US. Look at Latin America. Dbz is massively popular there and the LatAm kept the original score. Dbz is still aired at primetime in Mexico. That's how much dbz is loved in Latin America.

[Bansho64]

I suppose people cannot accept Faulconer's OST won over here and is adored by many. They will use excuses or generalizations for the fact that it's as popular as it is, but if the music was as bad as Kikuchi fans say, then people would've complained over here like they did with any other anime on a large enough scale. Yet there are many youtube videos with high view counts with tracks from the Faulconer OST with tons of comments and likes with people adoring it. With that amount of love and fans, it definitely helped, and I can vouch for myself that when I use to watch the Japanese Dragon Ball Z as a child alongside the dub, the music always felt lesser by comparison.

Really, it's time to just let it go and just accept the Faulconer's OST is popular over here in the USA. Yes, Dragon Ball is universal, but that doesn't mean everyone's gonna consider Kikuchi's music No. 1 when there are better options in terms of music out there for those who have that opinion like myself. You can like Kikuchi's music the most, just know that that is your opinion, just like how if anyone likes Faulconer's OST's the best is just an opinion. People need to stop getting worked up over this by now and just enjoy what they wanna enjoy.

You're creating an argument against one that never existed. Absolutely no-one here even proposed once that his score wasn't popular over here or that nonsense that people can't enjoy what they wanna enjoy.

Look at Latin America. Dbz is massively popular there and the LatAm kept the original score. Dbz is still aired at primetime in Mexico. That's how much dbz is loved in Latin America.

Yeah, always bring up this whenever someone wants to talk about countries who were popular with faithful dubs and kept the original score. DBZ is way more popular over in Latin America compared to the U.S and they didn't need Faulconer to accomplish that.

[Chuquita]

I think as the people-who-grew-up-with-Kai fans begin to outnumber those who grew up with the original Z dub there'll be less talk of Faulconer. (Kind of like how we had two Gokûs before Schemmel, but you don't see either Corlett or Kelamis talked about much anymore).

[Bansho64]

I think as the people-who-grew-up-with-Kai fans begin to outnumber those who grew up with the original Z dub there'll be less talk of Faulconer. (Kind of like how we had two Gokûs before Schemmel, but you don't see either Corlett or Kelamis talked about anymore).

Yeah, I never really heard of the Kai vs Z arguments until I got to the older kids. Most of the people I know don't really give craps about this stuff. One of my friends was watching the FUNi dub with the Kikuchi's score and didn't really care until I mentioned to him that people don't like it. A lot of my friends are similar to this.

[Kokonoe]

You're creating an argument against one that never existed. Absolutely no-one here even proposed once that his score wasn't popular over here or that nonsense that people can't enjoy what they wanna enjoy.

Honestly? I see the argument of people saying the reason it's popular is because it got the Toonami slot is similar to saying Bruce's OST is the main reason DBZ was successful. Both disingenuous statements. DBZ is popular over here cause DBZ is awesome, and Faulconer's OST was previously popular over here because it was awesome, not only because it had the Toonami slot.

Also, see below as this was one of the reasons.

You like it? Great. But putting it on some kind of pedestal is frankly silly. The series has gone gangbusters worldwide for decades, and Faulconer's glorified FL Studio creations represent a fraction of the series' exposure throughout the world.

What's wrong with putting the OST on a pedestal? What if people actually like it that much that they would? Just like how people put Kikuchi's on a pedestal. And I love the use of "glorified FL Studio creations", as if that was even necessary to explain the point.

Furthermore, I got into the series during the Toonami era, and at no point did I, in my 10-year-old mind think 'Oh boy, I wasn't really into this Dragon Ball Z thing, but now hearing this music, sign me up, please!' I find it hard to believe that children would give a lick about the background music or be more or less interested in the product based on that. I don't think kids would even notice if there was complete silence where music ought to be. Of course I'm sure someone will find a way to include themselves as an exception, and I don't doubt there are, but by and large, kids generally don't invest their enjoyment of cartoons based on the background music. It's a strange, albeit fascinating, debate based on something that was merely conjured based on licensing issues. It would be like growing up on the Budokai HD Collection and arguing the generic recycled rock tracks that were used in place of Yamamoto's score were somehow a better representation of the original. Odd.

