What do you like/dislike about the Season box sets?

[jjgp1112]

If you own the Season sets, you should hide your head in a bag when in public. They're a disgrace to the human race, they sucking f*ck and f*cking suck, and I'd rather eat the rotten asshole of a roadkill skunk. They're a piece of dog shit that has been rotting for 3 days in the sun, and are equivalent to the slimy scum from the depths of the sewers. So, in short, you must really, really, really, HATE Dragonball Z to even look at these 'sets'.



Just kidding. I'm going to buy these sets soon- what I just said was a sort of parody on the people who don't think you're a 'true fan' if you own them. Screw those punks.

I hate people like you. Look - I've enjoyed the show since I was 7 years old, I know as much about it as anyone here. Why can't I be a true fan just because I like the sets?

You missed the small text in his post at the bottom.

I knew there was something up with the post.

[theoriginalbilis]

Says the person who just freaked out 2 posts ago.

Anyway, I say let people buy what they want. Anything's better than bootlegs, in my opinion.

- Bilis

[Duo]

We don't want to import the Japanese sets either - hence, being angry that these ones are crap comparatively. You settled, many of us won't. We have higher standards. Some people like Skim Milk, and people like me can't drink anything less than 2%. That's life.

It has nothing to do with standards. I enjoyed it for what it is.

Uh, yes it is. You enjoyed it because you don't really care if the show has 20% of every frame cut off or the frames bleed into each other. Other people do. Different standards.

stand·ard /ˈstændərd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[stan-derd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. something considered by an authority or by general consent as a basis of comparison; an approved model.
2. an object that is regarded as the usual or most common size or form of its kind: We stock the deluxe models as well as the standards.
3. a rule or principle that is used as a basis for judgment: They tried to establish standards for a new philosophical approach.
4. an average or normal requirement, quality, quantity, level, grade, etc.: His work this week hasn't been up to his usual standard.
5. standards, those morals, ethics, habits, etc., established by authority, custom, or an individual as acceptable: He tried to live up to his father's standards.
6. a grade of beef immediately below good.
7. the authorized exemplar of a unit of weight or measure.
8. a certain commodity in or by which a basic monetary unit is stated. Compare gold standard, silver standard, bimetallism, monometallism.
9. the legally established content of full-weight coins.
10. the prescribed degree of fineness for gold or silver.
11. British. a class or grade in elementary schools.
12. a musical piece of sufficiently enduring popularity to be made part of a permanent repertoire, esp. a popular song.
13. a flag indicating the presence of a sovereign or public official.
14. a flag, emblematic figure, or other object raised on a pole to indicate the rallying point of an army, fleet, etc.
15. Military.
a. any of various military or naval flags.
b. the colors of a mounted unit.
c. (initial capital letter) a U.S. Navy radar-guided surface-to-air missile with a range of 10–30 miles (16–48 km).
16. Heraldry. a long, tapering flag or ensign, as of a monarch or a nation.
17. something that stands or is placed upright.
18. a long candlestick or candelabrum used in a church.
19. an upright support or supporting part.
20. Armor. a standing collar of mail.
21. Horticulture. a plant trained or grafted to have a single, erect, treelike stem.
22. Botany. a distinct petal, larger than the rest, of certain flowers; a vexillum.
–adjective
23. serving as a basis of weight, measure, value, comparison, or judgment.
24. of recognized excellence or established authority: a standard reference on medieval history.
25. usual, common, or customary: Chairs are standard furniture in American households.
26. manual; not electric or automatic: standard transmission.
27. conforming in pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, etc., to the usage of most educated native speakers, esp. those having prestige, and widely considered acceptable or correct: Standard American English; standard pronunciation. Compare nonstandard (def. 2).
28. authorized or approved: The program was broadcast on the standard broadcast band.

These sets aren't even up to half the standard as the Japanese release. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

[jjgp1112]

We don't want to import the Japanese sets either - hence, being angry that these ones are crap comparatively. You settled, many of us won't. We have higher standards. Some people like Skim Milk, and people like me can't drink anything less than 2%. That's life.

It has nothing to do with standards. I enjoyed it for what it is.

