Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

Kuririn is at the same level, though a bit weaker, as the base Saiyans, as I speculated last week.

[ZombieVito]

Gohan still doesn't have his Ultimate form.

Hopefully, hopefully he doesn't. I bring it up because of the previous debate people had on whether he was Ultimate Gohan during the Zen Exhibition or not.

If they don't show Gohan achieving this in the next few episodes before the Tournament then he must have had it at the Exhibition. I would really hope that's not the case though.

Both the intro and a preview from a magazine about the arc implied he unlocks it again. He never transforms into it so he doesn't have it yet.

I'm beginning to think that the base Saiyans are actually way weaker than Piccolo now. Lets see how next week goes.

[TheGreatSaiyaman]

Considering the Zen Exhibition and all things considered, Gohan is still pretty strong without his Ultimate power, he's at least like Buu Saga levels, but damn that fall from grace, since the start of Super, to make Goku even more special, was not fun

[Bullza]

I don't know why I even bother trying but let's give it some thought.

The preview showed Base Goku fighting a Skinny Buu. That Skinny Buu surely has to be stronger than the Fat Buu, could actually be the equal of the Evil Grey Buu which was stronger than Fat Buu back then. They showed a whole few seconds but maybe Base Goku is around this level.

Base Goku was shown to be on par with Base Gohan so he too would be around Buu's level.

Krillin is weaker than Android 18. He beat Base Gohan but by catching him off guard, I think he did say that too. It's the only way to make sense of it anyway.

Base Goku = Base Gohan = Skinny Buu > Bergamo > Lavender > Fat Buu > Drugged Up Basil > Full Power Basil > Namek Saga Frieza > Basil > Krillin

Maybe that could work.

Edit: It's probably too much of an assumption to say it's the equivalent of Grey Buu so I'll take that bit out.

[Alee9977]

Yeahhhh that was all complete bullshit.

Krillin hurt Gohan, hell he even beat him though he did say he was off guard. Are we really supposed to believe that that's supposed to be Ultimate Gohan? Even though Krillin said in this episode that he's weaker than #18?

Then not only does he give Base Goku a run for his money....for some bizarre reason he went Super Saiyan...then he went Super Saiyan Blue...then there was a Kamehameha clash to which Krillin was actually able to push it back slightly.

We're never going to make sense of this shows power scale ever are we?

Goku went SSB just like saying "This will be the kind of enemies we will face in the tournament, are you ready for it?"
And he was surprised of Krillin putting a lot of effort, but he didn't need a lot to beat him.
But what we can get out of this is:
Goku SSB
Goku SSJ
Goku
Krillin/Gohan

[SansrivaaL]

I cant make sense out of this.... and when I even try... my balls starts to itch.

[Marlowe89]

Kuririn is at the same level, though a bit weaker, as the base Saiyans, as I speculated last week.

Funnily enough that's not an impossibility now. One could argue he's at least pushing Buu arc levels at this point.

Power levels aside, I can't really say I'm too bothered by it to be honest. From a story perspective it's nice to see the humans becoming relevant.

[The gr]

I don't know why I even bother trying but let's give it some thought.

The preview showed Base Goku fighting a Skinny Buu. That Skinny Buu surely has to be stronger than the Fat Buu, could actually be the equal of the Evil Grey Buu which was stronger than Fat Buu back then. They showed a whole few seconds but maybe Base Goku is around this level.

Base Goku was shown to be on par with Base Gohan so he too would be around Buu's level.

Krillin is weaker than Android 18. He beat Base Gohan but by catching him off guard, I think he did say that too. It's the only way to make sense of it anyway.

Base Goku = Base Gohan = Skinny Buu > Bergamo > Lavender > Fat Buu > Drugged Up Basil > Full Power Basil > Namek Saga Frieza > Basil > Krillin

Maybe that could work.

Edit: It's probably too much of an assumption to say it's the equivalent of Grey Buu so I'll take that bit out.

Well bergamo power is a mystery so is better off waiting for his actual performance in the tournament, and a surpressed Basil is not Around namek Saga frieza since he deflect some ki attacks from Buu,so Kuririn should be ssj1 cell Saga tier or around super perfect cell

[Doctor.]

I don't know why I even bother trying but let's give it some thought.

The preview showed Base Goku fighting a Skinny Buu. That Skinny Buu surely has to be stronger than the Fat Buu, could actually be the equal of the Evil Grey Buu which was stronger than Fat Buu back then. They showed a whole few seconds but maybe Base Goku is around this level.

Base Goku was shown to be on par with Base Gohan so he too would be around Buu's level.

Krillin is weaker than Android 18. He beat Base Gohan but by catching him off guard, I think he did say that too. It's the only way to make sense of it anyway.

Base Goku = Base Gohan = Skinny Buu > Bergamo > Lavender > Fat Buu > Drugged Up Basil > Full Power Basil > Namek Saga Frieza > Basil > Krillin

Maybe that could work.

Edit: It's probably too much of an assumption to say it's the equivalent of Grey Buu so I'll take that bit out.

You're jumping the gun, we don't know if Goku transforms against Boo.

[SansrivaaL]

I don't know why I even bother trying but let's give it some thought.