Acting as if a 10 year old won't notice music quality or have taste in it enough for it to effect their view, then if someone does, they are an "exception". Mentioning how it's strange there is a debate here when it happened initially to "licensing issues", then proceeding to compare the Faulconer OST to something they consider "generic recycled rock tracks" and mocking the the idea of liking it over the original OST.

[Boo Machine]

I feel lt's DBZ that made Faulconer popular. Not the other way around. I see that people on the internet like his music and that's fine, I enjoy a few tracks myself.

But I know quite a few people who like Dragonball both in my personal life and my job, and more often then not, whenever I bring up what they thought of the music from the old dub, I usually get a response that's something like "I barely even remember the music." My best friend and brother who have been watching the show with me since we were little kids, both said they couldn't remember the music. I know my group of friends doesn't speak for the english speaking fan-base as a whole, but I'm just saying I don't know anyone in real life who payed much attention to the music.

I also just plain don't like the notion that it's the music that made DBZ popular here in America. I feel like that's saying no one would have liked it were it not for the "sick ass" guitar riffs. Like the show isn't good enough to hold peoples attention without it. Which isn't true. Since pretty much everywhere else in the world lives without it. Dragonball was popular before Faulconer and it continues to be without him. I have no doubt the music holds a special place in the hearts of the people who grew up with it. I am in that group of people myself. But to say the music is the only reason the series was popular over here just doesn't sit well with me.

[ABED]

Honestly? I see the argument of people saying the reason it's popular is because it got the Toonami slot is similar to saying Bruce's OST is the main reason DBZ was successful. Both disingenuous statements. DBZ is popular over here cause DBZ is awesome, and Faulconer's OST was previously popular over here because it was awesome, not only because it had the Toonami slot.

A good time slot is INCREDIBLY important. It's like the first rule of real estate is "location, location, location". Put a TV show on a channel few people watch or on a time that few people watch TV and it's a recipe for disaster. And who was saying that DBZ's success was JUST because of a good timeslot? No one.

People don't tune into TV shows for the music. Score's are one part of a whole.

[Bansho64]

Honestly? I see the argument of people saying the reason it's popular is because it got the Toonami slot is similar to saying Bruce's OST is the main reason DBZ was successful. Both disingenuous statements. DBZ is popular over here cause DBZ is awesome, and Faulconer's OST was previously popular over here because it was awesome, not only because it had the Toonami slot.

But the Toonami slot is a major factor. It literally aired at the perfect time for kids getting out of school and was a weekday thing. That's a major good factor for a TV show to be available. As awesome as DBZ is, that timeslot is a part of what helped it soar.

[ABED]

Honestly? I see the argument of people saying the reason it's popular is because it got the Toonami slot is similar to saying Bruce's OST is the main reason DBZ was successful. Both disingenuous statements. DBZ is popular over here cause DBZ is awesome, and Faulconer's OST was previously popular over here because it was awesome, not only because it had the Toonami slot.

But the Toonami slot is a major factor. It literally aired at the perfect time for kids getting out of school and was a weekday thing. That's a major for a TV show to be available. As awesome as DBZ is, that timeslot is a part of what helped it soar.

Exactly. If school kids get home around 2-3 PM, what do they think would happen to the ratings if the show was on when kids are in school?

[Kokonoe]

A good time slot is INCREDIBLY important. It's like the first rule of real estate is "location, location, location". Put a TV show on a channel few people watch or on a time that few people watch TV and it's a recipe for disaster. And who was saying that DBZ's success was JUST because of a good timeslot? No one.

People don't tune into TV shows for the music. Score's are one part of a whole.

But the Toonami slot is a major factor. It literally aired at the perfect time for kids getting out of school and was a weekday thing. That's a major good factor for a TV show to be available. As awesome as DBZ is, that timeslot is a part of what helped it soar.

I didn't deny that, it DOES help, I'm just saying that if you show a ton of people music that is bad, that's just gonna be more people listening to bad music and disliking it. If it's good (yes, subjective I know) then people will praise it as it has happened with Faulconer's OST. In other words, what I was referring to is that it's not merely because it got the Toonami slot that it is liked. If it sucked to a majority of people over here, then it wouldn't be liked by people over here (on this scale).

And people don't initially watch a show for the music, but if it's executed really well that it resonates with people and makes them feel immersed, then it adds so much to the show and makes it even better.