"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[LightBing]

The only thing that can be salvaged from the Genki-Dama scene is Goku and Vegeta giving their power to Trunks; it happened before. Even then, that shouldn't be enough to defeat Absolute Zamasu bar special circumstances.

[Kanassa]

They do but people are gonna get angry about it just because it's changed from the anime. So yeah, we're either gonna get Vegetto Red or same variant on Gogeta.

You're vastly overestimating the hate this would get for such a small reason, you'd more likely find a shit ton of hate if Trunks's scene in the climax isn't included

I fully expect a Gogeta inclusion to get a level of hate comparable to Toyotaro not copying the manga and stacking KK on top of Blue.

So, not that much hate?

[Doctor.]

The only thing that can be salvaged from the Genki-Dama scene is Goku and Vegeta giving their power to Trunks; it happened before. Even then, that shouldn't be enough to defeat Absolute Zamasu bar special circumstances.

But that happened in the anime too.

[ekrolo2]

You're vastly overestimating the hate this would get for such a small reason, you'd more likely find a shit ton of hate if Trunks's scene in the climax isn't included

I fully expect a Gogeta inclusion to get a level of hate comparable to Toyotaro not copying the manga and stacking KK on top of Blue.

So, not that much hate?

It got lots of hate when it happened as far as I recall it. Maybe it wouldn't have if Blue wasn't weakened but it was kind of the first big shit storm concerning the manga.

[LightBing]

The only thing that can be salvaged from the Genki-Dama scene is Goku and Vegeta giving their power to Trunks; it happened before. Even then, that shouldn't be enough to defeat Absolute Zamasu bar special circumstances.

But that happened in the anime too.

Yeah, it was the only plausible action from the whole ordeal.

[OLKv3]

You're vastly overestimating the hate this would get for such a small reason, you'd more likely find a shit ton of hate if Trunks's scene in the climax isn't included

I fully expect a Gogeta inclusion to get a level of hate comparable to Toyotaro not copying the manga and stacking KK on top of Blue.

So, not that much hate?

I'm sorry, but what? It still gets a ton of hate to this day

[Grimlock]

For all we know and for all the possibilites, Toyotaro can also fuse Trunks and Goku or coming up with Vegenks, the chances are smaller than Vegetto and even smaller than Gogeta, but that's it. As I said once, bringing Vegetto and not doing anything different with him would be a waste, and it'll get my hate for doing the obvious and not adding anything worth and/or cool. Look at how many choices Toyotaro has here, he better picks one that will actually bring something different, something that will make Dragon Ball to leave the comfort zone for a change even if it doesn't cause an impact at the end, like in the anime.

[Zeru14]

For all we know and for all the possibilites, Toyotaro can also fuse Trunks and Goku or coming up with Vegenks, the chances are smaller than Vegetto and even smaller than Gogeta, but that's it. As I said once, bringing Vegetto and not doing anything different with him would be a waste, and it'll get my hate for doing the obvious and not adding anything worth and/or cool. Look at how many choices Toyotaro has here, he better picks one that will actually bring something different, something that will make Dragon Ball to leave the comfort zone for a change even if it doesn't cause an impact at the end, like in the anime.

Well Toyotaro can do what some of us was predicting when the arc first started, is that Goku or Shin goes to New Namek and resurrect everyone with their dragonballs. Another possibility is that instead of erasing the whole universe Zen-Oh just destroys the Earth, and the resurrected Earth populace relocates to the Sacred World of the Kai, since no one lives there anymore in that timeline.

[Totamo]

Toyo likes to give the fans what they want, not the fans who want stronger writing who probably shouldn't be reading or watching Super, but the fans who wnat nods to the old series.



He will give us Gogeta unless it was in Toriyama's outline for Vegito and if so we will get super saiyan god vegito.

[mfwlegend3]

He will give us Gogeta

There's literally no reason why Toyotaro WOULDN'T use Vegetto. There are two Kaioshin with potara earrings with Goku and Vegeta right now. It's retaliation against Merged Zamasu -- who used the potara earring fusion too.

[emperior]

Toyo likes to give the fans what they want, not the fans who want stronger writing who probably shouldn't be reading or watching Super, but the fans who wnat nods to the old series.



He will give us Gogeta unless it was in Toriyama's outline for Vegito and if so we will get super saiyan god vegito.

