Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

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how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

Around the same ballpark as the base Saiyans for Kuririn and slightly stronger than he was in the Boo arc (so, still weaker than Namek Freeza, probably) for Goku.

You people should stop taking obviously retconned nonsense like Goku absorbing the Super Saiyan God power as still relevant. There's no internal consistency in this show and we should stop pretending there is, the characters are as strong as they need to be.

The fuck? Krillin is nowhere near Base adult saiyans. He is 100k under the best of fans expectations
and Base Goku is clearly stronger than namek freeza at this point, i would put him at the perfect cell level at least

In fact krillin should be 20k if were are being realistic

Base goku stronger than perfect cell the dude was matching base vegeta who stomped ssj3 gotenks.

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BoG was such a waste of time when all that really needed to be done was put Krillin on some weights and have him square off against Beerus. Tell him it's a tournament match and there ya go

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Gohan who have been hyped by daddy,champa and even vegeta for having the most potential hell he can even sense god ki
Super powerscaling is a goddamned pain but acting like there been some recton in the series for how strong base goku and vegeta along with there ssj forms is bull shit without proof.

The only one who did this in DBS was Vegeta, as a nostalgia one liner. All the rest in DBZ is worthless since at that point in time he was being hyped as being Gokus successor and portrayed as such
Champa made no such comment, he just said he is quite resistant, Goku said they will be fine with Gohan and Buu

At no point was it stated that Gohan can feel God ki, unless I'm forgetting a scene, where did you get this from?
Also even blinded gohan should have taken what he learned from this fight with levando to destroy krillin, yet he was treated like a lil bitch for the sake of spectacle

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Yet why didn't bulma get reduced to mist by beerus,why didn't Mr Satan get the cell jr treatment from cell or buu why didn't chi chi get reduced to gore by being slammed outta of the house by goku and why almost any fictional character survive hits from beings who could slaughter them in moment's notice?

I can understand controlling ones ki thats not what I'm challenging here:
Why would Goku need to turn SSJ if he can tank Krillin in his base form just fine? like he is 1000x greater than Krillin in base form alone
Why would Goku be shown struggling during the SSB kamahameha clash?

Bad, lazy awful writing for the sake of spectacle

Krillin was going for a ring out if anything goku wanted to give his friend a confidence boost
Goku was not even remotely struggling in the beam exchange krillin was shaking himself to death while goku shown no worse for wear at all.

[Doctor.]

The fuck? Krillin is nowhere near Base adult saiyans. He is 100k under the best of fans expectations
and Base Goku is clearly stronger than namek freeza at this point, i would put him at the perfect cell level at least

In fact krillin should be 20k if were are being realistic

Super isn't realistic; you should stop pretending like it's going to follow your expectations.

Kuririn managed well against Gohan and Goku, so he's comparable to them (regardless of however strong you believe base Goku and base Gohan are).

Krillin was no where near comparable to gohan he won by a ring out and gohan was off guard after the solar flare x100 krillin knew this and said this shit

If Kuririn wasn't comparable to Gohan, then this would have happened the moment he tried to attack:

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It didn't.

Super powerscaling is a goddamned pain but acting like there been some recton in the series for how strong base goku and vegeta along with there ssj forms is bull shit without proof.

The proof is common sense. Now lay off the aggressive tone.

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BoG was such a waste of time when all that really needed to be done was put Krillin on some weights and have him square off against Beerus. Tell him it's a tournament match and there ya go

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Kek, he should just go train in the RoSaT for one year and he will surpass Zeno

Super isn't realistic; you should stop pretending like it's going to follow your expectations.
Kuririn managed well against Gohan and Goku, so he's comparable to them (regardless of however strong you believe base Goku and base Gohan are

You cant have your cake and eat it too. You are complaining about base goku/vegeta god powers in base yet championing the idea tha krilling is anywhere close to the base saiyans?

This is just filler that will be rettconned, it was here for spectacle after all , unless you believe Krillin is SSB tier

[Doctor.]

You cant have your cake and eat it too. You are complaining about base goku/vegeta god powers in base yet championing the idea tha krilling is anywhere close to the base saiyans?

I don't see what that has to do with anything. The fact that he's close to Boo arc base Saiyan level is much more "realistic", as you put it, than believing he's at God tier strength.

This is just filler that will be rettconned, it was here for spectacle after all , unless you believe Krillin is SSB tier

We don't know if it's filler. It could have come straight out of Toriyama's script for all we know.

If it's retconned, then fine. Like I said, the characters are as strong as they need to be, there's no internal consistency in this show and pretending it exists is dumb. Until then, though, Kuririn is at the level he was shown to be this episode.

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Around the same ballpark as the base Saiyans for Kuririn and slightly stronger than he was in the Boo arc (so, still weaker than Namek Freeza, probably) for Goku.

