Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Cabba]

Same filler that was refrenced in the black saga by goku

uh? I said episode 84 was filler, not sure what you thought

[The gr]

didn't anyone know That​ Goku and Vegeta were suppressed them selves in u6,because piccolo is not god tier and cabba is not even with Vegeta.anyways ,here krillin power,he is around 69,000,000 meanwhile base Gohan is around 80,000,000, because krillin was doing ok against a base gohan, through he is still weak than namek frieza, Android and the kids

Krillin is not stronger than namek freeza, krillin is reacom tier if we are being generous
This episode was just lazy filler, the screwed up trying to get a point across

Your blind by the hate ,I just said krillin is weaker Than final form frieza, it just makes sense if krillin is around 69,000,000 meanwhile Gohan in 80,000,000, because he showed some impressives feats, just deal with it, krillin is around that power, and there no such thing as filler in DBS, since potafeu was mentioned in the Goku black Saga

Even a 10x boost could still leave base Goku weaker than #18 though, depending on how much you consider the difference between her and namek Freeza is.

lol do you seriously consider Goku base had no progress since namek saga? At the very least he is perfect cell tier depending of the episode
He went toe to toe against Bergamo the strongest of all brothers in his base form alone

Even Goten and Trunks were fighting somewhat evenly against 18 in their base form at the tournament

yeah but we really don't know Bergamo full power, and he ain't around perfect cell tier if he is strongest of his brother, and base goku could be surpressing himself against krillin, Because​ a base Vegeta one shotted Gotenks ssj3 and tagoma who was comparable to perfect cell also got one shotted,so krillin is not even close to full powered base goku and Vegeta

[Doctor.]

Even a 10x boost could still leave base Goku weaker than #18 though, depending on how much you consider the difference between her and namek Freeza is.

lol do you seriously consider Goku base had no progress since namek saga? At the very least he is perfect cell tier depending of the episode
He went toe to toe against Bergamo the strongest of all brothers in his base form alone

Even Goten and Trunks were fighting somewhat evenly against 18 in their base form at the tournament

No, not "no progress". Between 3 million and 120 million there's a lot of progress he can make.

[Cabba]

Your blind by the hate ,I just said krillin is weaker Than final form frieza, it just makes sense if krillin is around 69,000,000 meanwhile Gohan in 80,000,000, because he showed some impressives feats, just deal with it, krillin is around that power, and there no such thing as filler in DBS, since potafeu was mentioned in the Goku black Saga

I dont hate krillin, i hate nonsense. Nothing indicated he is anywhere near that level, he is reacom tier in the best of scenarios and 100k if we are being extremely generous
I meant Krllin is nowhere near Final Form Freeza at 50% without the muscle power boost. Krillin is nowhere near Goku Kaiokenx10 namek saga
What i mean by filler, is that all of this was just for spectacle and holds no weight or substance will be quickly disposed off/retconned
When did i say potafeu was filler? if anything Potafeu makes today's episode even more ridiculous

yeah but we really don't know Bergamo full power, and he ain't around perfect cell tier if he is strongest of his brother, and base goku could be surpressing himself against krillin, Because​ a base Vegeta one shotted Gotenks ssj3 and tagoma who was comparable to perfect cell also got one shotted,so krillin is not even close to full powered base goku and Vegeta

Which is why i said at the bare minimum perfect cell tier (to accommodate some episodes), the weakest brother was already SS2 tier post drugs
Bergamo without his gimmick is just as powerful if not much more, he intended to kill Goku and said not bad after he fought evenly

I agree with you on the rest, its most likely goku suppressing, what I'm criticizing is how awfully it was executed. Goku turning SSJ to tank his attacks was beyond ridiculous and obvious it was there for spectacle

No, not "no progress". Between 3 million and 120 million there's a lot of progress he can make.

Like how Goku was so far ahead of Piccolo in the namek saga (before ssj) piccolo claimed at one point his power was measurable out of this world that both he and freeza were monsters
Yet during the 3 years of training Piccolo is able to surpass Android 20 who is stronger than freeza. Goku at the very least was on par with Piccolo by this point if not stronger in his base form

In DBS he already showed much more power. I dont see how you can selectively take this episode as valid and put the others were base Goku/Vegeta are Vegeto tier at least as null

[Doctor.]