Uh, yes it is. You enjoyed it because you don't really care if the show has 20% of every frame cut off or the frames bleed into each other. Other people do. Different standards.

stand·ard /ˈstændərd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[stan-derd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. something considered by an authority or by general consent as a basis of comparison; an approved model.
2. an object that is regarded as the usual or most common size or form of its kind: We stock the deluxe models as well as the standards.
3. a rule or principle that is used as a basis for judgment: They tried to establish standards for a new philosophical approach.
4. an average or normal requirement, quality, quantity, level, grade, etc.: His work this week hasn't been up to his usual standard.
5. standards, those morals, ethics, habits, etc., established by authority, custom, or an individual as acceptable: He tried to live up to his father's standards.
6. a grade of beef immediately below good.
7. the authorized exemplar of a unit of weight or measure.
8. a certain commodity in or by which a basic monetary unit is stated. Compare gold standard, silver standard, bimetallism, monometallism.
9. the legally established content of full-weight coins.
10. the prescribed degree of fineness for gold or silver.
11. British. a class or grade in elementary schools.
12. a musical piece of sufficiently enduring popularity to be made part of a permanent repertoire, esp. a popular song.
13. a flag indicating the presence of a sovereign or public official.
14. a flag, emblematic figure, or other object raised on a pole to indicate the rallying point of an army, fleet, etc.
15. Military.
a. any of various military or naval flags.
b. the colors of a mounted unit.
c. (initial capital letter) a U.S. Navy radar-guided surface-to-air missile with a range of 10–30 miles (16–48 km).
16. Heraldry. a long, tapering flag or ensign, as of a monarch or a nation.
17. something that stands or is placed upright.
18. a long candlestick or candelabrum used in a church.
19. an upright support or supporting part.
20. Armor. a standing collar of mail.
21. Horticulture. a plant trained or grafted to have a single, erect, treelike stem.
22. Botany. a distinct petal, larger than the rest, of certain flowers; a vexillum.
–adjective
23. serving as a basis of weight, measure, value, comparison, or judgment.
24. of recognized excellence or established authority: a standard reference on medieval history.
25. usual, common, or customary: Chairs are standard furniture in American households.
26. manual; not electric or automatic: standard transmission.
27. conforming in pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, etc., to the usage of most educated native speakers, esp. those having prestige, and widely considered acceptable or correct: Standard American English; standard pronunciation. Compare nonstandard (def. 2).
28. authorized or approved: The program was broadcast on the standard broadcast band.

These sets aren't even up to half the standard as the Japanese release. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

The complaint about the letterbox is really just a reason to bitch about it. Nothing really improtan gets cropped out. Who cares if you can't see Goku's halo a few times? And just like I said - enjoy it for what it is, instead of complaining about it.

[Duo]

The complaint about the letterbox is really just a reason to bitch about it. Nothing really improtan gets cropped out. Who cares if you can't see Goku's halo a few times? And just like I said - enjoy it for what it is, instead of complaining about it.

So because you don't care about that 20% of every frame, we should just adhere to your standard and agree and enjoy it?

Stop being arrogant.

[jjgp1112]

The complaint about the letterbox is really just a reason to bitch about it. Nothing really improtan gets cropped out. Who cares if you can't see Goku's halo a few times? And just like I said - enjoy it for what it is, instead of complaining about it.

So because you don't care about that 20% of every frame, we should just adhere to your standard and agree and enjoy it?

Stop being arrogant.

Dude, it's just the top and bottom parts? Please, tell me how the fuck can a couple bits of footage getting cropped out can get in the way. What I'm saying is, instead of finding reasons to complain, JUST ENJOY IT FOR WHAT IT IS. Don't compare it to some other set. Just enjoy it.

[Duo]

There's no reasoning with someone like you. Seriously, get over yourself. Why don't you try convincing the Star Wars fans that they should have "just enjoyed" the DVD's of the past instead of petitioning enough to get a new, better release that included the original theatrical versions? I guess they SHOULD HAVE JUST ACCEPTED IT TOO. Oh wait! They got a better release because they cared.

GO F@#$ING FIGURE.

[jjgp1112]

There's no reasoning with someone like you. Seriously, get over yourself. Why don't you try convincing the Star Wars fans that they should have "just enjoyed" the DVD's of the past instead of petitioning enough to get a new, better release that included the original theatrical versions? I guess they SHOULD HAVE JUST ACCEPTED IT TOO. Oh wait! They got a better release because they cared.

GO F@#$ING FIGURE.

It'd be easier to enjoy something instead of complaining. Please, stop comparing it to something and enjoy it for what it is.

[Conan the SSJ]

It'd be easier to enjoy something instead of complaining. Please, stop comparing it to something and enjoy it for what it is.