Why would he use Gogeta, who was a movie-only thing? Vegetto exists just because Toriyama wanted to try something different from the anime team and so he came up with the potara fusion. If Goku and Vegeta have to fuse, they will use the potara considering Kaioshin is there. Why would they waste their time and pride (Vegeta) on the dance while they could just use the earrings. Vegetto is 99% appearing in the manga and I say this because I believe the 1 hour thing was from Toriyama, I don't think Toei had the freedom to change a so important thing.
What Toyotaro could do to differentiate his manga from the anime is to make Vegetto go SSG instead of Blue.

[Totamo]

Toyo likes to give the fans what they want, not the fans who want stronger writing who probably shouldn't be reading or watching Super, but the fans who wnat nods to the old series.



He will give us Gogeta unless it was in Toriyama's outline for Vegito and if so we will get super saiyan god vegito.

Why would he use Gogeta, who was a movie-only thing? Vegetto exists just because Toriyama wanted to try something different from the anime team and so he came up with the potara fusion. If Goku and Vegeta have to fuse, they will use the potara considering Kaioshin is there. Why would they waste their time and pride (Vegeta) on the dance while they could just use the earrings. Vegetto is 99% appearing in the manga and I say this because I believe the 1 hour thing was from Toriyama, I don't think Toei had the freedom to change a so important thing.
What Toyotaro could do to differentiate his manga from the anime is to make Vegetto go SSG instead of Blue.

Trunks learning the mafuba from a video phone and bulma being in the future are pretty big changes.

anyway, it's because he is a fanfic writer and it's one he would totally do.

[Totamo]

He will give us Gogeta

There's literally no reason why Toyotaro WOULDN'T use Vegetto. There are two Kaioshin with potara earrings with Goku and Vegeta right now. It's retaliation against Merged Zamasu -- who used the potara earring fusion too.

There was no reason to bring the god forms back yet he did that or give super saiyan blue a weakness yet he did that.


Reason ain't a limiter here.

[mfwlegend3]

There was no reason to bring the god forms back yet he did that or give super saiyan blue a weakness yet he did that.

You said before that Toyo likes to give fans what they want, when has he? SSG was mostly brought back because he wanted to bring it back, not to please anyone else. Granted, he might have had the after thought of "the fans would like this", but I digress.

[Kanassa]

Trunks learning the mafuba from a video phone and bulma being in the future are pretty big changes.

Not really, in terms of story the person who uses the mafuuba on Zamasu is interchangeable, and Bulma's presence doesn't affect any of the plot points much.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gogeta is many times weaker than Vegetto, so why would I want to see an inferior fusion instead of the most powerful Super Saiyan Blue against a mad all-powerful immortal god?

[Kanassa]

Gogeta is many times weaker than Vegetto, so why would I want to see an inferior fusion instead of the most powerful Super Saiyan Blue against a mad all-powerful immortal god?

I'd be interested in seeing Gogeta, as long as the potara's are for some reason destroyed or something. But, one problem is, in the manga continuity wouldn't the Fusion Dance be completely useless in God form? Like, it would last no where near the amount of time Anime Vegito lasted?

[mfwlegend3]

Gogeta is many times weaker than Vegetto, so why would I want to see an inferior fusion instead of the most powerful Super Saiyan Blue against a mad all-powerful immortal god?

This.

Old Kaioshin even outright says that the potara fusion is better than the fusion dance. Plus, I doubt Merged Zamasu would sit by and allow Goku and Vegeta to preform the dance. Trunks holding Zamasu back would be bullshit as well, and he's not falling for Taiyoken anymore.

[TheMikado]

Gogeta is many times weaker than Vegetto, so why would I want to see an inferior fusion instead of the most powerful Super Saiyan Blue against a mad all-powerful immortal god?

This.

Old Kaioshin even outright says that the potara fusion is better than the fusion dance. Plus, I doubt Merged Zamasu would sit by and allow Goku and Vegeta to preform the dance. Trunks holding Zamasu back would be bullshit as well, and he's not falling for Taiyoken anymore.

When did Old Kai say this?

[TheMikado]

Gogeta is many times weaker than Vegetto, so why would I want to see an inferior fusion instead of the most powerful Super Saiyan Blue against a mad all-powerful immortal god?

I'd be interested in seeing Gogeta, as long as the potara's are for some reason destroyed or something. But, one problem is, in the manga continuity wouldn't the Fusion Dance be completely useless in God form? Like, it would last no where near the amount of time Anime Vegito lasted?

Apparently they would have the same exact problem. We have no idea how long one would last versus the other now that the mechanisms on how Potara earrings have been changed.