Yet during the 3 years of training Piccolo is able to surpass Android 20 who is stronger than freeza. Goku at the very least was on par with Piccolo by this point if not stronger in his base form

You won't find one person who shares this opinion because it's ridiculous.

[Bullza]

Then Gohan overestimated him. You're also forgetting Piccolo had his weights on.

That'd be a staggering underestimation. If Gohan was as strong as he was in the Buu saga and so weaker than Frieza on Namek and Tagoma was probably up there with Cell's level then how is Gohan going to get it so wrong that he thinks they're equal?

Piccolo had no weights on when he fought Gohan in the Universe 6 saga and they were about even there. So without the weights then yeah he should be weaker.

If the weights we're gonna make that much of a difference he could have taken two seconds to take them off.

[Doctor.]

That'd be a staggering underestimation. If Gohan was as strong as he was in the Buu saga and so weaker than Frieza on Namek and Tagoma was probably up there with Cell's level then how is Gohan going to get it so wrong that he thinks they're equal?

If Tagoma is up there with Cell, then thinking he's around his own level as a Super Saiyan makes perfect sense.

Piccolo had no weights on when he fought Gohan in the Universe 6 saga and they were about even there. So without the weights then yeah he should be weaker.

Yes, and just a few episodes later, Piccolo was portrayed as above base Goku and Vegeta, who needed Super Saiyan to take on Frost.

[Cabba]

Yet during the 3 years of training Piccolo is able to surpass Android 20 who is stronger than freeza. Goku at the very least was on par with Piccolo by this point if not stronger in his base form

You won't find one person who shares this opinion because it's ridiculous.

So you are saying during the 3 years of training with Piccolo, Goku had significantly smaller growth to the point piccolo surpassed him?
Who is being ridiculous now?

[Doctor.]

Yet during the 3 years of training Piccolo is able to surpass Android 20 who is stronger than freeza. Goku at the very least was on par with Piccolo by this point if not stronger in his base form

You won't find one person who shares this opinion because it's ridiculous.

So you are saying during the 3 years of training with Piccolo, Goku had significantly smaller growth to the point piccolo surpassed him?
Who is being ridiculous now?

Yes, Piccolo surpassed his base form despite still being beneath the Super Saiyans, that's what the story clearly implies. I'm sorry if that doesn't work well with your numbers or whatever.

[The gr]

Which is why i said at the bare minimum perfect cell tier (to accommodate some episodes), the weakest brother was already SS2 tier post drugs
Bergamo without his gimmick is just as powerful if not much more, he intended to kill Goku and said not bad after he fought evenly

I agree with you on the rest, its most likely goku suppressing, what I'm criticizing is how awfully it was executed. Goku turning SSJ to tank his attacks was beyond ridiculous and obvious it was there for spectacle

still Bergamo wasn't using his full power,I'm just gonna wait for his performance, but we could say a surpressed Bergamo is stronger than a non drugged Basil and lavenda, and keep in mind these two are around ssj2 tier and I agree,goku suppressing himself was portrayed poorly,I would have preferred if he was in his Base form only and he use ssb to one shot krillin,I'm hoping the manga goes to this route

[HybridSaiyan]

Base Goku should be 100x stronger than Krillin...
What the hell happened?

[Bullza]

If Tagoma is up there with Cell, then thinking he's around his own level as a Super Saiyan makes perfect sense.

He said that based on a suppressed Tagoma though. Once Ginyu took over and brought out his full power he was much stronger still and Gohan beat him in just a couple blows as a Super Saiyan so it'd be odd if Gohan thought his Super Saiyan was on par with a suppressed Tagoma too.

Yes, and just a few episodes later, Piccolo was portrayed as above base Goku and Vegeta, who needed Super Saiyan to take on Frost.

But a few episodes beforehand Base Goku and Vegeta were portrayed as being hundreds of times stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan.