Why can't we compare it to other releases? This isn't your message board, we can talk of this set anyway we want. Also, how can we all enjoy it for what it is when we lose considerable portions of each episode, not just in the cropping of footage that was animated to be seen as part of the story, but the very noticeable detail loss when we know there are better legit products out there? In attempting to get rid of all the grain and make the colors look as "modern" as possible, precious amounts of detail are lost, leaving us to view the episodes in a style where characters' noses, navels, faces in distant shots, and outlines among other things are erased into oblivion. As SaiyamanMS also pointed out, moments in the Saiyan battle look horrid; certain things look just awful cropped and it's very easy to notice. Therefore, especially comparing it to releases FUNi's already given us in the singles, it's impossible for most of us to enjoy this. I'm even still pondering if I should get Season 2, the FUNi singles are much better quality than this "Remastering", at least there we're getting a proximity of how the episodes were meant to be seen. You can't just tell us to enjoy something that's literally impossible to enjoy, because of all the reasons already stated. Stop bitching about our negative comments and honest feelings; if you have a problem, go to GameFaqs and don't let the door hit ya' in the ass.

[ect5150]

Really, this thread is really just a way for all of you to complain about the set. I have two DVD players and two TV's in my room, and I watched both the original DVD's and the sets at the same time. There's a huge improvement, trust me. No grain, and I changed my video settings, so the colors are how they supposed to be: unsaturated, not too bright, or anything. It looks just like the JPN masters. And that Freeza pic looks shopped because the letterbox doesn't take up that much footage. And why can't you appreciate the set for what it is. I bought both sets, and enjoyed them. Am I a bad fan for that?

(emphasis mine)

I'm assuming with that in your statement you also have some DragonBox discs. For every person that has stated they own them, I can't recall a single person even coming close to claiming they look the same.

Maybe you're the first or I can't remember other's comments, but I'll have to say they don't come close to the DBox stuff (which are from the JPN masters). If someone else thinks so, I'd be interested in hearing.

[balrog]

Split-second little glitches (not the head being cut off, the other two). Get a picture of a regular shot and then compare it. But wait, you can't, because no one would actually bother to compare something that would be non-slanderous!

Tell me desire, have you ever actually watched anything from the box sets? Or have you just looked at pictures that people have posted?

Uh -wha? Bwa? Do you have the attention span of a goldfish?

They're not "one second glitches", they're indicative of the whole product. Some errors are just single frame problems: like the damaged frames and tears, but the above referenced ones are not.

Have you actually watched the boxsets? They're really bad. Besides the obvious cropping, all the colours are darkened, blurred, then washed out.

Noone is saying that you'd be a "bad fan" if you bought the sets (well, one guy is, but he's the exception), we just can't recommend the sets to anyone. I bought the season one set because I wanted the subs. Period. I've got the second season on the way, and I'll get the third season too.Just for the subs.

I can't even watch the season set I have. I haven't seen the episodes in Dragonbox quality myself, but from the screenshots I've seen the old UUE releases are substantially lesser quality. I can watch the UUE episodes, I can see the flaws, but they don't ruin the show. The season one boxset, however, is absolutely terrible. I can't watch it. I can't watch it. It's so ugly it hurts me. Wash-outs, rips, bad colours, worse crops - it's just painful to watch.

And from what I've seen of the season two set, it gets worse.

Red text is what you apparently failed to read, while the rest you just failed to understand.

Have you ever actually watched anything from the box sets?

That was about a month ago lol. I don't remember who posts what, especially from that long ago.

I own both season box sets, and have seen every episode on both of them. I noticed a few little ugly shots here and there, but nothing that actually bothered me. Besides those split second little things, I didn't notice anything wrong about it. I can't tell what you're seeing, sorry.

Again, find a non-slanderous comparison and post it.

[jjgp1112]

I'm assuming with that in your statement you also have some DragonBox discs. For every person that has stated they own them, I can't recall a single person even coming close to claiming they look the same.

Maybe you're the first or I can't remember other's comments, but I'll have to say they don't come close to the DBox stuff (which are from the JPN masters). If someone else thinks so, I'd be interested in hearing.

I'm talking about if you change the settings. It'll look the japanese masters with these settings

Brightness: 100
Contrast: 60
Color: 50
Sharpness: 80
Tint: 50

And just like balrog said, I didn't really notice any problems besides the occasional ugly shot or split-second things.

[SatoSky]

That's about the dumbest advice you could give someone without mentioning what type of TV you own, what kind of DVD player, how it's connected etc, etc.