You people should stop taking obviously retconned nonsense like Goku absorbing the Super Saiyan God power as still relevant. There's no internal consistency in this show and we should stop pretending there is, the characters are as strong as they need to be.

The fuck? Krillin is nowhere near Base adult saiyans. He is 100k under the best of fans expectations
and Base Goku is clearly stronger than namek freeza at this point, i would put him at the perfect cell level at least

In fact krillin should be 20k if were are being realistic

Base goku stronger than perfect cell the dude was matching base vegeta who stomped ssj3 gotenks.

didn't anyone know That​ Goku and Vegeta were suppressed them selves in u6,because piccolo is not god tier and cabba is not even with Vegeta.anyways ,here krillin power,he is around 69,000,000 meanwhile base Gohan is around 80,000,000, because krillin was doing ok against a base gohan, through he is still weak than namek frieza, Android and the kids

[pacz360]

Gohan who have been hyped by daddy,champa and even vegeta for having the most potential hell he can even sense god ki
Super powerscaling is a goddamned pain but acting like there been some recton in the series for how strong base goku and vegeta along with there ssj forms is bull shit without proof.

The only one who did this in DBS was Vegeta, as a nostalgia one liner. All the rest in DBZ is worthless since at that point in time he was being hyped as being Gokus successor and portrayed as such
Champa made no such comment, he just said he is quite resistant, Goku said they will be fine with Gohan and Buu

At no point was it stated that Gohan can feel God ki, unless I'm forgetting a scene, where did you get this from?
Also even blinded gohan should have taken what he learned from this fight with levando to destroy krillin, yet he was treated like a lil bitch for the sake of spectacle

Champa mentioned that gohan was pretty tough survive that pitch from goku he wouldn't give two shits if gohan was only around his buu saga self
Vegeta mention this u6 arc and goku mentions this at the start of this arc and even said gohan was really strong in his fight.

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The fuck? Krillin is nowhere near Base adult saiyans. He is 100k under the best of fans expectations
and Base Goku is clearly stronger than namek freeza at this point, i would put him at the perfect cell level at least

In fact krillin should be 20k if were are being realistic

Base goku stronger than perfect cell the dude was matching base vegeta who stomped ssj3 gotenks.

didn't anyone know That​ Goku and Vegeta were suppressed them selves in u6,because piccolo is not god tier and cabba is not even with Vegeta.anyways ,here krillin power,he is around 69,000,000 meanwhile base Gohan is around 80,000,000, because krillin was doing ok against a base gohan, through he is still weak than namek frieza, Android and the kids

Base vegeta straight up said that he and cabba were equal in base.

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Krillin was going for a ring out if anything goku wanted to give his friend a confidence boost
Goku was not even remotely struggling in the beam exchange krillin was shaking himself to death while goku shown no worse for wear at all.

What I'm criticizing here is why would goku need to go SSJ in order to tank the attack when he could just powerup his base form to turn his attack into dust
Goku should have been shown carelessly pumping a kamehameha if that was the intent, instead they made goku face go serious and pump more power into it when Krillin started overtaking

Have they done all of this episode in base form, it would have been much better

Base goku stronger than perfect cell the dude was matching base vegeta who stomped ssj3 gotenks.

I know, i just made a fair assumption that fits in nicely with all the ups and down in DBS. I have like a minimum expectation for them to be perfect cell

[The gr]

Base goku stronger than perfect cell the dude was matching base vegeta who stomped ssj3 gotenks.

didn't anyone know That​ Goku and Vegeta were suppressed them selves in u6,because piccolo is not god tier and cabba is not even with Vegeta.anyways ,here krillin power,he is around 69,000,000 meanwhile base Gohan is around 80,000,000, because krillin was doing ok against a base gohan, through he is still weak than namek frieza, Android and the kids

Base vegeta straight up said that he and cabba were equal in base.

But vegeta just tank a hit from a ssj1 cabba ,I really don't believe if there equal, there were really suppressing their base form until hit, plus it explains why goku was doing a good job against hit in his base form

[pacz360]

The fuck? Krillin is nowhere near Base adult saiyans. He is 100k under the best of fans expectations
and Base Goku is clearly stronger than namek freeza at this point, i would put him at the perfect cell level at least

In fact krillin should be 20k if were are being realistic

Super isn't realistic; you should stop pretending like it's going to follow your expectations.

Kuririn managed well against Gohan and Goku, so he's comparable to them (regardless of however strong you believe base Goku and base Gohan are).

Krillin was no where near comparable to gohan he won by a ring out and gohan was off guard after the solar flare x100 krillin knew this and said this shit

If Kuririn wasn't comparable to Gohan, then this would have happened the moment he tried to attack:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It didn't.

Super powerscaling is a goddamned pain but acting like there been some recton in the series for how strong base goku and vegeta along with there ssj forms is bull shit without proof.