Even if that Base Goku and Vegeta just happened to be similar to how they were in Z then Gohan doesn't have to be of a similar level because of the whole Ultimate power up thing. Base Gohan could have been stronger than Base Goku and Vegeta.

[Doctor.]

He said that based on a suppressed Tagoma though. Once Ginyu took over and brought out his full power he was much stronger still and Gohan beat him in just a couple blows as a Super Saiyan so it'd be odd if Gohan thought his Super Saiyan was on par with a suppressed Tagoma too.

Gohan tends to underestimate himself a lot, so I don't see how it's surprising.

But a few episodes beforehand Base Goku and Vegeta were portrayed as being hundreds of times stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan.

Even if that Base Goku and Vegeta just happened to be similar to how they were in Z then Gohan doesn't have to be of a similar level because of the whole Ultimate power up thing. Base Gohan could have been stronger than Base Goku and Vegeta.

Then you're agreeing with me that their power was retconned and/or they're as strong as they need to be, I don't see what your argument is.

[WittyUsername]

I've got to be honest here, I think it's past time that we stop trying to make sense of power levels in Dragon Ball. It's clear that the writers couldn't care less about that stuff. Frankly, the only thing that power levels have really done for the series is sparking a bunch of heated debates in the fandom.

[TheMikado]

Base Goku should be 100x stronger than Krillin...
What the hell happened?

This

I honestly can't even follow the thread anymore.
There's some kind of argument that Krillin isn't in the same tier as Gohan or Goku at any level, base included, yet the other two held back enough to where Krillin could catch them off guard. To which I ask why even power up at all, and somehow it's to test Krillins resolve, yet he's consistently fought enemies way more powerful to himself which he stood no chance against in the saiyan arc, namek arc, and against Cell, and only now is his resolve being called into question.

Idk, I don't understand what it's trying to prove other than Krillin is ready and able to participate in the tournament. I just feel like there are better ways to test Krillin than putting him up against a SSB beam struggle.

[TheMathemagician]

Just wondering. How was Kuririn comparable to Base Gohan? In a frontal assault, Gohan easily blocked all of his hits, as well as the fact that we know Base Gohan was holding back as he believed Kuririn to be weak-sauce and fought him to prove that point. Kuririn blinding him and catching Gohan off guard isn't any different than Piccolo being able to kick away Final Form Freeza.

[TheMikado]

I've got to be honest here, I think it's past time that we stop trying to make sense of power levels in Dragon Ball. It's clear that the writers couldn't care less about that stuff. Frankly, the only thing that power levels have really done for the series is sparking a bunch of heated debates in the fandom.

That's modern Dragonball for you... remember when the most we argued about was which Buu was strongest and how strong FSSJ was? Sigh those were the days

[ZombieVito]

Then Gohan overestimated him. You're also forgetting Piccolo had his weights on.

That'd be a staggering underestimation. If Gohan was as strong as he was in the Buu saga and so weaker than Frieza on Namek and Tagoma was probably up there with Cell's level then how is Gohan going to get it so wrong that he thinks they're equal?

Piccolo had no weights on when he fought Gohan in the Universe 6 saga and they were about even there. So without the weights then yeah he should be weaker.

If the weights we're gonna make that much of a difference he could have taken two seconds to take them off.

Well duh. They have been training for 8 months. Gohan got a big boost and reached Piccolo.

[pacz360]

Base Goku should be 100x stronger than Krillin...
What the hell happened?

IDK how could Mr Satan survive hits from buu,beerus,and cell and not die.
It's start's with a h and ends with a b.

[TheMikado]

Just wondering. How was Kuririn comparable to Base Gohan? In a frontal assault, Gohan easily blocked all of his hits, as well as the fact that we know Base Gohan was holding back as he believed Kuririn to be weak-sauce and fought him to prove that point. Kuririn blinding him and catching Gohan off guard isn't any different than Piccolo being able to kick away Final Form Freeza.

If there's a substantial gap, you don't even have to block even the surprise attacks as proven via Cell vs Krillin. It doesn't even make sense to hold back to the point of blocking if the guys Krillin fights are going g to be tanking his strongest attacks.