The truth is, these sets look like crap visually and are crap when it comes to packaging. The only thing that was done correctly was the promotion, great job on luring in the idiots FUNi. I mean my God (if I actually believed in one) the Spanish DVD's look way better than these. If you want proof, put up some screen caps, in lossless PNG format, uncropped, unaltered of anything from episodes 25-40. I'll put up the Spanish screen caps. (Oh and give me approximate time codes to make it easier.)

Do I think that you're a bad fan because you buy these awful pieces of trash? No. Of course not. Buy whatever the hell you want, but do not say that these rival the Japanese DVD's, in any way, shape or form. You are wrong!

No offense to the people who bought the sets, just to the ones who defend it blindly.

[jjgp1112]

That's about the dumbest advice you could give someone without mentioning what type of TV you own, what kind of DVD player, how it's connected etc, etc.

The truth is, these sets look like crap visually and are crap when it comes to packaging. The only thing that was done correctly was the promotion, great job on luring in the idiots FUNi. I mean my God (if I actually believed in one) the Spanish DVD's look way better than these. If you want proof, put up some screen caps, in lossless PNG format, uncropped, unaltered of anything from episodes 25-40. I'll put up the Spanish screen caps. (Oh and give me approximate time codes to make it easier.)

Do I think that you're a bad fan because you buy these awful pieces of trash? No. Of course not. Buy whatever the hell you want, but do not say that these rival the Japanese DVD's, in any way, shape or form. You are wrong!

No offense to the people who bought the sets, just to the ones who defend it blindly.

I watched the eps. on my 360 on an RCA tv. If you have the settings like mine, the colors will be right. Piccolo's skin, for example, looks forest green if you have my settings on, which is how he looks like on the JPN masters. Just adjust your TV to those settings and tell me the result.

[ect5150]

I'm talking about if you change the settings. It'll look the japanese masters with these settings

Brightness: 100
Contrast: 60
Color: 50
Sharpness: 80
Tint: 50

And just like balrog said, I didn't really notice any problems besides the occasional ugly shot or split-second things.

I can't get it to look the same without washing something out.

Here are two pics I selected. Somewhat random, but I made sure there was no damage or nothing of great significance in the cropping, no great 'bleeching' or MPEG artifacts (some scenes on FUNIs release are riddled with them), but most important its a scene where the two versions dont vary drastically like all other examples posted.

If someone can get the greens, pink and browns to match, I'd actually like to see it (just for viewing purposes)

But we can't just say "set contrast to 60" ... settings per TV are different for each TV.

The big problem with the picture difference is the brown got a tad 'yellower', the green got darker while the pink got brighter.



The only other thing I'll note is that when I got some DBox singles and watching it, the split second-things are you call them appear (either tears or just dirt in general) actually occur quite frequently. I guess I didn't notice with the original FUNI singles, because they exist there as well. I only noticed when I was watching the DBox singles due to the lack of them there.

Sorry to get off topic from the subject.

[jjgp1112]

I'm talking about if you change the settings. It'll look the japanese masters with these settings

Brightness: 100
Contrast: 60
Color: 50
Sharpness: 80
Tint: 50

And just like balrog said, I didn't really notice any problems besides the occasional ugly shot or split-second things.

I can't get it to look the same without washing something out.

Here are two pics I selected. Somewhat random, but I made sure there was no damage or nothing of great significance in the cropping, no great 'bleeching' or MPEG artifacts (some scenes on FUNIs release are riddled with them), but most important its a scene where the two versions dont vary drastically like all other examples posted.

If someone can get the greens, pink and browns to match, I'd actually like to see it (just for viewing purposes)

But we can't just say "set contrast to 60" ... settings per TV are different for each TV.

The big problem with the picture difference is the brown got a tad 'yellower', the green got darker while the pink got brighter.



The only other thing I'll note is that when I got some DBox singles and watching it, the split second-things are you call them appear (either tears or just dirt in general) actually occur quite frequently. I guess I didn't notice with the original FUNI singles, because they exist there as well. I only noticed when I was watching the DBox singles due to the lack of them there.

Sorry to get off topic from the subject.

Do you have an RCA TV? And for the settings, I meant that they should be somewhere around those settings, depending on your TV. But all I know is that it looks way better with my settings, and a lot of the issues are unnoticable.

[ETC123]

Very simply put, the reason I cannot enjoy these sets, as you rail against, is that 20% of the picture is gone, the English dub does nothing to fix the fact that it's still a ridiculous, badly written script, and that they handed the already fine masters off to a company that obliterated details and once agian, had 20% removed for the sake of "HD".

