Two Broly movies, from FUNi, coming to Blu-Ray.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:38 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
godofchaos wrote:1- Video Quality, shitty masters they DVNRed and used for the DVDs after downconverting, or perhaps the masters before they DVNRed them
VP&T said they DVNR'd the footage as it was being telecined. That means there is no master without the automated DVNR, sad as it may seem.

What will also be interesting to see is if the frame "blendings" appear on the BluRay movies (by that I mean the Nappa toothpaste example and Vegeta scenes).

Reason why I mention that is someone here emailed the guy in the remastering video and his response was it was a fault in the downsampling process. (I think his quote was "your looking at a bad down coversion" ?).

Well, if its true, then NOTHING like that will be on the BluRay disc. If it is... then he is full of shit and those errors are most likely his own fault (seeing how he was over the remastering process, was he not?)

Its just fun to be able to point the liars out of a pack (although, FUNI's getting to be a pretty big pack lately, huh?)

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:43 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
You can have a audience/market for a product and have no such product on the market
You think so? I don't know, maybe its just how I think... Well, I guess we'll see what happens with this.

Um, just to clarify, Tanooki is 100% correct. There is definitely a market for a "cure for cancer" ... but there is no product yet (i.e. - there is demand, but no relevant supply)

And if they didn't think they could make money off of it, they wouldn't bother yet. Either that, or this set is just a test to gauge how well the BluRay discs might sell right now. (most likely, its a bit of both)

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:00 am

That isn't what Tanooki is arguing.

He is saying since there is no audience for such a product until the product exists.

Using his logic that means theres no market for a cure for cancer, because it doesn't exist, and that once a cure exists, the market will 'exist'.

The market EXISTS, there just isn't a product to sell.

I'm saying there isn't a market for DBZ on Blu-Ray.

My argument is saying that you make a product BECAUSE there is a market for it.

Tanooki is saying you must make a product THEN a market 'appears'.

That's like saying there isn't a market for a cure for aids because there isn't a cure for aids.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:44 am

ect5150 wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:
godofchaos wrote:1- Video Quality, shitty masters they DVNRed and used for the DVDs after downconverting, or perhaps the masters before they DVNRed them
VP&T said they DVNR'd the footage as it was being telecined. That means there is no master without the automated DVNR, sad as it may seem.
What will also be interesting to see is if the frame "blendings" appear on the BluRay movies (by that I mean the Nappa toothpaste example and Vegeta scenes).

Reason why I mention that is someone here emailed the guy in the remastering video and his response was it was a fault in the downsampling process. (I think his quote was "your looking at a bad down coversion" ?).

Well, if its true, then NOTHING like that will be on the BluRay disc. If it is... then he is full of shit and those errors are most likely his own fault (seeing how he was over the remastering process, was he not?)

Its just fun to be able to point the liars out of a pack (although, FUNI's getting to be a pretty big pack lately, huh?)

I'd say Broly puking.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:15 am

Yes, Blu-ray is a very niche market right now, but that's hasn't stopped any of the major distribution companies from putting out a plethora of titles already. Browse the High Def video section at your local Best Buy. From Godfellas to Madagascar, there's a little bit of everything already in the format. That caters to a much bigger audience than mere hobbyists.

The market for DBZ in HD does exist, it just isn't significant enough to make FUNi an assload of money right now. There WILL be people who will buy it blindly because they believe it's "better," and/or because it's Broly. It may be slow, but people are going to want to fill their collections, so it doesn't necessarily stop at being an owner of the SD version.

While I agree that any kind of foray into HD home video is a risk this early on, there's already an increasing trend in the format, and seeing as FUNi's been "looking into it" for quite a while now, I guess they figure having one foot in the HD realm is better than none. And with the "hotcakes"-esque success of the Season sets, I'm sure they can afford to test the waters.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:44 pm

There WILL be people who will buy it blindly because they believe it's "better," and/or because it's Broly.