The preview showed Base Goku fighting a Skinny Buu. That Skinny Buu surely has to be stronger than the Fat Buu, could actually be the equal of the Evil Grey Buu which was stronger than Fat Buu back then. They showed a whole few seconds but maybe Base Goku is around this level.

Base Goku was shown to be on par with Base Gohan so he too would be around Buu's level.

Krillin is weaker than Android 18. He beat Base Gohan but by catching him off guard, I think he did say that too. It's the only way to make sense of it anyway.

Base Goku = Base Gohan = Skinny Buu > Bergamo > Lavender > Fat Buu > Drugged Up Basil > Full Power Basil > Namek Saga Frieza > Basil > Krillin

Maybe that could work.

Edit: It's probably too much of an assumption to say it's the equivalent of Grey Buu so I'll take that bit out.

You're jumping the gun, we don't know if Goku transforms against Boo.

If he doesnt... it'll be more wacked up.
SSJB Goku>>Krillin>>>>> Slim Boo=base Goku=Gohan
But sure, let the good times fly

[The gr]

So maybe the image training is real, krillin is relative to a surpressed Basil but weaker than full powered Basil and drugged

[Beyond]

Krillin is still weaker than his wife or no? Or is 18 just super OP now.

[Bullza]

It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was massively stronger than Android 18. Android 18 is stronger than Krillin said in both Resurrection F and this episode.

Yet Krillin is able to match up to Base Gohan quite well.

Again it makes you wonder if Piccolo was nerfed because there's a few things that really point toward it.

[ZombieVito]

It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was massively stronger than Android 18. Android 18 is stronger than Krillin said in both Resurrection F and this episode.

Yet Krillin is able to match up to Base Gohan quite well.

Again it makes you wonder if Piccolo was nerfed because there's a few things that really point toward it.

Not necessarily. Piccolo going to fight Tagoma weighted after the latter almost killed Gohan tells me he is stronger. There's also the fact that Ginyu called Gohan's power puny.

We really can't take Freeza's word as 100% fact since all of the Z warriors were not fighting all out against the army when he compared them.

[Doctor.]

It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was massively stronger than Android 18. Android 18 is stronger than Krillin said in both Resurrection F and this episode.

Yet Krillin is able to match up to Base Gohan quite well.

Again it makes you wonder if Piccolo was nerfed because there's a few things that really point toward it.

Base Gohan wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Both of them did the exact same against Tagoma: jackshit.

[dbzfan7]

I don't know why I even bother trying but let's give it some thought.

The preview showed Base Goku fighting a Skinny Buu. That Skinny Buu surely has to be stronger than the Fat Buu, could actually be the equal of the Evil Grey Buu which was stronger than Fat Buu back then. They showed a whole few seconds but maybe Base Goku is around this level.

Base Goku was shown to be on par with Base Gohan so he too would be around Buu's level.

Krillin is weaker than Android 18. He beat Base Gohan but by catching him off guard, I think he did say that too. It's the only way to make sense of it anyway.

Base Goku = Base Gohan = Skinny Buu > Bergamo > Lavender > Fat Buu > Drugged Up Basil > Full Power Basil > Namek Saga Frieza > Basil > Krillin

Maybe that could work.

Edit: It's probably too much of an assumption to say it's the equivalent of Grey Buu so I'll take that bit out.

You're jumping the gun, we don't know if Goku transforms against Boo.

If he doesnt... it'll be more wacked up.
SSJB Goku>>Krillin>>>>> Slim Boo=base Goku=Gohan
But sure, let the good times fly

Good luck buying this shit if Goku does not transform next week XD.

[Lord Beerus]

You're jumping the gun, we don't know if Goku transforms against Boo.

If he doesnt... it'll be more wacked up.
SSJB Goku>>Krillin>>>>> Slim Boo=base Goku=Gohan
But sure, let the good times fly

Good luck buying this shit if Goku does not transform next week XD.

I envision Goku using SSJB against everyone on this team. Even Roshi. I can't wait to see how that turns out.

[Alee9977]

It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was massively stronger than Android 18. Android 18 is stronger than Krillin said in both Resurrection F and this episode.

Yet Krillin is able to match up to Base Gohan quite well.

Again it makes you wonder if Piccolo was nerfed because there's a few things that really point toward it.

Keep in mind Gohan has been understimating Krillin since last week.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

I'm not even sure if Krillin is even comparable to the Base Saiyans. It didn't look like he was on par power wise, but he managed to hang in there due to tactics and skill.

Base Goku=Ultimate Gohan>>>>>>Krillin.

The Fat Boo that Pure Boo spat out was the same power wise as the Fat Boo that fought Vegeta since all of the Kaioshin power went back to him after Evil Boo absorbed him.

It seems that training for less than a day brought up Boo to Base Goku's level, whom is on par with Ultimate Gohan. If that's the case, then that means that Fat Boo surpassed the previous most powerful Boo(Pure Boo) with less than a day of training.

[Noah]

How Krillin managed to launch a Kamehameha that was EVEN with SSJB Goku for f***'s sake?! How could 18 was even able to SURVIVE after contacting his almighty godly energy?! This all was f****** insane!