If you were to go shot by shot and discover what was removed you'd probably find that sure, the ammount of shots that are greatly comprimised composition wise would be less than those that arent. However, the show was NEVER meant to be in 4:3. Masters for it EXIST in 4:3 in many, MANY formats. Hell, FUNimation had them themselves. OAR is a standard many people have been fighting for- just about every other Anime I own is in OAR, as are cartoons that I own, US TV series, films and whatever else. What is stopping them from putting out a 4:3, unmangled set?

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

Besides which, we all have a right to complain about what is offered to us because we are not being unreasonable. We've been at the short end of FUNimation's shit for YEARS and they haven't learned to be mature about it, so we let them know, till it makes a difference. We try to educate. The problem is, now, more than ever, is that people have ridiculous ammounts of money to support their own ignorance, ignorance which then becomes arrogance as their egos attach themselves to what they have. I saw it back when the Dragonboxes came out and FUNi were still doing singles, and I see it now when FUNi tried to release something 'better' and fell so hard on their arse, that it hurts.

But they didn't get punished for their mistakes, because they still made a christ load of money. not because they had a quality product, not because of attention to detail or taking too many 'risks' to appeal to the fans they screwed over these past ten years, no. Because too many people thought they'd look smart and cool, and more importantly, it was cheap. They appealed to a wide variety of people, and I can understand some people not caring- casual buyers, those who really aren't up to date with these things. However, the people who could make a difference, who do and can KNOW BETTER, refused to take action, bar maybe sixteen of us or so, from the last count.

My money will only go to a DBZ release that doesn't just meet my standards (which are NOT as draconian as anyone should think), but the average standards that generally all DVDs, TV series, movies, OAVs, STVs and whatever else, comply to, because there's no way in hell that it shouldn't be like that.

[Jerseymilk]

The complaint about the letterbox is really just a reason to bitch about it. Nothing really improtan gets cropped out. Who cares if you can't see Goku's halo a few times? And just like I said - enjoy it for what it is, instead of complaining about it.

So because you don't care about that 20% of every frame, we should just adhere to your standard and agree and enjoy it?

Stop being arrogant.

Dude, it's just the top and bottom parts? Please, tell me how the fuck can a couple bits of footage getting cropped out can get in the way. What I'm saying is, instead of finding reasons to complain, JUST ENJOY IT FOR WHAT IT IS. Don't compare it to some other set. Just enjoy it.

Then in that same vein, it shouldn't have been necessary for Funi to crop it in the first place.

Also, it's not even just about standards for some people here. It's about the disrespect Funi showed to fans by assuming we are all stupid, naive morons who wouldn't notice and/or care. I'm not giving money to a product that was falsely advertised. It's the principle of the thing.

[SatoSky]

Do you have an RCA TV? And for the settings, I meant that they should be somewhere around those settings, depending on your TV. But all I know is that it looks way better with my settings, and a lot of the issues are unnoticable.

I have to completely disagree with you. Not everyone has the same set up as you, so until you show me some side by side proof I say bullshit. Also, you seem to have completely ignored the other part of my post:

If you want proof, put up some screen caps, in lossless PNG format, uncropped, unaltered of anything from episodes 25-40. I'll put up the Spanish screen caps.

My money will only go to a DBZ release that doesn't just meet my standards (which are NOT as draconian as anyone should think), but the average standards that generally all DVDs, TV series, movies, OAVs, STVs and whatever else, comply to, because there's no way in hell that it shouldn't be like that.

I second that.

Also, ETC123 you made a mistake in your in the second paragraph of your post post:

However, the show was NEVER meant to be in 4:3.

[jjgp1112]

Do you have an RCA TV? And for the settings, I meant that they should be somewhere around those settings, depending on your TV. But all I know is that it looks way better with my settings, and a lot of the issues are unnoticable.

I have to completely disagree with you. Not everyone has the same set up as you, so until you show me some side by side proof I say bullshit. Also, you seem to have completely ignored the other part of my post:

If you want proof, put up some screen caps, in lossless PNG format, uncropped, unaltered of anything from episodes 25-40. I'll put up the Spanish screen caps.

My money will only go to a DBZ release that doesn't just meet my standards (which are NOT as draconian as anyone should think), but the average standards that generally all DVDs, TV series, movies, OAVs, STVs and whatever else, comply to, because there's no way in hell that it shouldn't be like that.

I second that.

Also, ETC123 you made a mistake in your in the second paragraph of your post post:

However, the show was NEVER meant to be in 4:3.

I don't have any of those screen capture devices.