The proof is common sense. Now lay off the aggressive tone.

You know made it a big deal on what happens when your guard is down we saw this with rof and krillin mini arc and goku at the start of the series. Hell we saw this black and Mai in the last saga.

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You know made it a big deal on what happens when your guard is down we saw this with rof and krillin mini arc and goku at the start of the series. Hell we saw this black and Mai in the last saga.

Gohan didn't have his guard down. He was fighting Kuririn, he was with his guard up. Kuririn took advantage that his senses were jumbled, that's all. And again, if they weren't comparable in power, then Kuririn wouldn't even have been able to move Gohan an inch.

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didn't anyone know That​ Goku and Vegeta were suppressed them selves in u6,because piccolo is not god tier and cabba is not even with Vegeta.anyways ,here krillin power,he is around 69,000,000 meanwhile base Gohan is around 80,000,000, because krillin was doing ok against a base gohan, through he is still weak than namek frieza, Android and the kids

Base vegeta straight up said that he and cabba were equal in base.

But vegeta just tank a hit from a ssj1 cabba ,I really don't believe if there equal, there were really suppressing their base form until hit, plus it explains why goku was doing a good job against hit in his base form

Cabba just got the transformation while vegeta had that shit and many more variations for years and nothing implied vegeta was surpassing himself against him.

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You know made it a big deal on what happens when your guard is down we saw this with rof and krillin mini arc and goku at the start of the series. Hell we saw this black and Mai in the last saga.

Gohan didn't have his guard down. He was fighting Kuririn, he was with his guard up. Kuririn took advantage that his senses were jumbled, that's all. And again, if they weren't comparable in power, then Kuririn wouldn't even have been able to move Gohan an inch.

So is piccolo during namek was comparable to final form freeza went he kicked the guy hard enough to the ocean
Was trunks comparable to fat buu when he kicked him when he was fighting vegeta?
I mean if that was the case then kid trunks = buu

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I don't see what that has to do with anything. The fact that he's close to Boo arc base Saiyan level is much more "realistic", as you put it, than believing he's at God tier strength.

Because its completely nut job theory for krillin to be anywhere close to final form freeza from namek its just as ridiculous as saying he is close to SSB in power
You are taking this one filler and proof Krillin is as strong as the base saiyans, yet discarding the other episodes that have them as strong
Whats happened here was for spectacle and chances are it will get retconned

We don't know if it's filler. It could have come straight out of Toriyama's script for all we know.
If it's retconned, then fine. Like I said, the characters are as strong as they need to be, there's no internal consistency in this show and pretending it exists is dumb. Until then, though, Kuririn is at the level he was shown to be this episode.

It screams filler, i agree with bolded and take it like this most of the time. When its justified and explained. When not is most likely than not filler, and i dislike it because its lazy

[Doctor.]

So is piccolo during namek was comparable to final form freeza went he kicked the guy hard enough to the ocean
Was trunks comparable to fat buu when he kicked him when he was fighting vegeta?
I mean if that was the case then kid trunks = buu

No, because Freeza was about to kill Goku and wasn't worried that he'd get attacked from behind.
Fat Boo was about to kill Vegeta and wasn't worried he'd get attacked from behind.

You see the similarity here? No, the cases aren't comparable at all. Kuririn vs Gohan was a 1v1, in which Kuririn was at top strength and where Gohan should have (and did, in fact) had his guard up. The fact that it was a 1v1, Gohan had his guard up and Kuririn STILL managed to land blows on Gohan proves that they're comparable. You're just damage controlling for some reason I can't understand, nobody's saying Kuririn is stronger than Gohan.

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There is a reason they took power levels out of the series. They don't work if the writers themselves give 0 fucks, and why should they care about such story limiting convoluted shit. They are clearly writing dragon ball to appease kids and casuals, not hard core power level nerds. So the the logic is just person a is stronger than person b. They don't care by how much. It's lazy but it allows for much cool stuff between more characters.

The sooner people stop caring so much about power levels the better. They suck for the most part anyway.

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So is piccolo during namek was comparable to final form freeza went he kicked the guy hard enough to the ocean
Was trunks comparable to fat buu when he kicked him when he was fighting vegeta?
I mean if that was the case then kid trunks = buu

No, because Freeza was about to kill Goku and wasn't worried that he'd get attacked from behind.
Fat Boo was about to kill Vegeta and wasn't worried he'd get attacked from behind.

You see the similarity here? No, the cases aren't comparable at all. Kuririn vs Gohan was a 1v1, in which Kuririn was at top strength and where Gohan should have (and did, in fact) had his guard up. The fact that it was a 1v1, Gohan had his guard up and Kuririn STILL managed to land blows on Gohan proves that they're comparable. You're just damage controlling for some reason I can't understand, nobody's saying Kuririn is stronger than Gohan.

Isn't this kind of impossible if 18 is still stronger than him?