Me personally, I think the only reason Iam getting this is cause I have a PS3 and I'am a DragonBall fan. It probley could have been any DragonBall release on Blu-Ray and I would have gotten it. I don't think I'am buying this thinking this is going to be much better then the DVD version, I just want to analyze it and stuff, see how it is with my own eyes. But yea, I can totally see people buying it just because its Broly or cause they think its better then DVD.

While I agree that any kind of foray into HD home video is a risk this early on... I guess they figure having one foot in the HD realm is better than none. And with the "hotcakes"-esque success of the Season sets, I'm sure they can afford to test the waters.

I agree.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:24 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Me personally, I think the only reason Iam getting this is cause I have a PS3 and I'am a DragonBall fan. It probley could have been any DragonBall release on Blu-Ray and I would have gotten it. I don't think I'am buying this thinking this is going to be much better then the DVD version, I just want to analyze it and stuff, see how it is with my own eyes. But yea, I can totally see people buying it just because its Broly or cause they think its better then DVD.

Well, naturally I'd expect the more "in-depth" fans like the ones here on the boards to do that, but they are few and far in-between. I was speaking more in terms of the bigger audience. Personally, I'd love to see an HD DBZ release, but if and only if it was done right... which is something we probably won't see from FUNi with these, or any time [soon] from Toei.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:01 am

godofchaos wrote:He is saying since there is no audience for such a product until the product exists.

I guess I read too fast?

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:41 pm

Here's my interpretation of how Movie 8 would look on Blu Ray, FUNi style
http://www.vg-projects.com/castor/pics/broly-bluray.jpg

It's a big image since it's in 1920 x 1080 bluray resolution.

I think it's 100% accurate.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:22 am

Castor Troy wrote:Here's my interpretation of how Movie 8 would look on Blu Ray, FUNi style
http://www.vg-projects.com/castor/pics/broly-bluray.jpg
It's a big image since it's in 1920 x 1080 bluray resolution.
I think it's 100% accurate.

I disagree, but I do think it's funny how Broly looks The Joker.

- Bilis

Joshua · Post by **Joshua** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:30 pm

Here's the official announcement of the announcement:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/807/807832p1.html

Judging from the trailer available at IGN, it looks like it's going to be a cropped widescreen release. I guess this is no big surprise, but beyond all the other problems with FUNimation's recent "remastered" releases, I care too much about not losing any video to buy this upcoming Blu-ray release. If the movies were available in their original full screen aspect ratios, I'd definitely consider purchasing them, but the same thing holds true for their Season box sets.

I really don't understand why they can't just do something right with DBZ. Not one single release from them has been genuinely good.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:56 pm

Joshua wrote:If the movies were available in their original full screen aspect ratios, I'd definitely consider purchasing them, but the same thing holds true for their Season box sets.

The movies are available in a 4:3 releases, standard DVD of course. Except for DB movie 1 (Curse of the Blood Rubies) only being available in 4:3 edited, every movie has been released by FUNi in an uncut 4:3 format. I really don't know what rock you've been laying under to forget this.

Joshua wrote:I really don't understand why they can't just do something right with DBZ. Not one single release from them has been genuinely good.

Their original DB releases are fairly decent and very good compared to the DBZ treatment, as are their GT releases (outside the fact the GT dub sucks).

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:56 pm

Joshua wrote:Here's the official announcement of the announcement:

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/807/807832p1.html

Judging from the trailer available at IGN, it looks like it's going to be a cropped widescreen release. I guess this is no big surprise, but beyond all the other problems with FUNimation's recent "remastered" releases, I care too much about not losing any video to buy this upcoming Blu-ray release. If the movies were available in their original full screen aspect ratios, I'd definitely consider purchasing them, but the same thing holds true for their Season box sets.

I really don't understand why they can't just do something right with DBZ. Not one single release from them has been genuinely good.

With the movies, Widescreen isn't necessarily a bad thing because, when they were first aired, it was in theaters, which is widescreen, meaning the movies were made to be viewed either way. The show was never meant to be widescreen.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:09 pm

Duo wrote:With the movies, Widescreen isn't necessarily a bad thing because, when they were first aired, it was in theaters, which is widescreen, meaning the movies were made to be viewed either way. The show was never meant to be widescreen.

That's not what he's saying. The movies are CROPPED widescreen, meaning that not only have they ostensibly gone through the same "remastering" process as before, but they are in 4:3, just as the previous releases—completely nullifying the previous "Making Of" footage.

FUNimation is so backwards it scares me.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:11 pm

By the way, according to that official announcment, FUNi used the "original 35mm film prints". I really find this hard to believe. Toei is not gonna fork over their original of original film prints to them for this release, for all we know FUNi merely got some 3rd gen. prints that'll look no better than a Chinese-to-English fansub. More false advertising and while the animation may look "pretty and modern" to the very naive, the detail will be raped into another diemension with any hope of having the colors as they properly appear in the Dragonboxes. No doubt in my mind, the white hot chili peppers are coming to Blu-Ray.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:14 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:By the way, according to that official announcment, FUNi used the "original 35mm film prints". I really find this hard to believe.

Haha, ya think? It's the same marketing gimmick that they used for the Season sets, and they will keep using it as long as it makes them money.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:16 pm

Acid_Reign wrote:That's not what he's saying. The movies are CROPPED widescreen, meaning that not only have they ostensibly gone through the same "remastering" process as before, but they are in 4:3, just as the previous releases—completely nullifying the previous "Making Of" footage.

FUNimation is so backwards it scares me.

Huh? The movies were animated in 4:3, then cropped down to Widescreen for every single release Japan's ever had, but FUNi got the uncropped, full-screen masters for some reason. If they release WS-versions of the movies, that's no big deal at all, because the movies were originally framed for widescreen, unlike the TV-series, so nothing important is lost... except a few animation-glitches. Though, it would still look like crap with all the "remastering" though.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:21 pm

Joshua wrote:I really don't understand why they can't just do something right with DBZ. Not one single release from them has been genuinely good.

Conan the SSJ wrote:Their original DB releases are fairly decent and very good compared to the DBZ treatment, as are their GT releases (outside the fact the GT dub sucks).

He did specifically say DBZ release, so mentioning of Dragon Ball and GT isn't really necessary.

Conan the SSJ wrote:original 35mm film prints

Oh crap! Not only is that blatantly lying but completely fucking wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dragon Box the Movies used the original 16mm prints. If there was a 35mm print wouldn't Toei use that instead!? As far as I know, 35mm prints don't even exist.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:11 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:Huh? The movies were animated in 4:3, then cropped down to Widescreen for every single release Japan's ever had, but FUNi got the uncropped, full-screen masters for some reason. If they release WS-versions of the movies, that's no big deal at all, because the movies were originally framed for widescreen, unlike the TV-series, so nothing important is lost... except a few animation-glitches. Though, it would still look like crap with all the "remastering" though.

Well, technically speaking FUNi still has crops because there is more on the sides in the Dragon Box than in theirs, but yeah, you're right... I guess I just got confused from all the Franko propoganda -_-

But that just makes it all the more stupid. They advertised the fuck out of this widescreen thing, even used movie footage to show you the "gain," then don't even include it on the actual High Def title, when most fans would have found it acceptable. The only other guess I can make is that the IGN footage is a filler promo and isn't actually what the end-product looks like, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Joshua · Post by **Joshua** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:32 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:The movies are available in a 4:3 releases, standard DVD of course. Except for DB movie 1 (Curse of the Blood Rubies) only being available in 4:3 edited, every movie has been released by FUNi in an uncut 4:3 format. I really don't know what rock you've been laying under to forget this.

I know the movies are available in their original full screen aspect ratios, but they look like crap. I don't buy things that look like crap.

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